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Bib,
From your observations would you suggest that I stretch or hang at angles below 9:00 to hit the ligs most effectively? Most of my hanging and stretching to date has been at the 9 to 10:30 angle with just a little at about 8:00. I might actually have more lig gain left to go than I thought!!

Bib sorry to ask this again, but…

My LOT is roughly at 9:00 - i.e., it’s there but very weak. I have experienced no gains - perhaps 0.25” in girth. My erection angle is between 10 and 11 O’Clock. My stats are 6 * 4.75. I’ve experimented - with little consistency - in hanging, jelqing, and power-jelqing. Would you say 2” of length is an unrealistic goal and what exercises should I emphasise in my workouts? Cheers Bib.

Good_Knight,

Obviously I’m not Bib, but IMO “little consistency” is the primary reason you haven’t gained yet. You should focus on downward hanging or stretching. If you hang, work into BTC and spend plenty of time there.

With a 9:00 LOT you probably can make good gains from lig stretch. Don’t be surprised if you see relatively rapid results from lig stretch, then hit a slower grind when you switch over to primarily lengthening the shaft.

If I were you I’d hang downward until the LOT dropped to 7:00ish, then focus on outward and upward. Be interesting to see if that will then bring the LOT back up some. If it does you’d want to stretch ligs again.

O.K. Then if I’m getting this, and thankyou for your patience, Lately, intuitively almost, while I stretch straight down I noticed that I lean over, thus creating less of an angle then I would think, so I now purposely sit in a chair that has “empty space underneath it so that I can pull my penis down and back toward the wall behind me. Would that be considered what you mean by “lower angle?” An angle that is like pulling 6 oclock? I mainly manual stretch due to privacy issues but would you suggest hanging during the few days a week that I might be able too? Do you have suggested routine for my personal situation?

Also, from now on if someone has a bigger penis then me, I’ll just say “that means I have tougher ligs!”

puff

bib,

Dammit, I was in the middle of a 12 page essay reply to this when AOL kicked me off and now I have no fucking clue what I was ranting on about.

Your effective use of common sense always impresses me.

The easiest way to gain is to stretch ligs and pull out the inner penis, but there is only so much that can be gained from this, especially if the ligs are long to begin with. So now we have this test to see if the ligs are long or not and if they are, we stretch them by hanging down, but if they are not we stretch tunica by hanging up.

So for me its tunica time. But I think perhaps I should hang BTC for a while longer to cement the gain I had, since this is the angle I got it with. This make sense?

Also on a slightly related topic, can you hang for multiple hours with tunica stretching as you can with ligs? Because with girth routines which also stretch tunica more rest days are needed right?

Good goin
SS4

Is working to a low LOT a one time deal? Does LOT stay low once the ligs have been lengthened, or will it rise again as base size increases from working the tunica and/or doing girth-specific exercises? Added size at the base may re-tension previously loosened ligs, turning this into a game of see-saw.

Lose tug at the 9 o’clock
Slight tug starts at the 10 o’clock
Major pull back at 12

PE’ing off and on for 4 years but only have possibly a full 2.5 months work total out of that.

Started:

EBPL: 5.5
EG: 4.5

Now:

EBPL: 6.5
EG: 5.5

Erect positioned at the 11 o’clock

Techniques:

Sqeezes
Downward wet jelq
down, right, left hand stretch
Uli’s
Horse 440

Now concentrate on strickly jelq, manual stretch, squeeze and semi-erect bends. Has landed me 4/8” EG in the past two weeks.

Note:
Beginning length and girth is off a bit since I’ve been playing around with pe for years (nothing solid) and don’t really know what my starting size was. EBPL possibly 5 6/8, EG possibly 4 6/8. I just rounded it off, sorry for the confusion.

This is very interesting.

Basically, someone with a low LOT should work on their tunica and someone with a higher LOT should focus their ligs. Is that right?

Looks like I should be doing more “A” stretches.

Was also curious about this.

Wow, a little bit of interest in this.

I have had a tough time replying because my computer keeps rebooting on it’s own.

One thing I would like to point out right away, and I hope everyone understands is this: When you have extremely low LOT, say 7 or below, then there is really no sense in hanging or stretching at a very low angle. In fact, you DO NOT want the ligs to take ANY stress. This is because it will do absolutely no good. If the ligs are already long enough, for your current length, to allow tugback at that low of an angle, there is no more inner penis to reveal, and stress at low angles will only take away stress from the tunica. You might as well go rollerskating as your PE routine.

Of course, it would not hurt for you to check your LOT from time to time.

RB,

>I just assumed a hanger would work similarly to my grabbing a length of flexible rubber hose in a tight grip and the other end tied to a fixed object, then pulling. It would seem the majority of stress and stretch would be on the exposed hose, not the portion in my grip… <

At what point where your hand contacts the hose, the point of friction, is there no more force in the other direction? IOW, is it just the very last few molecules of your hand? No, it is the entire hand. BTW, if you pull that tied off hose hard enough, you can probably feel it stretch and become smaller under your hand. Heh.

>jackthelad Bib my LOT is at 6 o’clock, at 8 o’clock i feel a slight tugback and then upwards from that i begin to feel more of a tugback with 12 o’clock feeling it the most, cheers,<

I still want you to put all your stats together for me so I can enter them in the database. It looks as if you are in the traditional hard gainer group that needs to concentrate on tunica work. Working at the upper angles.

