PE as a Lifestyle: Choosing Our Paths
I’ve spent some time recently reading a variety of posts from some long-time members regarding permanency of gains. These two threads stood out among them:
From what I noticed about gains that have to do with losing elasticity (gains that occur when the elastic limit is passed), which I believe pumping relies on, is that there are stages of gains. As I described here:
What I’m referring to is the second and third type of gains that I described there about pumping (not edema). It seems that the penis can grow temporarily (this really seems to be the initial stage of plastic deformation), and then this gain needs to be “cemented” before it becomes permanent.
The problem that the above two linked threads have led me to considering is that even after gains become permanent, they are not really permanent. I do think that the permanency of these gains might depend on the stimulus used (I think there may actually be more than one method of gains - creep vs. micro tears and maybe their permanency differs), but either way the permanency is not guarantee-able.
In a number of these threads both ThunderSS and marinera have used the common phrase “use it or lose it.” Clearly that is the case. I think when Wadzilla originally saw his losses he reacted in an overly negative manner (it is, after all, very saddening), and failed to see something that seems obvious in retrospect:
If the (likely elastic) losses are already cemented, and by that I mean they do not disappear for the first 6-12 months, then they will only deteriorate at a very slow rate (years). Therefore, Wadzilla’s intuition about needing to do PE for the rest of his life at the same levels he used to gain is unrealistic. Since the deterioration is so slow (3 years in his case), one will need to perform much less PE than was needed to grow originally, but this PE will need to be continued permanently.
I think this is fairly agreeable. Of course, most people have already considered this before and decided that they will likely have to maintain their gains permanently. My only new comment is regarding the path that one takes through PE.
1. For one to be able to “maintain” his gains, if Wadzilla’s idea on deterioration is right, he would actually have to grow, not maintain, at a slower rate, permanently. If you never could grow from manual stretches, for example, then you cannot rely on manual stretching as your permanent maintenance routine. The maintain routine needs to actually cause growth. Within this point, it is important to consider that many people cannot grow from very low volumes of certain stimuli, but can grow from larger volumes of it. For this reason, it may be useful to use a maintenance routine that oscillates between high intensity work for short periods using a certain stimulus that will cause growth and complete lack of work for other periods. For example: 2 months off, 2 weeks of clamping every other day, as opposed to clamping once a week. The first example might cause you to gain while the second might not, so this should also be considered.
So in the first point I stated that I think its important to use a method (frequency, volume, intensity) and stimulus that can actually cause growth, albeit at a slower rate. I think keeping this in mind while performing a maintenace routine is important, I don’t think randomly pulling ones penis 5 times a day will work over the long-run. My second point is:
2. Consider that you have a variety of stimuli that you believe will cause growth. Consider that you are now not in a maintenance routine, but that you are actually on your path to growing, and you have 3 options that you recognize as growth paths (ex. manual stretching, hanging, ADS). I want to argue that you should not simply choose the path that will minimize the time for gains. It is also important to consider that whatever stimuli you use to build your gains is likely what you will have to use to maintain the gains - so choose wisely. Don’t use a stimulus that you can’t stand unless you have no other options, because you’ll be stuck with it to maintain those gains.
You might say that “ah it’s alright, I’ll use a different stimulus to maintain.” True, its possible that the other one will also cause the growth needed to maintain, but it may be a different kind of growth (therefore, by definition, you won’t be maintaining, your penis will be changing). Further, it might be too slow, take too much time, etc. - how do you know? The level of mastery over a stimulus that you build up from using it to create gains initially is, I think, important in being able to use it to maintain your gains efficiently.
So my second argument is to choose your stimuli carefully. Possibly, take the longer root to growth to avoid having to do shit you don’t like for the rest of your life to maintain it.
What do you guys think about this way of thinking about long-term PE?
Note: My Loss of Gains is Nearly Complete :( this thread is a follow-up on Wadzilla’s losses from the afore-linked thread.
Last edited by LongVehicle : 04-30-2010 at .