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Promoting cell growth-division

Promoting cell growth-division

Hi I was also wondering if there are any special ways of promoting cell growth or division (not sure which one is best or if they are both the same)
I heard zinc and copper do but because I wear the Penimaster for about 8hours a day I was thinking anything that will aid cell growth will make it
Work a lot better and faster.

Any help would be appreciated


You'll split her in two?........I've seen more Girth on a HB pencil........

Intracavernosal injections of IGF1-LR3 (Insulin-like Growth Factor Long R3) would definitely help.

Ok.. Well good to know but how on earth do you know that?

And also how much of an effect would it have?


You'll split her in two?........I've seen more Girth on a HB pencil........

Because several people (including myself) have been experimenting with it. Unfortunately I only have done 2 injections so far, due to a business trip that will put me off until mid to late august.

As well, if you do a simple search on the effect of IGF1 on smooth muscle proliferation, you’ll find a research paper talking about it’s effect on rat cavernous smooth muscle tissue and how it promoted proliferation.

Here is a great article that discusses smooth muscle growth. It states that vascular smooth muscle growth can be stimulated by 3 distinct processes.
1. Development
2. Injury
3. Remodeling (Increased blood flow (pressure.)

As far as number 3 goes, this response can be observed when the cardiac vascular system reroutes itself (natural bypass) due to blockages.
This may explain why jelqing/clamping is effective. It’s possible the increase pressure we create stimulates the natural growth.
I highly recommend reading this. http://physrev.physiology.org/cgi/c…l/81/3/999#SEC2
It discusses IGF-1 and is very informative.


Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal: my strength lies solely in my tenacity.

Louis Pasteur

I’ll read up on the article later, but so far as I know ‘vascular’ smooth muscle is all together different than cavernous smooth muscle, I might be wrong though. I know, as do many others on these boards, that growth is a by product of the inflammatory response ( IPR, inflammation, proliferation, and remodeling), so far as the inflammation is with the ‘gain zone’. Too much inflammation/stress and you pass this zone and enter the fibrosis zone (a.k.a. over training, where gains come to a halt).

This is a good read on the inflammatory process (it’s very general though).

http://www.humankinetics.com/therap…/IG/chpt_03.htm

Thanks, I will take a look at that article.

I believe vascular smooth muscle cells are the underlying components of cavernous smooth muscle (I could also be wrong.)
But, I think the term “cavernous” is more of a physiological descriptor rather than a structural component. See the link below.

http://www.nature.com/ijir/journal/…l/3900915a.html

There was much discussion about this in the thread IPR the sky is the limit? but no real consensus.

I think the future of PE will be very much chemically based. The injection trails and treatments for ED will no doubt pave and pioneer the way.
If we only understood what triggers the growth response we would make huge strides why this works and how thwart the slowing and cessation of gains.


Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal: my strength lies solely in my tenacity.

Louis Pasteur

I’d like to think there is so much potential through chemicals, but look how lackluster the results, or at least reports of results, of ‘chem PE’ have been so far among the members doing it on this board.

Originally Posted by Iguana

I think the future of PE will be very much chemically based. The injection trails and treatments for ED will no doubt pave and pioneer the way.
If we only understood what triggers the growth response we would make huge strides why this works and how thwart the slowing and cessation of gains.

I agree. I mean what else can you ‘invent’ in PE field? Newbies always look for ‘new techniques’ thinking that it makes any big difference. But frankly-what is the difference if you pull your dick with left hand or with right hand with you finger in you a.. ? :) After two years of PE I come to conclusion that it is not about the technique but about the process that technique starts. You can use whatever technique you want as far as it works.

I have done hundreds of exercises and it is hard for me to imagine that if I grab be dick in any different way than before and pull it/stretch it it will make any significant difference…

I also look for progress in ‘chemical field’ as I think this can speed up process that we want to induce while PE ing.

Originally Posted by vkn1
I’d like to think there is so much potential through chemicals, but look how lackluster the results, or at least reports of results, of ‘chem PE’ have been so far among the members doing it on this board.

Very true, but I believe we are in the infantile stages of chemical PE. And, besides that, virtually all chemical based efforts so far (with the exception of the autonomous pioneers on boards like this and a few clinics in Canada) are targeted toward ED treatments, not enlargement. I think if some actual research scientist/physicians and pharmaceutical companies got behind chemical PE we would start seeing some major strides. Or it may be some adventuresome guy who’s three fries short of a Happy Meal who lucks up and injects himself with the right combination. I don’t think the latter is as likely, I think you have to really understand the biology of the penis to successfully alter it.

I mean, there has to be a way to chemically weaken the tunica. There has to be a drug that would act as a catalyst for growth for smooth muscle. We have already determined that conditioning results from biochemical and physiological responses to stress on the body. There has to be a way to prevent or reverse these responses. And there is a huge incentive for someone to find the answers. $$$$$

I think we will only get so far with “natural”, manual PE. I think we are limited in our ability to continue increasing stress loads or to have the luxury of the time commitment. I mean how many of us can actually hang 4-5 hours a day?

