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Proof that masturbation doesnt affect gains?

This topic has been done to death!But that’s just my opinion.

Originally Posted by avocet8

I can tell you this for sure: abstaining from ejaculating is not going to make your cock larger; it only leads to prostatic and seminal vesicle congestion.

I agree with this, but I think that the body needs time to recover because when you ejaculate your body goes through several chemical and physical changes which can diminish your results a little bit. The blood testosterone levels begin to drop and your penile connective tissues constrict as well.

Didn’t your mother tell you that masturbating will make you blind? :D

Bombazine! You DELETED PORN! - - - OH MY GOD!

Well heres my $.02 on the subject.

Masterbation does negatively effect gains. Probably not by much, maybe by as little as 5%.

When I was a noobie and jerked off after PE, my dick would hurt and retract like crazy afterwards (far beyond normal post-PE retraction). My pc muscle and entire cock would be slighlty sore. But I thought “oh well, westla has established many times masturbation does not affect gains.” After my cock was more conditioned, it didnt really hurt as much or retract as much as before. But it still felt…bad. Gave my cock the feeling over-training. Such is NOT the case however with edging where one does not ejaculate.

I suspect the less conditioned our cock is, the more masturbation will hurt your gains. Maybe after months and months of PE is wont affect it all.

One thing we can prove at this point is that it certainly does not help, so I not gonna risk precious gains.

P.S. Masturbation=sex. Your dick thinks your hand is a pussy. Cumming is cumming. Your dick doesn’t know the difference.

So, presuming that ejaculation negatively affects PE and one takes at least 24 hours to recover the testosterone, but that one should “use it or lose it” what would be a suggested PE-ejaculation schedule (LOL)?

Originally Posted by Artful Todger
So, presuming that ejaculation negatively affects PE and one takes at least 24 hours to recover the testosterone, but that one should “use it or lose it” what would be a suggested PE-ejaculation schedule (LOL)?

I like the PI strategy. Listen to your body, and don’t listen to some other guy’s body.

Repeat: Do ~not~ listen to some other guy’s body.

Some guys take a day or two to recover, some a few hours, some are back-to-back, and some can go a month without any sort of ejaculatory experience. I’ve seen guys on here make any of these claims. I personally have my own schedule that suits my body, but still allows me to obtain and maintain an erection for PE purposes and those rare days when I have sex. Yes, I schedule my masturbations around PE, based on how my body responds and the PIs involved, just as I schedule diet and drinking around my workout and work and play schedules. I even jelq after I masturbate, because I usually have a nice expansion during my post-ejac and the muscles are relaxed. Plus, I cannot go more than a couple of days without feeling uncomfortable. In the beginning of my PE journey, I abstained while edging and caused a prostate irritation that had me pissing glass for a couple of weeks. Plus, I found it more difficult to get erections for PE, since my body was pissed off that I wasn’t finishing. It picked up on the fact that this was going to be a tease and shut down on me.

My body does ~not~ like to abstain. My body needs the finish, and abstaination would shut me down completely.

Anyway, if you can get a full erection when you need it for PE work (or sex), and you are happy with your staying power, and you’re not sexually uncomfortable or frustrated, then the other stuff nulls into mootness.

It’s all about the PIs.

- Saul

Never seen any proof of a correlation between masturbation and lack of gains.


Began December 2009 at 5 7/8" length and 5" girth.

As of December 5th 2012 7 3/8" BPEL and 6 1/8" base girth.

Going for the magic 8"x6"

Little PE experiment:

Refrain from ejaculation for a period of time…whatever you can pull; I’d recommend 2 weeks as a reasonably easy minimum mark to meet, but more would be more demonstrative; then do whatever pumping routine you have that yields your maximum BPELIT (Bone Pressed Erect Length In Tube)…then jack off…then repeat the same pumping routine and see what BPELIT you can achieve. Try it again in a day, then two…suggest you stop after that; the data will be in by then. See what your data shows you.

I already know what it’ll show you, but I know you clam jammers need to see for your self.

The hardest part of the this particular truth is overcoming the organismal instinct to avoid inquiry into that which which makes our organism feel good.

I encourage you to seek truth.

Rather than seeking feeling good.

Cuz’ knowledge of truth feels waaaaay better than ignorance of it…or jacking off.

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

It seems like either you refrain from masturbating and risk prostate issues, or masturbate and endanger your gains.

I went the masturbation-free route for 7 months. Worked great for the first 4, but EQ was horrible (couldn’t get past 30% erection at all) for the last 3. It felt as if blood was leaving my penis faster than entering, and not sealing off the exit path. Also, urinating and ejaculating felt impeded, as if they were going through a tiny opening. It was quite unsatisfying.

It took me a while to get back to normal EQ, so I am trying the jelqing + masturbation route for the next few months, and I’ll see how that goes. I would rather endanger gains to ensure EQ is at it’s best, rather than risk irreversible prostate damage. I also don’t see masturbation completely shutting down gains, but I’ll see firsthand.

My advice would be to stick to what you are more comfortable with. I did my research, and combined with my personal experiences to reach my own conclusions. If masturbating hinders gains by 10% or whatever the number may be, so be it. Whatever it takes to keep the walnut happy.


Problem solving with fire.

It’s my understanding that one has to release on a regular basis to maintain function.

I’m heading for 57 this year and I’m not risking problems .


Began December 2009 at 5 7/8" length and 5" girth.

As of December 5th 2012 7 3/8" BPEL and 6 1/8" base girth.

Going for the magic 8"x6"

Originally Posted by a-unit
It’s my understanding that one has to release on a regular basis to maintain function.

I’m heading for 57 this year and I’m not risking problems .

Uncle.nasty’s ramblings
I was under the impression that my body constantly produced semen and seminal fluid at a steady rate, and the stuff that reached its “use by date” if unused was ejected in one of various ways, like in young men, wet dreams later voided with urine or masturbation. There’s no room for old sperm in the reproductive system.
There are some old books reproduced around the internet (Gutenburg I think has some) that tell of the dangers and undesirability of wanking, they were mostly written in the early 1800s by religious fanatics extolling the virtues of celibacy. I think a lot of modern attitude towards masturbation is a hangover from this ancient perversion.

Originally Posted by Uncle.nasty
Uncle.nasty’s ramblings
I was under the impression that my body constantly produced semen and seminal fluid at a steady rate, and the stuff that reached its “use by date” if unused was ejected in one of various ways, like in young men, wet dreams later voided with urine or masturbation. There’s no room for old sperm in the reproductive system.
There are some old books reproduced around the internet (Gutenburg I think has some) that tell of the dangers and undesirability of wanking, they were mostly written in the early 1800s by religious fanatics extolling the virtues of celibacy. I think a lot of modern attitude towards masturbation is a hangover from this ancient perversion.

Nihilistic religious dogma.


Began December 2009 at 5 7/8" length and 5" girth.

As of December 5th 2012 7 3/8" BPEL and 6 1/8" base girth.

Going for the magic 8"x6"

Ah yes, I also recall reading somewhere that unused sperm etc is pissed away if not used entertainingly.

I think I will cut down a little but keep at it.

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