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Proof that masturbation doesnt affect gains?

Originally Posted by westla90069
Is my sig that important here? Is my opinion, that of someone who hasn’t done active PE exercises since the summer of 2003, so important that a few words at the bottom of my post take on this much significance? I certainly don’t want to mislead anyone into thinking they can just jack off whenever they want. I want to make sure they think about it in light of all the “facts” and not just “opinions.”

I’m turning off the sig and the avatar for the time being. I may turn myself off (as Thunder did recently) soon, too.

West,

Who gives a fuck what they think of your avatar and sig. You like them, I like them, most of the people of this forum that count like them…so you should keep them. Neither one of them were against the Forum Guidelines and anyone that has a problem with them can plant a proverbial kiss on my behind. :D

You better not leave this forum! You can’t spell “Thundersplace” without “Westla90069”. (Why couldn’t you pick a username like “ersplace” or something along those lines so I make sense?) ;)

Anyways, if you leave, you won’t know what I’m talking about at Thanksgiving when talking about current T’s-Place events. :)

Originally Posted by xenolith
My comments were specific to westla’s statement in his signature regarding masturbation and gains. No applicability to “everthing(sic) on here” was made or implied.

Well he isn’t gong to put SOMEBODY ELSE’S opinion in HIS signature. It isn’t solely his opinion either. A majority of the vets (those that know what they are talking about 90% or more of the time) agree with HIS opinion. He takes a lot of crap because he has stepped forward as the posterchild of “Masturbation does NOT affect gains”, just so he can make it easier on us other vets. Sort of like a lightning rod absorbing the criticism of many. It truly is a great sacrifice that goes unappreciated by some newcomers. I consider him a brother/father figure, and am lucky to have that.

Originally Posted by Hog7.5
It is his opinion…


The point that I’ve tried to make, apparently rather unsuccessfully, is that the statement in westla’s signature, without some indication that it is an opinion, reads as if it were a fact, when, as you’ve clearly pointed out, and westla has acknowledged, it is his opinion.

Originally Posted by Hog7.5
I think nothing about PE has been proven scientifically, one of the very reasons for this forum existence. All the data about results -or lack of them- are anecdotal.


Absolutely right IMO. And exactly why representing something that we don’t know as fact (or, to use your words, proven scientifically) is, IMO, a bad idea.

I, like westla, am concerned with the impressions that newbies get about PE when first encountering it. I think we that have learned some things about PE have a responsibility to share what we’ve learned with them. I don’t see that responsibility going so far as to mislead them by presenting the opinion (of a very worthy of respect individual) as fact. As I’ve indicated, I think we should tell them the truth.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xlmagnum
Well he isn’t gong to put SOMEBODY ELSE’S opinion in HIS signature.


I really don’t understand why my point is so difficult to understand. Here it is again, I hope you get it this time XL:

Originally Posted by xenolith
The point that I’ve tried to make, apparently rather unsuccessfully, is that the statement in westla’s signature, without some indication that it is an opinion, reads as if it were a fact, when, as you’ve clearly pointed out, and westla has acknowledged, it is his opinion.


I’ve stated my opinion on this subject several times now as clearly as I can. I’m not interested in repeating myself further, even for the sake of clearing up confusion. Please accept my apologies if I don’t respond to further counter-opinions to mine on this subject.

One more thing though, lest something other than what I intended to convey be understood, let me add this:

I value the heck out of westla. Always have. Let there be no misunderstanding about that.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith
Welcome to Thunder’s Place, novi.

I didn’t refer to a study.

Thanks for the welcome.

Ooops, you didn’t strictly refer to a study.sorry.

The previous discussion was referencing a survey. The survey is very informative, and not poorly done. This whole area of PE is fascinating to me, especially since the medical community claims it is impossible. There are few things that I can say are probably true:

1. Masturbation (as typically enjoyed) will not enlarge your penis.
2. Hundreds of men are probably not making up bogus stories of their gains, and then posting photoshop enhanced photos of themselves. There may be something to this.

Beyond that, I am entering into this with an open mind. I hope I don’t get a year into this and find that the “jokes on me” and PE is really NOT possible :-)

Originally Posted by xenolith
I really don’t understand why my point is so difficult to understand. Here it is again, I hope you get it this time XL:

No, I read it right the first time. That first line was an attempt at heavy sarcasm. Obviously not heavy enough because it flew over your head. :)

Originally Posted by xenolith
I value the heck out of westla. Always have. Let there be no misunderstanding about that.

I am glad to hear that. He more than likely feels the same way about you.

People try to make scientific sense out of PE. I know why they do it, but the whole point of simplifying the phrase down to “Masturbation does NOT affect gains” is so newbies know that worrying about masturbation isn’t a factor in whether or not they’ll see gains. If you write a whole schpeel about why it doesn’t, they start to worry about it more, as if they NEED convincing.

Originally Posted by novi
Thanks for the welcome.

Ooops, you didn’t strictly refer to a study.sorry.

The previous discussion was referencing a survey. The survey is very informative, and not poorly done. This whole area of PE is fascinating to me, especially since the medical community claims it is impossible. There are few things that I can say are probably true:

1. Masturbation (as typically enjoyed) will not enlarge your penis.
2. Hundreds of men are probably not making up bogus stories of their gains, and then posting photoshop enhanced photos of themselves. There may be something to this.

Beyond that, I am entering into this with an open mind. I hope I don’t get a year into this and find that the “jokes on me” and PE is really NOT possible :-)

A little welcoming comitte present for you novi: Take pictures. In a year you can either burn them while crying about the “jokes on me” or you can cry tears of joy when you compare what you’ve got with what you had.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by Hog7.5
:-k


Hopefully, this explains…

Originally Posted by xlmagnum
No, I read it right the first time. That first line was an attempt at heavy sarcasm. Obviously not heavy enough because it flew over your head. :)


It did. I’m REALLY slow with sarcasm. I’m misunderstood enough without guys faking it :)


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith
I’m misunderstood enough without guys faking it :)

All wrong again. Guys don’t fake it….girls do. :D

Originally Posted by xlmagnum

Guys don’t fake it….girls do. :D

Not mine brother :D


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith
Not mine brother :D

So you think. They won’t tell you, until after you’re done dating.

Originally Posted by xlmagnum
So you think. They won’t tell you, until after you’re done dating.


Sorry to hear that XL. All my girl tells me is my penis is getting bigger and bigger and bigger and …

I guess I better start jacking off more :D

How’s that for a seguay back to the thread topic?


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith
Sorry to hear that XL. All my girl tells me is my penis is getting bigger and bigger and bigger and …

I guess I better start jacking off more :D

How’s that for a seguay back to the thread topic?

No girl has ever told me that they faked it, but I was told by another girl that I never slept with that most girls have done it. Statistically, most guys will have it done to them unbeknownst to them.

When I gained the most (in the beginning), I was having sex EVERY evening for about one hour, And I always ejaculated once or twice.

I actually think that it helped in the gaining process, Having an erection for one hour every evening that is, Not the ejaculation part.

I am not 100% sure about it, But it felt like it was helping.

Here is a theory that might work:

1. Do your PE excersices, So that you get a bigger than normal penis size.

2. Have sex or masturbate for one hour, So that you “cement” that bigger than normal size.

You could also use viagra or cialis to keep the erection at 110%, What do you think?

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