Dash,

>From your observations would you suggest that I stretch or hang at angles below 9:00 to hit the ligs most effectively? Most of my hanging and stretching to date has been at the 9 to 10:30 angle with just a little at about 8:00. I might actually have more lig gain left to go than I thought!! <

Yes, you should get a lot from the straight down to BTC angles.

GF,

>My LOT is roughly at 9:00 - i.e., it’s there but very weak. I have experienced no gains - perhaps 0.25” in girth. My erection angle is between 10 and 11 O’Clock. My stats are 6 * 4.75. I’ve experimented - with little consistency - in hanging, jelqing, and power-jelqing. Would you say 2” of length is an unrealistic goal and what exercises should I emphasise in my workouts?<

Sorry I missed that other post. You appear to be able to get a lot out of hanging or stretching at lower angles, from straight down to BTC. Two inches is obviously not unrealistic.

Realpuffus,

>O.K. Then if I’m getting this, and thankyou for your patience, Lately, intuitively almost, while I stretch straight down I noticed that I lean over, thus creating less of an angle then I would think, so I now purposely sit in a chair that has “empty space underneath it so that I can pull my penis down and back toward the wall behind me. Would that be considered what you mean by “lower angle?”<

It sounds like it. Say straight out is 9:00, straight down is 6:00, then BTC is about 3:00. There are 270 degrees of vertical penis stretch.

>An angle that is like pulling 6 oclock? I mainly manual stretch due to privacy issues but would you suggest hanging during the few days a week that I might be able too? Do you have suggested routine for my personal situation?<

I can’t suggest a personal routine. It would be much more effective for you to develop a routine based on your circumstances. I liked hanging because I could put it on and forget it. I did not have the time to tie up my hands. Also, I liked the ability to calibrate the amount of stress I was exerting.

SS4,

>So for me its tunica time. But I think perhaps I should hang BTC for a while longer to cement the gain I had, since this is the angle I got it with. This make sense?<

If you think the ligs can benefit by more stress, then by all means, do that. You might want to simply hang a bit BTC for maintanence, and the rest of your sets, straight out or up.

>Also on a slightly related topic, can you hang for multiple hours with tunica stretching as you can with ligs? Because with girth routines which also stretch tunica more rest days are needed right?<

I could hang much easier and longer just working the tunica as opposed to the ligs. BTC always got me good.

Hobby,

Is working to a low LOT a one time deal? Does LOT stay low once the ligs have been lengthened, or will it rise again as base size increases from working the tunica and/or doing girth-specific exercises?<

That is a damn good question, and I hope in time we can answer it. It depends of course on the points where tunica gains are made, and whether or not the ligs may tighten somewhat when stress is reduced or eliminated from them.

It seems feasible that if, at some point, the inner tunica is stretched enough, one could possibly benefit from more lig work. It might be a good idea to check the LOT every couple months or so.

>Added size at the base may re-tension previously loosened ligs, turning this into a game of see-saw.<

EXACTLY!! I think it could be possible.

Yguy,

>Basically, someone with a low LOT should work on their tunica and someone with a higher LOT should focus their ligs. Is that right?<

Right. Either work below the level of LOT for high LOTs, or work above the level of LOT for low LOTs.

Bigger

So if I have avery slight tug at 10 o’clock, LOT at 9 o’clock & extreme tug at 12. I should be fine with my current downward manual stretches and soon hanging?

Forgive me for being ignorant but I’m not understanding whether I should stretch up, down or straight. I know my length gains suck. If I’m doing it wrong then I know why.

One more thing. Lately with my current routine I’m not only feeling soreness in the ligs but also in the tunica as well. That’s from manual stretch downward, right, left.

Thanks in advance for putting up with my confusion.

aarzakk,

> So if I have avery slight tug at 10 o’clock, LOT at 9 o’clock & extreme tug at 12. I should be fine with my current downward manual stretches and soon hanging?<

Yes, go for lig stress as much as possible.

>Forgive me for being ignorant but I’m not understanding whether I should stretch up, down or straight. I know my length gains suck. If I’m doing it wrong then I know why.<

With your LOT, you should have a lot of potential for gains from lig stretch. Try to maximize stretches from straight down to BTC.

Bigger

One other question. For the guys with a high LOT, say 8:00 or above, can you palpate your inner penis? Also, how high is your shaft exit point from the body? How far away from your anus does your penis exit?

Bigger

Hey Bib,

I know you were asking for members with low LOT to respond to this but I just wanted to give you my numbers for a ‘hard-gainer’ with a LOT at 6. To measure how much distance I have between where my penis exits and the anus I measured on the underside of my testicles to my anus. My findings were 3.5 inches in distance. I too can palpate my inner penis and I find about 2.5 inches hidden. Don’t know if this helps you any at all, I just wanted to give my findings to you.

Thanks
Sappy1

Bib my stats are:

started at: 6 1/4” ebpl
4 1/2” eg

now: 6 3/4” ebpl
5” eg

been doing pe about 9 months including 6 months of hanging.
Current routine is to hang at least 2 hours a day straight out at 17.6lbs, i also power jelq for 30 minutes a day.

Erection angle is 9 o’clock.

Well guys I have shifted my routine a bit to make sure I include some 3-9:00 position stretching and I will track my LOT along with all of the other info to see if things track to Bib’s theory. I do this standing stretch where I reach behind and pull my penis pretty much straight toward 3:00. Anyone else try this? I am anxious to see the gains over the next quarter!