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sparkyx,

Thanks for the heads up about this thread. Intensity/force/time is a very critical issue in PE. I’ve done a lot of research on this topic myself, and I have formulated a few thoughts.

First, I think the penis reacts to stress the same way our other muscles do. When lifting weights at the gym, the concept is to start out light and work your way up. It is even documented that doing too much in the beginning is detrimental for future results. This is well represented in PE too.

Furthermore, many of the “good” work out plans in, can be observed as good work out plans in weight lifting too. Let me give you some examples.

1) Cyclic training is where you break your training into bulk cycles and deconditioning cycles. This is a very popular weightlifting regime. Additionally, many people use this in PE (MX, for example), and the popularity of DB (Decon Breaks) are on the rise. I also incorporated cycles into my guide, as I think Decon Breaks are very important.

2) Muscle confusion: Your muscles adapt to stress, and ultimately you hit a plateau. To avoid this in weightlifting, a popular technique is to constantly change everything - stress, weight, reps, sets, and exercises — in hopes to ensure continued adaptation. Sound familiar? Here, this can most commonly be known as the Peter Dick Method.

3) Progressive Overload: Continually increasing different parameters in your workout. This is by far the most popular way of exercising. Progressive Overload was also incorporated into my guide.

The thing with progressive overload is that you have to start out light, and always increase something. The increased increments does not have to be a lot. This is why starting out light will work for you ten-fold in the future. If at 4 weeks you are already working out 25-45 minutes, 5 days a week, then you don’t have much room to move up — thus, you hit a plateau, blaming it all on newbie gains.

Steady gains can easily be made, but they follow steady progress — or, progressive overload. Personally, I think our current “suggested newbie routine” is too much, and that is why many people hit a plateau quickly. Here is why: What we are doing is conditioning our penis. It is continually getting bigger by adapting to the stress we place on it. As a result, it gets stronger, and more resistant to the weight. So, if you start hitting clamping, Ulis, and other advanced exercises early on in your routine, then you have no where to go. You can’t move up in anything but time — your already at top level intensity.

And after 6 weeks, with the current beginners routine, the exerciser is already at 40 minutes of exercising, 5 days a week. Where does he have to go now? 40 minutes a day is already a lot, and he probably won’t want to move up in time.

I have to run, but that pretty much sums up my opinion on this topic.


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Originally Posted by remek
Personally, I think our current “suggested newbie routine” is too much, and that is why many people hit a plateau quickly. Here is why: What we are doing is conditioning our penis. It is continually getting bigger by adapting to the stress we place on it. As a result, it gets stronger, and more resistant to the weight. So, if you start hitting clamping, Ulis, and other advanced exercises early on in your routine, then you have no where to go. You can’t move up in anything but time — your already at top level intensity.

And after 6 weeks, with the current beginners routine, the exerciser is already at 40 minutes of exercising, 5 days a week. Where does he have to go now? 40 minutes a day is already a lot, and he probably won’t want to move up in time.

Remek, thanks for the reply!

I totally agree with the above quote…except that some do very well from it.

I think, just like in body building…there is a wide range of responses to stress.

For some, perhaps the newbie routine isn’t enough stress to produce gains….these folks then begin to respond as they ramp up.

For some, its dead on right…they are the lucky ones that start to gain right away.

Then there are the UNLUCKY ones for whom the newbie routine is WAY too much.

These poor bastards….myself included…rarely gain, usually run into a shit load of trouble…and may NEVER gain!

Those in this last category, may either by luck or design,may back way down in their force/time and start to grow.

The problem is that if they first need a deconditioning break to see any growth, and don’t know that they need one…even a proper amount of force/time WILL NOT show results because they are still in a RECOVERY PHASE.

Anyway, the reason of this thread is that I am in the process of formulating a method of working up the ideal force/time for each individual…so guess work isn’t needed.

In doing so, I am trying to also get some force/time perimeters as starting points, hence the question of the thread….

at what force/time point did you first see growth, and when did it slow or stop?

Remek, how about you?

But the penis isn’t a muscle.

-cockfactory

Without refering to my notes…

Total length gain of 2.25”, of which 2” remain with zero maintenance.Combination of manual exercises and fulcrum hanging

Total girth gain of 0.5”, 0.25” remains.

But did you only get those hanging gains after reducing the weight?

Edit: Sorry, wrong thread. But feel free to give an answer if you’d like.


