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Originally Posted by Lee Beast
What the hell has getting married (sigining a piece of paper) have to do with lower levels of testosterone? And as for the labelling of ‘Male Meno-Pause’…Oh please!

Did you read the study. The argument is that once a man gets married and has children his focus is on raising children not finding someone to procreate with. It is logical (and their results back up their logical hypothesis) that testosterone would be higher in men seeking to mate.

Besides, it is WELL documented that testosterone supplementation in childhood and early teenage years DOES increase penis size. It is a commonly used treatment for micro-penis. No credible studies suggest that it works in adults but logically it should.

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In contrast, 50 percent of men, some of whom had attained normal penis length with the help of testosterone replacement, said they were satisfied with their genitalia

That is from John’s Hopkins - one of the most highly respected medical institutions in the USA.
Http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/pres…UARY/020123.htm

Here is more..
Http://www.drgreene.com/21_917.html

Maybe it doesn’t work in adults. But it is certainly logical and plausible that it would.


Last edited by northof60 : 06-15-2006 at .

I did read the study and still, it doesn’t affect the married guy if he is still ‘physically active’ in some kind of sport. Test levels would still be much higher than a sedantry male or even that of a single sedantry male. This so called ‘PE study’ does not prove that PE works better for unmarried men! Testosterone levels have nothing to do with penis enlargement. If that WAS the case then why don’t all the guys on this forum jump onto the ‘gear’ wagon to increase our cocks?

It seems that by pulling and squeezing the penis, ‘logic’ states it should get larger! But, it has NEVER been proven by the highly respected medical institutions, only by guys like YOU and I who come to Thunder’s. We can all claim that PE works to the medical institutions or universities till we’re all blue in the face because logic says so! But, that’s not going to sway them and neither is the ‘PE study’.

- Lee Beast

p.s. where the hell did I mention anything about test supplementation for treating ‘micro-penis’? Did you read my thread?

Originally Posted by Lee Beast
I did read the study and still, it doesn’t affect the married guy if he is still ‘physically active’ in some kind of sport. Test levels would still be much higher than a sedantry male or even that of a single sedantry male. This so called ‘PE study’ does not prove that PE works better for unmarried men! Testosterone levels have nothing to do with penis enlargement. If that WAS the case then why don’t all the guys on this forum jump onto the ‘gear’ wagon to increase our cocks?

It seems that by pulling and squeezing the penis, ‘logic’ states it should get larger! But, it has NEVER been proven by the highly respected medical institutions, only by guys like YOU and I who come to Thunder’s. We can all claim that PE works to the medical institutions or universities till we’re all blue in the face because logic says so! But, that’s not going to sway them and neither is the ‘PE study’.

- Lee Beast

P.s. Where the hell did I mention anything about test supplementation for treating ‘micro-penis’? Did you read my thread?

You seriously need to relax. I posted it because it was interesting. Don’t take everything so personally.

Originally Posted by Lee Beast
I did read the study and still, it doesn’t affect the married guy if he is still ‘physically active’ in some kind of sport.

Maybe you read the study, but I guess you don’t understand it.
Physical activity may increase T level, but that does not negate the evidence that marriage decreases it.

Originally Posted by northof60
No credible studies suggest that it works in adults but logically it should.

Here we have the problem of using logic instead of data again. Adult physiology and the effect of hormones is much different than that in a child. If T increased penis size, it would be more widely reported by the millions of guys who have used T for HRT, anabolic or performance enhancing purposes.


Horny Bastard

northof60 & mravg,

Firstly, I would like to sincerely apologize to you both if you have read my post & seen it as either aggressive or me taking it ‘personally’. However, I have read the study and I DO understand it. Secondly, my only qualms are with the decrease of test levels in ‘physically active married men’ opposed to ‘sedantry married men’.

Ok, so it does not negate the evidence that marriage alone decreases test levels but, it should have clearly stated whether this was in ‘active’ or ‘sedantry’ married men. My reason is this, guys I train and who are married, have their test levels checked before, during and after a testosterone based cycle. Before they even started the cycle their test levels were pretty high due to their active lifestyle and all the while whilst married. Now, guys I train who are single yet lead an active lifestyle, have had their test levels checked before, during and after a testosterone based cycle. Again, before the start of the test cycle their test levels were pretty high. Due to this data I have on the guys I train is what prompted me to reply to the thread in the first place.

Again, to you northof60 & to you mravg, my sincere apologies if we got our wires crossed somewhere. Best wishes to you both.

- Lee Beast

p.s. mravg, you are absolutely right about “if T increased penis size, it would be more widely reported by the millions of guys who have used T for HRT, anabolic or performance enhancing purposes.” I have quite a high test level & I can assure you … my cock has NEVER increased due to taking exogenous substances.

