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Need help from all good gainers!


Need help from all good gainers!

Ok, need some feedback from anyone who has made good gains.

Especially those who have made SUSTAINED gains lasting past 6 months.

I need you to note what levels of force and time did you first start gaining…and at what level it tapered and stopped…or kept going.

So pumpers…inches hg and time.

Hangers…weight and time.

All manual methods like jelquing and traction won’t be as helpful because its so subjective, but I’d like to hear anyway.

Thanks and please take a moment and respond.



7 months of hanging, mostly BTC, some SO. 1” BPEL gained. Started gaining at 1.75kg, 3x15 min. Sustained gains through the 7 months, with gradual increase of time and weight to 7kg, 10x20min. One long session, 4-5 days/week. Heat first half x first half of sets, weight drop after 3-6 sets down to a minimum of half max at the end of the session.

Now on my 2nd crusade with minimalistic micro-cycle IPR approach; ad lib xenolith style. 1 on (with 1.1 time increase until maxed out), 1 ADS, 1 off. Too early to say much, but only positive feedback so far.
I know you’ve read and commented on it, sparkyx. But I’ll link it here for others who may not have.

xeno’s “IPR Theory based PE training protocol”:
xenolith - Finding xeno: a penis tale


I gotta find a converter one day. What is 1.75kg and 7kg in lbs?

1.75kg=3.9 lbs 7kg=15.4 lbs

I personally started to see gains at 7.5 lbs…I think Monty started to see gains at about the same.

He is now using 15-17 lbs, and thats after a couple of years.

For now, I’m thinking about 5-15 lbs is the effective range….but thats why I started this thread…

Tissue strength and elasticity will move this up or down, but I’m thinking that this is pretty close to a working range for sustained gains WITHOUT much tissue damage that results in toughening.


When I measured, I believe 3 in hg translated into about 5 lbs of hanging wt…which puts the Pumpers belief of keeping under 5 in hg, within this range.

Please Gainers….CONTRIBUTE!!!!

1.35” of my length gains came from manual exercises, 0.6” came from hanging SD.

First 2-3 weeks or so I used a noose style hanger and gradually increased the weight from 1 to 4kg (2.2-8.9 lbs) about 10-20mins a day. I think I was impressed by the progress but not really pleased by the shape my dick was in and hanging hurt like hell.

After that I used a better hanger about 3x20mins a day but hung with a lot of skinstretch. Over a time period of 8 months I gradually increased the weight to 11kg (24.4 lbs). By then I had gained 0.6” from hanging in total.

I started using better hangers with hardly any skinstretch, SD and SO, but I haven’t gained since. Length has been the same for more than 2 years.

Last edited by Piet : 04-25-2006 at .

I no longer do PE (except for about 30-45 min total of maintenance per week)
Although I didn’t reach the goals in my signature; I was basically forced to stop PE on account of my GF complaining that I’m too big and I didn’t really believe her until sex between us started becoming a problem (she would always complain that I was in too deep) and I could feel and sense the discomfort. I’m happy to just do maintenance work in order to keep myself at the top of the bell curve in terms of pleasure as it relates to girth and length for “our” relationship.

I didn’t use a gauge on my pump when I restarted pumping close to 4 years ago because I like to play it by ear
Prior to that I had pumped intensively about 19 years ago; I was a young buck back then with plenty of testosterone so that may have been a factor in the equation; you know, I don’t even think they made pumps with gauges back then.
First time around (19 years ago) I pumped about 60 min and sometimes even as much as 120 min per day about 4-5 times per week and the intensity was such that I would keep pushing until I began to feel discomfort and then I would back off until I didn’t feel any discomfort and then push again until I did. This second time around Ive used mostly an ADS and Pump combo routine. Ive had a number of people ask me what my HGs are so I decided to put the gauge back on my pump and find out….