If I were a betting man I would be 5-10 years down the road you will be able to go to your urologist and start your enlargement treatments.
They will be very expensive, but unlike the ones currently being done, they will be very effective.

The man who finds the magic potion will be laughing all the way to the bank!!!


Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal: my strength lies solely in my tenacity.

Louis Pasteur

I’m gonna have to call bullshit on the igf thing.

I’ve been doing igf, mgf,and a few other peptides for quite a few years.

I’ve done high doses, low doses, site injections, daily injections, eod injections, post workout injections, pretty much you name it, I’ve done it with the igf and mgf… . . Except dick injections.

Here’s why:

Igf is systemic, so it doesnt matter where you shoot it, it will attach to every receptor in you.

So basically, if you inject your nose, your bicept will grow just as much. If you inject your dick, your big toe will receive it also. If you shoved it up your ass, your calves will get just as much.

So basically you can inject igf anywhere and it will not grow your dick.

Mgf is more localized than igf, but I’ve yet to hear of anyone injecting their cock with it.

It would make more sense that mgf would possibly do what you’ve stated because it is known to slightly (ever so slightly) stretch the fascia surrounding the injected muscle, as well as produce more muscular cells in that area.

Thus causing the debate in which I’m stating here because the cavernosa isnt a muscle, it’s a chamber that collects blood cells to promote erections. Granted there is a fascia of sorts surrounding the cavernosa, so that may indeed receive a stretch, I have no proof on whether it does or not, but igf is not going to do anything except add puncture wounds to your dingding.

If you want to experiment like this, by all means have a blast, but I’d look more into the mgf if I was you.

Originally Posted by pocopeepee
I’m gonna have to call bullshit on the igf thing.
I’ve been doing igf, mgf,and a few other peptides for quite a few years.
I’ve done high doses, low doses, site injections, daily injections, eod injections, post workout injections, pretty much you name it, I’ve done it with the igf and mgf… . . Except dick injections.
Here’s why:
Igf is systemic, so it doesnt matter where you shoot it, it will attach to every receptor in you.
So basically, if you inject your nose, your bicept will grow just as much. If you inject your dick, your big toe will receive it also. If you shoved it up your ass, your calves will get just as much.
So basically you can inject igf anywhere and it will not grow your dick.
Mgf is more localized than igf, but I’ve yet to hear of anyone injecting their cock with it.
It would make more sense that mgf would possibly do what you’ve stated because it is known to slightly (ever so slightly) stretch the fascia surrounding the injected muscle, as well as produce more muscular cells in that area.
Thus causing the debate in which I’m stating here because the cavernosa isnt a muscle, it’s a chamber that collects blood cells to promote erections. Granted there is a fascia of sorts surrounding the cavernosa, so that may indeed receive a stretch, I have no proof on whether it does or not, but igf is not going to do anything except add puncture wounds to your dingding.
If you want to experiment like this, by all means have a blast, but I’d look more into the mgf if I was you.

hmm, that’s premature of you to say. I agree that IGF1-LR3 injections are systematic. I’d also agree with you that systematic absorption of IGF1 wouldn’t have much of an effect on cavernous proliferation. However, “whatever IGF1 touches, grows”. That’s basically the layman’s terms of Insulin-like Growth Factor’s functionality. If IGF1 is injected intracavernosally, it would be flushed out of the penis and systematically absorbed rather quickly, (matter of minutes), and your perspective would hold true. But combined with PGE1, (or any correct medically titrated Quadmix), the effects would be very much local, as the veno-occlusion triggered by these vaso-dialaters, will trap the blood, along with the peptide, in the cavernous chambers.

I haven’t yet done such injections to report any gains from it, but my theorectical understanding of the mechanisms of this peptide, as well as existing research regarding it’s effects of rat cavernous smooth muscle proliferation, obliges me to not so rapidly call ‘bullshit on the igf thing’. I know of many people who have already gained from it, including our own Stageshop who started his chemical PE thread here on thunder’s.

Also, the Corporus Cavernosa is not, contrary to what you states, just a chamber, and is in fact comprsied of smooth muscle, the relaxation of which dilates the arteries causing engorgement, which in turn triggers the veno-occlusive function to kick in and trap blood in.

Apologies on the late reply.

Vkay

http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20110263498

Dr. Adams the Penis Enlargement Patent Holder put out another Patent that pertains directly to this post:

Abstract:

A pharmaceutical composition for enhancing male erectile function comprising an erectile function-enhancing amount of an insulin-like growth factor selected from the group consisting of IGF-1 (Somatmedin-C) and analogue LR3 IGF1 in admixture with a pharmaceutically-acceptable diluents or carrier. Such compositions optionally further comprise compounds selected from an androgen, particularly, testosterone and dihydrotestosterone, a vasodilator, PDE5 inhibitor and prostaglandin E1.

Hit that link to read on…

Inuic

You still promoting that snake-oil seller Inuic? Where are the pics of your gains that you promised?

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