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Originally Posted by ModestoMan

But did you only get those hanging gains after reducing the weight?

Edit: Sorry, wrong thread. But feel free to give an answer if you’d like.

Yes MM.

When I hung at the higher weights, although I fatigued easily, I experienced no gains.

Dropped the weight considerably, added a fulcrum, and hey presto, 0.3” in a month.

Interestingly, I then added a couple of pounds, and my gains stopped again!

Ive never really had any motivation to keep going after that. I mean, when you start at 5”, 7”+ is pretty damn big :D

Originally Posted by sparkyx
Great gains! Thanks A69!

Could you quantify thoses forces?


Thanks sparky.
I kept pretty concise notes. What exactly would you like to know?

A69: The fact that you added a fulcrum throws a new variable into the equation. A fulcrum placed under the shaft while hanging SO can really concentrate stress on the dorsal surface of the shaft. IMO, this is where one needs it most.

I don’t know whether dropping the weight and adding a fulcrum decreased or increased the stress seen on this part of your shaft. When you increased the weight and the gains stopped, where you still using a fulcrum?


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Originally Posted by ModestoMan

A69: The fact that you added a fulcrum throws a new variable into the equation. A fulcrum placed under the shaft while hanging SO can really concentrate stress on the dorsal surface of the shaft. IMO, this is where one needs it most.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by ModestoMan

I don’t know whether dropping the weight and adding a fulcrum decreased or increased the stress seen on this part of your shaft.

I think it increased the localized stress, while lowering the stress elsewhere, giving a sense of less fatigue overall.

Originally Posted by ModestoMan

When you increased the weight and the gains stopped, where you still using a fulcrum?

Yes.

Same setup (Hanging SO, fulcrum placed as close to the body as possible), just 31% more weight.

Maybe that was my downfall. Even though the extra weight I added was only 2.1 pounds, it was more than 30% more stress. Had I added only 10% more, perhaps my gains may not have stopped. I guess Ill never know for sure.

Over and over, I hear similar stories.

Growth…then up the force/time and growth stops.

I think it is a fine line between enough and too much.

I think we can develop a system to fine that “sweet spot”.

I think we can ascertain a “range” that will get most guys close, then accurate observations should get you IN it.

I think the big thing is to get the CONCEPT out in guys heads that there is a “sweet spot” that is enough to stimulate growth, but not so much that you get a survival reaction or toughening.

I think that it will probably turn out that you can’t stay in that spot forever, but strategic deconditioning will allow you to “re-use” it.

I further believe that if you are real careful with your forces, and watch your PIs closely, you will be able react quickly to indications of too much forces, thus reducing the decon time to a fraction of what we may now believe.

If you aren’t getting growth, yet continue to up the forces for another 6 months…it will be a far longer decon time needed than if you notice it on the 2nd day and drop the force/time immediately.

I think one of the concepts that we need to get out there in order to do this is that if you are in the zone, you should see weekly growth.

This will allow guys to notice much quicker when things aren’t right.

I think watching for contraction/reaction and erectile quality will allow you to notice it the same day.

Put that together with bpfl and you will KNOW whether you are on track or off.

Originally Posted by cockfactory
But the penis isn’t a muscle.

-cockfactory

A common misconception.

The penis is approx 50 percent smooth muscle.

It has been well documented that smooth muscle can grow due to hypertrophy. Obviously, we know that the penis can grow — or else we all wouldn’t be here. I’m telling you guys, the puddin’ lies within the SM.


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Originally Posted by sparkyx
Over and over, I hear similar stories.

Growth…then up the force/time and growth stops.

I think it is a fine line between enough and too much.

I think we can develop a system to fine that “sweet spot”.


First of all, excellent post sparky!
It really is like you read my mind on this subject :D

Originally Posted by sparkyx
I think the big thing is to get the CONCEPT out in guys heads that there is a “sweet spot” that is enough to stimulate growth, but not so much that you get a survival reaction or toughening.


Exactly.

Originally Posted by sparkyx
I think one of the concepts that we need to get out there in order to do this is that if you are in the zone, you should see weekly growth.


Early on in my PE “career” I was gaining at an incredible rate. Ill have to check my notes to be anywhere near accurate in quoting figures, but I definitely saw substantial growth weekly.
I honestly couldnt see what all the fuss was about. Growing you dick was easy!!

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