HGs are about 12-15. (Dont try this unless you are advanced and have a fully conditioned penis)
ADS/Pump routine was done 4-5 times per week and consisted of 6 to 8 hours of ADS (from 2 to 3 notches seen on the compression) immediately followed by massage and then 30-40 min in the tube. I highly recommend the Auto Extender head modification for the Penimaster otherwise use the complete Auto Extender if you don’t own a Penimaster.
In addition to this there was also light stretching and about 100-200 wet jelqs every time I was in the shower (roughly 14-21 times per week)

If you knew you could not fail...what would you attempt to do? Female Foot Fetish Current Stats: 5/4/10 8.5BPx6.0, 7.5NBP Achieved Goal and have been on maintenance program since


Sparkyx asked me to chime in. I don’t consider myself a “big gainer,” having racked up a mere 7/8” to 1” in nearly two years of PE.

I did get very good gains in the beginning, however. The newbie routine, with steadily increasing intensity, got me about 0.5” BPEL and 0.5” EG. I feel I really hit my stride when I was doing 500 jelqs per day, 5 days on, 2 days off. I’d throw in some intense squeezes during each workout, to break up the jelqing. I would also stretch on my workout days. I don’t think I ever stretched for more than 10 minutes at a time (I found it very boring and hard to do).

I briefly tried pumping, but didn’t stick with it long enough to see any real gains (although I really liked the feeling).

I started hanging about 2 weeks after receiving my pump. By this time, I was up to 5.75 EG and was starting to worry that my girth was growing too fast. I put the pump on the shelf and focused exclusively on length.

Hanging was a complete bust. I followed the then well-accepted LOT Theory, and, since my LOT was around 8 or 8:30, focused on low angles—somewhere between SD and BTC.

I started with 7# and didn’t gain. I quickly increased to 10# and didn’t gain. I hovered at around 15 to 17# and didn’t gain. At 25#, my dick was starting to look very calloused and discolored, and I still didn’t gain.

I hanged for about 6 months with zero results. Zero. I decided to take 2 months off. I relished my time off. I had felt like a prisoner to my Bib Hanger. It was a pleasure to be free.

Once my dick started to look nearly normal again (except for the discoloration, which did not fade), I resumed some light hanging. Following the “divide and conquer” principle, I hanged 10# OTL to the right with a fulcrum for a couple of weeks, then switched and did the same 10# OTL to the left. I went back and forth for about 2 months. I also switched hangers. I put my Bib Hanger in the drawer (too many bad memories) and built myself a Wenchette, which I immediately loved. I didn’t measure any BPEL gains, but my erection quality was not so great, so I can’t be sure the hanging was ineffective.

After that, it (finally) dawned on me that hanging was not the holy grail, at least not for me. Or, maybe I was just doing something wrong. Regardless, I switched over to Mem’s Momentous Routine—intense downward stretching with a fulcrum in the mornings, jelqing in the evenings. After a couple of months of that, I finally noticed some movement against the ruler. I picked up 1/4”! My EG edged up as well, taking me to 6” if not a little more.

I still wasn’t through with hanging, however. I believed I had discovered something by doing Mem’s routine. What I think I discovered is that there is a feeling that I associate with gains. That “feeling” is the same one that I get in my hamstrings when I stretch them. I put aside all thoughts of weight, and focused on getting that feeling with the Wenchette. I adjusted the side straps so that it would pull harder on the dorsal surface of my shaft than on the sides. I hanged SO, and tried to adjust my posture until I got that “feeling.” Then I would ride it out.

I lingered at 15# or so for a couple of months. But the feeling eventually become harder to get. So I increased the weight to 17.5. This caused a new eruption of discoloration, this time on the dorsal side, which happened immediately during a single set. I took the hanger off, and my dick was a different color. I was afraid that area would become dark permanently, so I stopped hanging that very day.

I again started jelqing, stretching, and edging. I didn’t follow Mem’s routine, however. I just did it all in a single session. I kept that up for a couple of weeks. At the end of that time, my best erection showed another 1/8 to 1/4” gain. That brings me to where I am today—about 1” longer and 1” fatter than I was 2 years ago.

