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Penis Size: The True Average

I really think they ought to teach the “Shower vs Grower” thing at school before they throw you into a locker room. I’m a grower — back them my erection was around 4 times larger than my flaccid. I just assumed that the guys with big flaccids grew 4 times too.

I didn’t learn about shower vs grower until I was in my mid twenties.

That’s so true sta-kool. I don’t think I learned about it until I came here!


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School never teaches you things you do really need to know in your life.

I just remembered in an old thread that Equine Rooster said his teachers DID teach this:

Originally Posted by Equine Rooster
They gave us a talk about it about when we were first going to be taking showers at school.

The two things I remember:

1. They said everybody had basically the same sized penis. (Not entirely untrue given the range of the majority.)

2. They told us for some it was the number of folds/creases that mattered when flaccid. (It is funny because I have thought of this and noticed more creases when flaccid now verses before PE.)

They did their best, but it is hard not to be intimidated by some of the showers in the locker room. Seriously, I don’t know how some showers can go through life without getting it caught in machinery and stuff.

Pretty simple. Maybe our gym teachers didn’t understand it themselves!

Originally Posted by HardbodyPEer
Less likely to encounter smaller penis= less likely to pass down the small penis genes, evolution at work. I can’t imagine what penis sizes will look like 400 years from now, assuming humans are still around, I’d bet the average would be what we now consider to be large.


This isn’t very likely given that birth control would subvert this influence. Moreover, the lesser chance of encountering a smaller penis is more of an issue in the casual sex scene. It’s safe to say that producing children isn’t the objective of casual sex. When it comes to reproducing, smaller guys seem able to find wives and procreate just fine. If the average does end up substantially higher in the future, my guess is it would be more likely to have been caused by social pressure rather than sexual selection (through genetic engineering, for example).

At any rate, I don’t think the genetics of penis size is well-understood. We often tend to focus on the men in our families as a signal for how big we should be while ignoring the fact that half our genes come from our mothers. On top of this, there is also the influence of spending nine months in the womb. For example, maybe testosterone levels in the womb are a big driver of penis size.

Originally Posted by Beretta92
The “average” guys are out there, me being one of them. It seems that in many cases they don’t get the notice, or sometimes get categorized as small. Perhaps the smaller ones are the less confident, or less likely to be out banging all kinds of women..
I believe I would have nailed 3 times as many women as I did in my younger years, had I been larger then, and had the confidence to go along with it. Last time I tried to figure it out, I believe I had slept with about 30 people in my life.


Uh, what? You had low confidence and you slept with 30 women. That is way above the average number of women most men sleep with. If you had more confidence you would have slept with 90 women? (3 x 30 = 90)

Even though your example does not fit your statement, I agree that small guys do not get around as often as the bigger guys. My sex life is abysmal due to my low self-confidence. One reason behind my low self-confidence is being a 5’6 white guy with a 5 inch npb erection. I’m pretty sure that if I was taller and had a bigger unit I would have banged a lot more girls than I have.

Getting back on topic, the average being under 6” does make me feel a little better. Now only if I PE’d consistently I could be above that…

Originally Posted by Maxtro
Uh, what? You had low confidence and you slept with 30 women. That is way above the average number of women most men sleep with. If you had more confidence you would have slept with 90 women? (3 x 30 = 90)

Even though your example does not fit your statement, I agree that small guys do not get around as often as the bigger guys. My sex life is abysmal due to my low self-confidence. One reason behind my low self-confidence is being a 5’6 white guy with a 5 inch npb erection. I’m pretty sure that if I was taller and had a bigger unit I would have banged a lot more girls than I have.

Getting back on topic, the average being under 6” does make me feel a little better. Now only if I PE’d consistently I could be above that…

I’m glad you agree with my conclusion that the smaller guys get around less, or at least it seems to be a good educated guess/generalization.

