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[Newbie-Theory] Another POV to healing in elongated state & hard gainers

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[Newbie-Theory] Another POV to healing in elongated state & hard gainers

I have been reading up on some big gainers, especially on braindrain and he was struggling with girth gains.
At some point he noticed a trend girth gainers seem to follow, a common denominator if you will, which was:
Push past your physical/size limits, try to stay in the state for as long as possible.
This is very logical and everyone should agree with that.
Meaning, if you do your girth work, or actually, any type of work - including length work, and then refresh
your penis to that state every other hour by short stretching breaks or a few minutes of jelqing every hour or using an ADS
or a cockring or whatever way, you will gain.

The idea is that you simply heal in that state, meaning new cells aka new dick will “appear” in that state, so to speak.
Excuse my english, please dont focus on it, I’m not a native speaker. Try to rather focus on my point.

Now, I think there might be a link to hard gainers and why they gain the way they do.

Before I explain my point, Id like to first point out some obvious things:
- Every newbie is recommended to start with a newbie routine to condition their penis
- Every type of newbie routine -afaik- consists of just one session, which takes anywhere from 20 to 60 minutes, with a rest cycle
one of: 1on1off, 2on1off, 3on1off&2on1off, 5on2off, 6on1off, .. The rest of the time, they do nothing!

Now, we know that some gain a lot and some don’t gain as much. Why is that? Well perhaps.. this is why:
Its different for everyone how long his penis will stay in the worked out state after a routine. This is variable for everyone.
Example:
Person A: Does routine X with rest cycle Y but his penis retracts immediately to his normal/previous state after PE workout
Person B: Does routine X with rest cycle Y (meaning same as Person A) but his penis stay for hours, even almost a day long in that pumped state.

Over time, Person B will heal more in an elongated state than Person A, even though he actively does not enforce that state, he just naturally/”genetically” stays in it..
This is how genetics plays a part in why some hardly gain and why some gain easily.

Now to the basis of my “theory” - its not scientific, its just my observations through reading others experiences and my own experience:

1. I have gained in length quite easily -not bragging, just stating:
- I have been very convinced from the get go about PE being legit, it actually working
- I had read that a big gainer contributed his gains to mostly edging, he edged 1-2 hours after each session, which I MIMICKED in the first few months
- Basically, I have stayed in the elongated state for hours and even when I was done with edging, my dick didn’t go back to its normal size, it was still.. long - genetics!

2. I have gained absolutely nothing in girth
- I have not done anything to maintain the expanded state
- Admittedly, I have done low EQ jelqing (~30% EQ) first few months but the following months (3-4 months leading to now), I have done high EQ girth work: squeezes at about 60-80% and jelqs at +80% EQ.
- My penis was in an engorged/expanded state after these workouts but the expansion went away pretty quickly, within 10-20 minutes and I didn’t bother to maintain that (by using cockring OR wrapping off base)

Conclusions: I gained some length, I gained nothing in girth.
Coincidence? I think not!

I think that most of us know these facts on their own, e.g. we know that we should aim to heal in elongated/engorged state and such.
But why is it that this is not emphasized much more, especially to newbies? Why are the existing (newbie) routines not adjusted such that this is enforced?!

I think this might be one of the bigger reasons why some gain and some don’t. People just have different type of bodies and some stay in post workout penis state for much longer than others.
These people seemingly gain more. I think its that simple! This also goes hand in hand with the more is more theory. The reason why more is more, is because more enforce longer periods of engorged/enlargened state which in turn leads to more gains since healing is done for longer times in that state.
I would like to draw the line that with more is more, I don’t necessarily mean intensity wise. Just the amount of work as in # of session throughout the day.
So, this doesn’t mean
{1x session, 50% intensity} —> {1x session, 100% intensity}
will do you good. Perhaps it will.
But I mean something more along the lines of
{1x session, 50% intensity} —> {1x main session - 50% intensity, 4-5x short refresher sessions - 20-40% intensity}
(Btw. the intensity levels are just random numbers to make my point..)

What I would like to propose is to redesign the newbie routines and incorporate 5-10 minutes of refresher workout session throughout the day.
A simple generic newbie routine:
{
- 10 min warm up
- 15 min stretching
- 15 min jelqing
Once a day, 2 on 1 off
}
—> Would transform into this:
{
Main session, once a day:
- 10 min warm up
- 15 min stretching
- 15 min jelqing

Short session, aim for as many as possible throughout the day, e.g. at 10:00, 12:00, 14:00, 16:00, 18:00, 20:00, .. as the situation permits
- 5 min stretching
- 5 min jelqing

Edging, once a day
- 20-30 minutes, the longer, the better

2on1off,
On off days, drop the main session and edging, do the short session but extra lightly.
}

I have no idea why I have not been actively adhering to this but from now on, I will do.
As I have started hanging, I read many times that people suggest wrapping throughout the day - it seems to just work well with hanging and yields better gains. Go figure why..
I’ll do that and also, I’ll have short sessions of 5 minute cold stretching throughout the day, no jelqing.. until I reach my length goals.
If this approach works, I’ll be very happy :)

Edit: Sucks that I can’t create threads in the penis enlargement sub-thread >.<
140 more posts until I can :(

Best regards


Then: 6.5 BPEL | 5.5 NBPEL x 5.5 MSEG | 5.0 BEG

Now: 8.11 BPEL | 7.24 NBPEL x 5.5 MSEG | 5.0 BEG

Aiming for: 20cm+ BPEL with low EQ (= still usable for sex EQ), 6.0 MSEG & BEG!, so the goal is: 8.1'' | 7.2'' x 6.0! || My journal

As I woke up with a raging boner and took note of it (PI), it hit me again.

