New De-condition theory

I’ve been reading, reading, then after some jelqing, did some more reading.
So, basically I’ve been reading somewhat. (I dig the technical posts!)

After some lengthy reading and pondering, my inquisitive mind done axed me a Q based on the following assumptions:

1) Initial length growth is from ligaments stretched
2) Secondary length growth is from tunica stretched
3) De-condition time needed to repair tunica
4) De-condition time needed to repair overall workout load

So my theoretical question is this:
Is there a routine that could be structured to maximize:
1) Initial ligament growth
2) Secondary tunica growth
3) De-condition time to allow for repair, BUT:
A) During the de-condition phase, start some girth exercises that don’t inhibit the repair phase

Thus allowing for de-condition time needed, but working on girth during down time.

I’m not an expert on all the physiology of the meat stick so excuse my ignorance if I’m totally off target with my pondering. My primary concern is obviously my mind being able to handle 4-6 weeks off without doing anything.

Please chime in on any opinions you may have.

Later

Sounds about right in my case.

1) Hang/stretch/jelq as far downward as possible.
2) Hang /stretch/jelq as far upwards as possible.
3) Yep
4) Nope.

The tunica consists of two layers, one axial (orientated along the penis), the other transverse (across/around the penis). How do you propose to stretch the transverse layer (the one which dictates girth) while not stressing the axial layer?

Not possible, so therefore although you give your ligs a break, your tunica (as a whole) would not benefit from the “deconditioning”.

While I’m in the process of throwing my two nickels worth in here, I think that it is also important for the brain to decondition mentally, just as much as it is for the penis to do so physically.

Are you making the distinction between deconditioning and time simply not spent PE? Deconditioning theory I believe is an important part once plateaus set in, but the time not spent PEing is healing your penis in the short term, not weakening it. I’m talking daily terms here. Maximize using traction wrapping or ADS. I’m a big believer in constant force to max gains.

Andrew69 answered this in detail, but I ask why you feel deconditioning is limited to the tunica? Yes, the tunica theoretically over periods over deconditioning and stress will have unlimited gains, however I haven’t read anything that says the ligs have a limiting factor.
Also, if you’re following the rubber band theory, which states a thicker penis is harder to stretch than a thin one, girth wouldn’t be the best choice here.

As for doing nothing, I suggest reading/researching more on PE or doing whatever. I made the mistake of not reading up during my break and now it seems I don’t have a structured layout of adjusting to gain.

I recently spent a couple months doing an intense girth routine - lots of EU’s. Unfortunately it toughened everything, including ligs.

I hadn’t hung in many months and just started back. Usually after a long break I begin with about 6 lbs. and work up to 10-12 lbs. over 8 weeks or so, feeling a good stretch the whole time. Not after the EU’s. After only one week of daily hanging I’m already up to 10 lbs., and it isn’t producing fatigue in the 1/2 BTC to full BTC positions.

I expected the EU’s to toughen my shaft, but the lig strengthening was an unwelcome surprise. I applied the Uli thing at the very base - as close to my pubic bone as it would go. Apparently it pressed on the ligs enough to thoroughly condition them. :( Damn.

Don’t screw up like I did and inadvertently recondition tissues you believe are getting a rest.

It’s best to take time completely off to decondition. A little light jelqing doesn’t seem to hurt, as long as it’s “a little” and “light” (easier said than done).

Along the lines of what Andrwe69 said about the brain decondition, I’m sure there’s a CNS issue in there too.

A mild stretcher might be something to consider while deconditioning, depending on your views about whether cell tuenover/adaptation is separate or the same thing as heavier exercise. I’m currently of the view that adaptation can occur with constant stretch without strength or fibrosis changes, but time will tell.

And to think, people laugh at me when I tell them my best gains where made with 6.75 lbs.

Andrew69, was that with an hour or so per day, or long duration?

Did gains slow eventually causing you to increase weight, it did you add more just because you could?

Shiver,

I aimed for 4 plus sets of 20 minutes per day. Didn’t always happen, but that is what I aimed for.

All my hanging gains came slowly until I added a fulcrum. I added weight as my unit became conditioned and I no longer felt much fatigue.

I got as far as 10 pounds, gained zero (and lost girth), went back to 6.75 for another month, but by then it was too late (over trained I believe). I will finish a 6 week deconditioning break in about 10 days, so the next month will be interesting.

Interesting. I’m not sure 6 weeks is enough though - 3 months is the lowest successful one I’ve heard so far. It might be worth asking Wad what the shortest deconditioning break he’s had that gave results (though he might say that so far there’s only the extended one after which he gained 0.22”).

It’s starting to look like the weight needs to be either low enough to encourage grow without it getting uptight and altering composition, or do a Bib and break through no matter what the composition.

4 weeks off worked for me. I had been gaining 1/16” per month before, then picked up 1/8” in the month after the break.

I never thought of it that way, but it does make sense to me and would go far in explaining my gains using such low weight.

I have previously taken a 4 week break and gained 1/4” in the first week back.

4 week break and 1/4” in 5th: WOW!! In which case why mess with anything else? I’d repeat that for all it was worth.

Can I ask your age, and how you would rate your quality of sleep on a regular basis?

32, mostly excellent sleep, average 7 hours per night.

Consider for a moment not experiencing any plateau’s

If AFTER a deconditioning period you incorporate an Light ADS between sessions you might experience what I did and that was that not only did I not have to increase weight as often but my gains stayed consistent. Look at it this way a plateau occurs because healing has taken place strengthening the ligs. When an ADS is incorporated then the healing is not only taking place upon constantly stretched ligs but I believe the healing is disturbed or retarded. Anyway, with the ligs stretched all the time consistency in gains is the norm and the benefit is less weight during heaving hanging sessions.

Another consideration is to use an ADS as the first application after the Deconditioning period and no heavy hanging for the first three weeks. What you will see is what Andrew69 got and that was “less is better”.
Then after the gains from the ADS solely has stopped then add in heavy weight sessions but starting at just over the ADS weight. My experience was that the heaving hanging weight increase wasn’t needed as often.

Good points Monty and my thoughts exactly, even if I don’t have the time or convenience for an ADS.