Regarding the 30 women claim, it is actually 28 including my wife. After posting that, I spent a good hour trying to remember, writing them down and making a list to be totally sure. Couldn’t remember all the names perfectly, but I’m confident I remembered all of the people. Just for the hell of it anyway. Only about a third of that number includes even semi-meaningful relationships, not just flings or one-nighters. Believe me, that is low for a guy who is 34 years old, and not “unattractive”. I’m a few mms under 5’ 10” and not overweight. In my younger days, I passed up tons of opportunities. There were a variety of reasons, maintaining some sort of (decent) reputation was one of them. While my confidence was not completely rock-bottom, it was not the best. I still had my share of fun, no doubt. It could have been a lot better though. I know, a lot of guys make crazy claims about how many women they have slept with, you can’t believe everything you hear though. Take everything with a grain of salt, but at my age, and in my generation (gen-X), my number is modest, and I have no reason to lie here where we are anonymous. Still, I am sure many people inflate, helping to stoke the ego.

Back to topic, knowing the average makes/made me feel a little better also. It’s just that nagging reminder that many women have not experienced many smaller guys because they are more guarded and less likely to get around, or so it seems. That, in my opinion makes the “average” to seem larger to many women. Hey, most of the women I slept with, I was at my pre-PE size of 5.5L X 4.375G! That is below average. Those days are behind me now though, as I am about average now at 6.5X4.9 and gaining again. I’d like to take my current dick back in time about 15 years…. (even though it is still far from “big”)

I have never seen a reputable survey that showed a median number of lifetime sexual partners above about 4-12 for American men or women. Of course there’s going to be tons of variation within subgroups — maybe your circle of friends is more promiscuous than most — but trust me, Beretta92, you slept with far more women than most men ever will. Maxtro is right.

Originally Posted by marinera
School never teaches you things you do really need to know in your life.

Amen to that!


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Originally Posted by Beretta92
It’s just that nagging reminder that many women have not experienced many smaller guys because they are more guarded and less likely to get around, or so it seems. That, in my opinion makes the “average” to seem larger to many women.

Dunno about this. My “theory” is that this is more an issue with less experienced younger women — who have been exposed to the same Porno Images on the internet etc that we see.

Not all men attach their self-confidence to the size of their penis. If they did, TP would have like 3 billion members. :)

I don’t buy this notion that, as a rule, bigger guys get around more. First of all, not all big guys are attractive, intelligent, or smooth. Many of them must surely be awkward, over or underweight, have bad teeth, poor social skills, are butt ugly, etc. Second, they might not even know how relatively big it is. Third (and most importantly), most women don't give a shit!

There are a lot of cocky, confident, funny, smart, attractive guys out there getting laid on the regular. To assume that all those guys are getting laid because they have a bigger than average unit is absurd—simple logic dictates that most of them must be of average size, because most guys are of average size. That means: most wealthy guys are average; most extremely handsome men are average; most pro athletes are average; most rock stars are average; and most movie stars are average. In addition, most of the guys who are none of the above but who still get around (due to being moderately good looking, charming, witty, smart, cool, funny, cocky or what have you), are also average.

So sure, there are some guys with big dicks who get around more than the average dude—some probably waaay more, but I am convinced that most guys who get around way more than the average dude do not necessarily have big dicks.

I wish there was more data to be found, but this is the only poll I know of concerning penis size vs number of hookups. I think there is bound to be some correlation but as to whether the 2 to 1 ratio shown is too high is debatable of course.

http://www.sizesurvey.com/result.html
“As illustrated in figure 11, well endowed men had more sexual partners per year than their average or modestly endowed counterparts. The data reveals that these men were more self-confident which may, in part, explain this finding.”

:up: Good post cheeva. Seems like common sense, doesn’t it?

I think it’s the double entendre and blatant,overt world of pop culture that’s fucking with dude’s heads. Music, TV, movies, the Internet, etc. Stupid sitcoms. Nookie girls talking shit. Smilin’ Bob commercials.