Even PIs play a role in this theory - what happens if your PIs are bad? It leads to no morning wood, no random erections,
pretty much dead, small, turtled dick.
Whats good PIs? Pretty much the opposite - morning wood, strong/good/random erections, big chub, …

When you have good PIs, you are pretty much ensuring growth in a bigger than normal state.
Waking up with a boner means that your penis might have been in an expanded/engorged state for who knows, hours?
Even if its just half an hour (REM phase -short phase of sleep- is where all the the “dreaming” is happening so perhaps only as long as you are in REM phase you have a boner.. nonetheless!).
That means healing in an elongated state for longer than usual!!


Then: 6.5 BPEL | 5.5 NBPEL x 5.5 MSEG | 5.0 BEG

Now: 8.11 BPEL | 7.24 NBPEL x 5.5 MSEG | 5.0 BEG

Aiming for: 20cm+ BPEL with low EQ (= still usable for sex EQ), 6.0 MSEG & BEG!, so the goal is: 8.1'' | 7.2'' x 6.0! || My journal

Nice post.

I’m what I consider a hard gainer girth wise. (Don’t really know lengthwise)

My strategy thus far has been to keep increasing intensity and workload till I achieve growth. I was up to an hour and 1/2 three days a week with no results.

Obviously, I can’t keep along this path so I had decided after this decon break to do a similar workout to this.

My plan is clamp twice a week. Jelq 5 on 2 off in morning. Then a light clamp/Obends at night, (5min), and then short jelq/piss pulls ten times a day.

This is very similar to your idea I think?

Also, going to try 2 1/2 weeks on, 1 1/2 weeks off. Kind of a monthly schedule that I can tweak every month.

Thanks for your post, it helped solidify what I was planning.

Hey man, thanks for taking time & giving it a read.

Yeah, it is similar. You are doing multiple sessions a day, pretty much “refreshing” the engorged/pumped state after your main routine (clamping/jelqing!?).

Regarding macro level schedules, give the punctuated theory a read. I think xenolith (or was it someone else?) worked out how roughly speaking it works.
As far as I remember, you pretty much work out for like 2-3 months, until you stop seeing gains. Then you continue for about 1 additional month after which you take a decon break!

As for the length of the decon break, read up on the BFS theory. I just recently revived it and stated that using it as a gauge to when to stop the decon would be wise.
Not quite sure about it but it kinda makes sense.
Im not quite sure if it works the same way for girth though. You be the judge.

Other than that, I would say look into “perfect jelqing” - which is what braindrain did. He didnt gain any girth for quite some time (years I think) until he discovered the perfect jelqs.

— Coming back to your routine, I think it would be more optimal to add a cock ring or someting similar.
The purpose of refresher sessions (e.g. for length) is so to make the penis “longer” (stretched) again. Instead of refresher sessions, you could also wear an ADS and for girth, a cockring I would imagine.
It would pretty much keep your penis in the plump state for hours, which in turn means more growth in bigger size -> more gains — core of the theory..

Im all over the place, I hope this is helpful!


Then: 6.5 BPEL | 5.5 NBPEL x 5.5 MSEG | 5.0 BEG

Now: 8.11 BPEL | 7.24 NBPEL x 5.5 MSEG | 5.0 BEG

Aiming for: 20cm+ BPEL with low EQ (= still usable for sex EQ), 6.0 MSEG & BEG!, so the goal is: 8.1'' | 7.2'' x 6.0! || My journal

Weight loss?

Not relevant to this thread (maybe it is, idk I’m new here) but, will losing weight make your penis bigger? I’m a little over weight and my dick is small for someone my size (I’m 6’2” my dick is about 5”-5.5”)

You are way off topic, but shrinking your fat pad is the easiest way to reveal more of your length. And depending on how overweight you mean, a little change in health can encourage circulation and EQ which means bigger hardons!

I think this thread has some great points regarding hard gainers. I am a hard gainer in girth. I can quite easily achieve 5.25 during my routine, buy morning I’m 5.1 and buy 48 hours later il be back to my original 4.9/5.
I have often thoughts that if i introduced little mini sessions perhaps 2 or even 3 times a day then i could possibly keep up a 5.1 as a constant. My only concern with such thing is whether i would in fact heal in this state, or just get more fatigued.

Buy mini sessions i mean something along the lines of….

My normal routine at night which is….

