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Originally Posted by sparkyx
A69,

What wts and time did you get you most results from?

I see you have almost 2,000 posts and 3 years here…how is it I’ve never noticed your name until now…did you change it?


Yes. My previous username was Andrew69.
Its a long story :D

Anyway, I hung anywhere from 2.1 pounds up to 15 pounds (few days only)
My best gains (fastest rate) came from 25 June 2004 to 22 July 2004 when I hung SO fulcrum with 6.75 pounds for 68 sets for a total hang time of 1318 minutes, for a gain of 0.18 inches. (0.0819 inches per minute)

Prior to that I hung with weights up to 6.75 pounds SO, for 121 sets and a total of 2381 minutesm also for a gain of 0.18 inches (0.00453 inches per hour)
That means that when I added the fulcrum, I gained a whopping 18 times faster than without the fulcrum!

Oh, and one other tidbit of information to make people cry….it took me only 3 weeks to gain my first inch of length when I first started to PE!

Here’s a link to my post in the members picture forum where I posted a pic of my setup.

Thanks a lot! I am checking it out now! ;)


My Before and After pics -- .5" gain...

Originally Posted by sparkyx
Remek, thanks for the reply!

I totally agree with the above quote…except that some do very well from it.

I think, just like in body building…there is a wide range of responses to stress.

For some, perhaps the newbie routine isn’t enough stress to produce gains….these folks then begin to respond as they ramp up.

For some, its dead on right…they are the lucky ones that start to gain right away.

Then there are the UNLUCKY ones for whom the newbie routine is WAY too much.

These poor bastards….myself included…rarely gain, usually run into a shit load of trouble…and may NEVER gain!

Those in this last category, may either by luck or design,may back way down in their force/time and start to grow.

The problem is that if they first need a deconditioning break to see any growth, and don’t know that they need one…even a proper amount of force/time WILL NOT show results because they are still in a RECOVERY PHASE.

Anyway, the reason of this thread is that I am in the process of formulating a method of working up the ideal force/time for each individual…so guess work isn’t needed.

In doing so, I am trying to also get some force/time perimeters as starting points, hence the question of the thread….

at what force/time point did you first see growth, and when did it slow or stop?

Remek, how about you?

Sparx (like the beer),

Sorry I didn’t see this post til’ now. I like the way you think. You are an intellectual thinker… always looking for ways to help others gain. You have my admiration, that’s certain.

I have to agree with the statements above. Particualarly: Some men exercise too much in the beginning, even with the current newbie routine we have. This over-exercising (if we can call it that), can lead to many things. For one, it may cause an injury. Big or small, any injury is an unwanted one. It also might overly condition the penis, and make future gains really hard to go after.

I truly think that for many men less exercise is needed than we initially place on our penis. Perhaps, when I get some more free time, I will start a new thread with a newbie routine that I suggest. Or maybe we can make one here, together.

I have a lot of ideas and theories that I am building. I really haven’t had the time to act on these theories yet, because I am currently preoccupied with my book. Once that is out of the way, the I plan on digging into what I really love — the science behind PE. I’m a scientist at heart, and I know we have so much more to learn about PE.


TGC Theory | Who Says The Penis Isn't a Muscle?

"To leave the world a better place, to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived is to succeed." - Emerson

Originally Posted by sparkyx
I think one of the concepts that we need to get out there in order to do this is that if you are in the zone, you should see weekly growth.

Continued growth — my goal for every one of us.

I’ll tell you what I do know, or at least think. Continued growth isn’t a mysterious dream off in neverever ranch…err I mean land. It is possible. Guys it all lies within the deconditiong breaks. The decon does it all. The more, the merrier. Wait, not too many though. How many decon breaks should you take? And for how long?

Well, my advice is this: every 6-10 weeks (I say 8), take a 2 week or more break (these breaks should get progressively longer each time you take another one.)

For example,
An optimal program, IMO, and the program I am currently using would go:
8 - on
2 - off
8 - on
3 - off
8 - on
4 - off
8 - on
11 - off
This completes a full year.

And the most important part of any program should be progressively increased intensity. If you use the same amount of force forever, you’ll stop sooner or later — probabaly sooner. This progressive intensity should be a gradual increase and if at anytime you experience negative Physiologic Indicators (PIs) to help growth!, then you have increased too much.

I hope this helps sparky.


TGC Theory | Who Says The Penis Isn't a Muscle?

"To leave the world a better place, to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived is to succeed." - Emerson

Originally Posted by remek

I’m a scientist at heart…

Were you a scientist in reality, you’d not make recommendations without citing a basis for them.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by remek

The penis is approx 50 percent smooth muscle.

Reference please.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

A discussion concerning the role of smooth muscle, which veered off-topic in this thread, has been moved here.


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In the last 6 months, I’ve gained 0.5” in Girth and 0.25 in Length. Mostly from jelqing and clamping.

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