Lessons learned:

1. Ignore the weight and shoot for the feeling. Sometimes, big weights just crush your dick. Go for the feeling, and get the most out of the weight you use

2. Don’t ignore jelqing. Jelqing is possibly the single best all-round PE exercise.

3. Find what works for you. Be careful about accepting any particular PE theory as gospel, clinging to it even after months of no gains.

Most of this information is best found in my progress log, which I am too lazy to link to or review now. There’s quite a bit of detail there, however, assuming you can keep your eyes open reading it.

Enter your measurements in the PE Database.

Last edited by ModestoMan : 04-26-2006 at .


My manual gains are 1.2” EL and 0.2” EG. I did a few minutes of LDP and helicopter stretches a day while taking a hot shower. For girth, I jelqued some 10 minutes a day. These gains all appeared in 3 months.

Then I plateaued. I’ts been 10 months. After a long conditioning ramp-up, pumping seems to have given me another measly 0.05 (yes, only 1/20) inch extra EG. I do occasional clamping, but I’ve seen some burst capillaries, and worry about discoloration.

The last two months, I’ve started hanging, but can’t bear more than 5lbs. It’s been sporadic, as I’ve had privacy problems lately. So far, no gains.


Start: 6.3 x 5.2 (Feb '05)

Now: 7.9 x 5.65 (gain 1.6 x 0.45) - SFL 8.6"

Goal: 8.5 x 6.0 - Currently trying: handclamp squeeze, O-bends. My data - Progress log

Hello Sparkyx,

I started making hanging gains with about 7.5 lbs for about four 20-minute sessions per day, if I recall correctly. I’ve never hung consistently more than 15 lbs, since I frequently end up taking extended PE breaks by accident (good for deconditioning, I guess). Currently I’m not too serious with PE, but this summer I plan on using a vacuum hanger and a pump to see if I can make some good gains. I get bored doing PE if I’m focused on the PEing, so I’ve avoided manual methods for the most part, even though I know they’re extremely effective for many guys. I like to be able to read or write or do something else while PEing.

Ok Sparky, first let me quote myself from this thread

Originally Posted by commanderblop
Hey Long77,
to get the gains seen in my pic I practiced primarily pumping with a bit of Jelqing and manual stretching, following Avocet’s excellent Vacuum Pumping 101 thread, at least for the first while.

After a few months my routine was:

5 minute warmup with rice sock
3-5 minutes manual stretching
8 minutes in tube at 3 inches of mercury
2-4 minutes Jelq at 70% erection
8-10 minutes in tube at 4iom
2-4 minutes Jelq at 70% erection
10-12 minutes in tube at 4iom
2-4 minutes Jelq at 70% erection
10-12 minutes in tube at 5iom

By the end, my total-time-in-tube was from 36 minutes up to an hour, if I did an extra set. I always warmed up, and always used a heating pad the whole time. I always entered the tube with an erection, and used porn and “milking the tube” in order to keep a hardon as best as I could while in-tube.

I did my routine 4-5 times a week. It was very time-consuming, so eventually I stopped with the pumping and focussed on light Jelqing for maintenence after 6 months. I am thinking of jumping into PE again soon.

My Before and After pics -- .5" gain...

Like Para-Goomba, I am currently not doing PE. But I will be resuming PE soon!

I haven’t yanked my cock for months, but do believe I gained over .5” in length permanently from the routine above. (I just measured last week and it has been months since I stopped PEing.)

Like you, I want to make sure I am going to be following a sensible regimen (when I resume), and have sought out the advice of other good gainers and researched good threads.

If you look at my Favorites, I have a section called BEST Threads Ever which has many threads much like this one…

Hope this helps! ;) (And let me know if you find threads like these I can add to my Favorites!)

PS: I wouldn’t really call myself a “good gainer”, but I know you wanted to hear my input. I hope these posts help. Good luck!

My Before and After pics -- .5" gain...

Last edited by commanderblop : 04-26-2006 at .
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