Warmup
5 mins jelq
7 min light clamp edging
20 mins pump
5 mins clamp
25 mins pump

Then adding the following….

9 am

5/10 min light clamped edging

3 pm

5/10 min light clamped edging.

I suggest this because i notice that the next morning after routine i drop from post routine 5.25 to 5.1….perhaps this would get me closer to 5.25 again. Then buy the 3pm mini session i will be in a girthier state than i would normally be, and bumping that size back up so that by time i do my night session I’m already much closer to the normal finishing point of 5.25.

My only concern here is that for me (I’m a more is more) this would mean that i do this almost round the clock with minimal rest days, or very few rest days as that’s when i seem to return to standard size.
I may try pe 7 days a week but lower the amount of big sessions (from 5) to around 3/4 and fill all other days with mini sessions.
I may even need a de con as my unit seems to take anything i throw at it.


"It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. And we of Thundersplace have set our sights very high, so high in fact that even failure will have in it an echo of glory.”

Originally Posted by ehlolol
As I woke up with a raging boner and took note of it (PI), it hit me again.

Even PIs play a role in this theory - what happens if your PIs are bad? It leads to no morning wood, no random erections,
pretty much dead, small, turtled dick.
Whats good PIs? Pretty much the opposite - morning wood, strong/good/random erections, big chub, …

When you have good PIs, you are pretty much ensuring growth in a bigger than normal state.
Waking up with a boner means that your penis might have been in an expanded/engorged state for who knows, hours?
Even if its just half an hour (REM phase -short phase of sleep- is where all the the “dreaming” is happening so perhaps only as long as you are in REM phase you have a boner.. nonetheless!).
That means healing in an elongated state for longer than usual!!

Sparkyx was saying this years ago, search for some of his PI threads if you want a good read.
It’s also in essence what DLD is saying with his SRT theory although he manages to massively over complicate it.

I think the ADC probably has merit. I’ve read the thread on wearing one but can’t seem to keep engorgement with one. (At some point should investigate cock coil). So yes I want to try mini workouts to maintain pump but not be intense enough to be called workouts.

My dick seems to take anything I throw at it as well, most likely this just toughens it, I need to find the growth state vs. The strengthening state.

Thinking less main workouts with less intensity, (only enough to induce stress for growth) followed by light plumping workouts, followed by time off; then repeat.

Worth a shot.

Elolol’s initial post about hard gainers not maintaining pump post workout is me in a nutshell.

Hey Caperincus I read a thread awhile back about you going years without gains. Did you ever solve the riddle? I hope so.

Originally Posted by MajicWand
Hey Caperincus I read a thread awhile back about you going years without gains. Did you ever solve the riddle? I hope so.

Sort of :)

I found easy to understand that length needs constant work to keep stretching the penis and keep it stretched. No rest days at all may do as I think that when you are working length only more is more and the only thing you have to keep an eye at is the drop of EQ. Only the drop of EQ will tell you when to have a day or two off when working on length. Other than that IMO it is good to take 2 sessions or more a day, every day with no breaks for length gains.

Girth though is a bitch and needs time. Too much time. I think girth needs the opposite. A good beating and enough days to rest.

In case you are working both, one needs to adjust the rest days properly.


BPEL 7 EG 5.5 NBPEL 6.5 Flaccid length 4.5. Started Jan 2015 at bpel 6.5 nbpel 6.0 and eg 5.2 flaccid length was 3.5

I have reached my goal. At least for now.

“I think girth needs the opposite. A good beating and enough days to rest.”

I completely agree with this. I was doing MWF and I saw best signs of growth Sunday night.

I think the debate should be what constitutes “rest”. Which I’m guessing like everything else varies from person to person.

Yeah I agree with last 2 responses but I think you guys miss my point.

For length, sure, to stay longer in an elongated state, a short session is fine.

But for girth, its not - I agree. But the point is that the penis still needs to be in an engorged state and heal in that.

Perhaps a better way for girth is to use cock rings on rest days or try to keep it engorged somehow else..

Same with length - you can drop the short sessions if you manage to keep it elongated somehow else - e.g. through ADS or similar!


Then: 6.5 BPEL | 5.5 NBPEL x 5.5 MSEG | 5.0 BEG

Now: 8.11 BPEL | 7.24 NBPEL x 5.5 MSEG | 5.0 BEG

Aiming for: 20cm+ BPEL with low EQ (= still usable for sex EQ), 6.0 MSEG & BEG!, so the goal is: 8.1'' | 7.2'' x 6.0! || My journal

Originally Posted by ehlolol
Yeah I agree with last 2 responses but I think you guys miss my point.
For length, sure, to stay longer in an elongated state, a short session is fine.
But for girth, its not - I agree. But the point is that the penis still needs to be in an engorged state and heal in that.
Perhaps a better way for girth is to use cock rings on rest days or try to keep it engorged somehow else..
Same with length - you can drop the short sessions if you manage to keep it elongated somehow else - e.g. through ADS or similar!

This is also what Xeno and BeardedDragon have been doing quite successfully.

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