I’ve never talked to a girl who cited penis size as the reason any of their relationships ended. Never. Cheating, didn’t treat her right, partied too much, wasn’t ready to settle down. They never say, “He wasn’t big enough”. They’re too worried about what’s wrong with them, emotionally and physically. What are the odds all these guys were huge?

Right on the money Cheeva.

There was a guy in our neighbourhood growing up who was an awkward, ugly, goofy looking guy who was the result of inbreeding (mother and brother had sex, highly religious family so mother moved in with sister in a different city, brother became a priest!). Anyway, girls would run form this guy, but he was packing a true monster in his pants. In a flaccid state, I would estimate that it was 6.5 inches in girth and 7.5 inches long and extremely red and veiny. He would get a hard on just talking to a girl and the front of his pants would fill up like a balloon!

Last any of us talked to him, he was 26 years old and still a virgin.

Originally Posted by cheeva
Not all men attach their self-confidence to the size of their penis. If they did, TP would have like 3 billion members. :)

I don’t buy this notion that, as a rule, bigger guys get around more. First of all, not all big guys are attractive, intelligent, or smooth. Many of them must surely be awkward, over or underweight, have bad teeth, poor social skills, are butt ugly, etc. Second, they might not even know how relatively big it is. Third (and most importantly), most women don't give a shit!

There are a lot of cocky, confident, funny, smart, attractive guys out there getting laid on the regular. To assume that all those guys are getting laid because they have a bigger than average unit is absurd—simple logic dictates that most of them must be of average size, because most guys are of average size. That means: most wealthy guys are average; most extremely handsome men are average; most pro athletes are average; most rock stars are average; and most movie stars are average. In addition, most of the guys who are none of the above but who still get around (due to being moderately good looking, charming, witty, smart, cool, funny, cocky or what have you), are also average.

So sure, there are some guys with big dicks who get around more than the average dude—some probably waaay more, but I am convinced that most guys who get around way more than the average dude do not necessarily have big dicks.


I agree to an small extent, average is average.

But also disagree. It’s pretty hard to argue, with no facts to back it up other then speculations and guessing. And it depends if you are talking of 30 year olds, married couples, long term relationships etc. I’m talking about short relationships. Because chances are the guys that sleep with 30 or more women, they aren’t hanging around very long after they get what they want. They are too busy “playing the field”.

From my experience, the 20 somethings that go out every Friday and Saturday night looking to “score”. These guys are going to be better hung then average. It might be 0.5 inch more, it might be more or less I don’t know. It’s pretty hard to be an alpha male of a group of friends when they all know you are packing 5 inches. The alpha males are the most cockiest, most outgoing, confident and the biggest assholes. And these are the guys that the girls will gravitate towards in a club situation. Not always, but more then average. Even excluding alpha males and talking about people who go by themselves looking to meet someone it’s alot easier to psych yourself up to “go on the prowl” when you are more confident about your size, rather then if you are insecure about it. In my opinion these guys will rack up more “conquests” over a period of time then the Joe the Plumber. There will be exceptions, there will be well hung guys who have the charisma of a tennie shoe and can’t seal the deal, and there will be small guys who chicks just gravitate towards. But I am trying to talk about in general. Then there is the word of mouth thing, where once word gets around between a group of girl friends, the “big” guy seems to get more attention. And the small guy gets jokes told about him. I’m sure some small guys (2-4 inches) have enough self confidence to shrug it off and continue on his mission. But these guys really bring down the average and only a percentage of them has to give up going to the club, and then the average starts rising. It’s impossible to argue with any certainty though, but that’s my opinion. We have to agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by SonnyC
I’ve never talked to a girl who cited penis size as the reason any of their relationships ended. Never. Cheating, didn’t treat her right, partied too much, wasn’t ready to settle down. They never say, “He wasn’t big enough”. They’re too worried about what’s wrong with them, emotionally and physically. What are the odds all these guys were huge?

But it’s not about what the girl wants. Chances are she won’t know what the size is, until she’s “given it up” at least once. It’s about how the guy feels about himself. The confidence to go out there and try to get some. These guys that do will be increasing their chances with more women.

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