No need to apologize Mr. Beast. There is a lot of info left out of the summary of the study, and it would be interesting to see all the data. Not only do they not report the activity level of the test subjects (which may imply that it was random sampling) but they do not report the magnitude of the difference in T level or the standard deviation, or the statistical significance of the data etc.


Horny Bastard

Nice posts, Mravg.

Frankly I just don’t waste my testosterone growing hair. Haven’t seen a barber in years.


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Originally Posted by Lee Beast
Firstly, I would like to sincerely apologize to you both if you have read my post & seen it as either aggressive or me taking it ‘personally’.

Thanks dude. That’s very cool of you. Sometimes it is hard to tell in writing what someone is really thinking.

I personally don’t think marriage has that big of an impact but having children I think does. Not only psychologically but also because you get less sleep and have more stress (cortisone levels lower testosterone). Here is my personal experience..

About 5 years ago I started having very negative health symptoms - dizziness, extreme fatigue, and some other nasty symptoms. It was roughly about the same time my first child was born. They ran every test in the book on me (must of taken 20 viles of blood from me). The diagnosis?? Stress - and lots of it. The stress was running me into the ground. Many of the same symptoms of too much stress are also the same symtoms of low testosterone (especially extreme fatigue). So when I read this study I saw a personally correlation, which is why I found it interesting.

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P.s. Mravg, you are absolutely right about “if T increased penis size, it would be more widely reported by the millions of guys who have used T for HRT, anabolic or performance enhancing purposes.” I have quite a high test level & I can assure you … My cock has NEVER increased due to taking exogenous substances.

I’ll have to start a separate thread on this one :)

Originally Posted by northof60
I’ll have to start a separate thread on this one :)

That would be cool, but check first to see if there aren’t existing threads on this same topic. It has been discussed before, I know.


Horny Bastard

Originally Posted by northof60
Thanks dude. That’s very cool of you. Sometimes it is hard to tell in writing what someone is really thinking.

I personally don’t think marriage has that big of an impact but having children I think does. Not only psychologically but also because you get less sleep and have more stress (cortisone levels lower testosterone). Here is my personal experience..

About 5 years ago I started having very negative health symptoms - dizziness, extreme fatigue, and some other nasty symptoms. It was roughly about the same time my first child was born. They ran every test in the book on me (must of taken 20 viles of blood from me). The diagnosis?? Stress - and lots of it. The stress was running me into the ground. Many of the same symptoms of too much stress are also the same symtoms of low testosterone (especially extreme fatigue). So when I read this study I saw a personally correlation, which is why I found it interesting.

I’ll have to start a separate thread on this one :)

Northof60,

I can fully understand why you found the study interesting and the need to start this thread, since I now know that you find a personal correlation to the study. I agree that marriage alone does not have that of an impact on test levels, but when you add having children as part of the equation - and the stresses you had to endure - then I guess that can very well have an adverse effect on test levels.

Sorry to hear that you had to go through all those tests in order to find the diagnosis, I hope all is well you now.

I wish you all the very best (ditto to mravg too!):)

- Lee beast

Originally Posted by Slender
Thank God I’m married, then. If I was single, my hair would be falling out even faster!


For those who worry about their hair, you can try PROPECIA.
it is not testosterone which cause the problem, it is dihydrotestosterone. PROPECIA can reduce the dihydrotestosterone level.

well, I saw someone said that PROPECIA will block their PE gains. I am not sure.


Last edited by sabbatia : 06-17-2006 at .

If you already carry the 5-Alpha Reductase gene in your family, then your hair will be more prone to thinning and eventually lead to balding. Propecia or Proscar (Finasteride) will do absolutely nothing if you carry the gene.

Don’t know exactly how Propecia could block PE gains!

- Lee Beast

Originally Posted by Lee Beast
If you already carry the 5-Alpha Reductase gene in your family, then your hair will be more prone to thinning and eventually lead to balding. Propecia or Proscar (Finasteride) will do absolutely nothing if you carry the gene.

Don’t know exactly how Propecia could block PE gains!

- Lee Beast


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Really I didnt know that. Both sides of my family are pretty bald. My brother was going bald in his twenties as well as my mothers father and her other male relatives. I have been taking propecia for over three years (maybe more) and it has worked great for me. Although I think (and cant prove other than similar stories on “balding” sites) that it can cause some level of ED and have a tendency to put on weight. I would have to agree in both cases.


You all are still missing the point... The story was great and all but should have ass (and) some anal in it.- RWG

Originally Posted by Monty530
Frankly I just don’t waste my testosterone growing hair. Haven’t seen a barber in years.

Word. I’m too sexy for my hair.

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