More thoughts on how growth occurs.
“If you are not gaining, are you using heat? (Don’t tell anyone, it’s a secret….. heat is the secret ingredient!). ” I really like your signature!
I’m not sure if you’ve read any of my replies before firegoat, but I believe that the principles of physical therapy are basically the underlying principles to PE. Heat is obviously one of them.
While searching for any mention of physical therapy on this site I came across a reply by you. I think that you mentioned that you do work in the physical therapy field.
If so, what are your thoughts about the permanent elongation callagen fibers. Do you believe that microtrears must be created in order for permanent elongation to occur?
It is an enormously complex question and does not have any ‘proven’ answers. So what I say is hypothetical.
My belief is that the body will adapt to a stress placed on it.
Microtears will create scar tissue, which is relatively inflexible and has poor bloodflow. Collagenous tissue makes up a large amount of the total tissue in the human body and comes in very many forms. Scar tissue collagen would not be my choice for creating a larger penis; an extra 2 inches created from scar tissue would not be a healthy penis to have.
Even when the microtear theory was the only one out there to explain enlargement, guys were growing bigger dicks without using ADS etc. Because scar tissue contracts as it matures it should cause shortening unless it is never allowed to contract. Perhaps consistency in routine would enable the scar tissue to heal at ‘full length’, or to limit the development of cross-linkages within the tissue as it formed, allowing a nice parallel fibre network, but that would be good at resisting further elongation, so again, not a sensible theory/methodology to employ.
I think frequency and consistency of routine is important for another reason, other than the scar tissue theory. Collagen is a highly adaptive tissue (which is why there are so many forms of it). If you regularly place a load on it, it will find ways to accommodate that stress.
Place too great a load on it, and it will get tougher to resist potential damage.
Place load/stress on it which is toward the upper end of it’s elastic range, and it will think it requires more ability to stretch, so it will increase its elastin component, allowing more stretch. This explains ‘newbie gains’ which appear fast but disappear when PE is stopped.
It also explains why, if you start, for example, clamping, and measure the expansion you get in the clamp, the first week or two you will not get a great deal of expansion. After a couple of weeks when the elastin response has kicked in, you get far more expansion. I use clamping as an example only because it is an easy exercise to obtain consistent measurement with, and also because I found that sub-maximal pressures, within the ‘elastic’ range created this response better than high pressures which are more likely to create micro-tears or toughening.
This is of course my experience; different men may need different levels (higher or lower) to create the appropriate level of adaptation, just as tendon or ligament (other, more commonly studied collagenous tissue) strength varies between people.
However, with consistency, because the penis has ‘other’ functions to perform apart from just stretching, once the new elastin has reached a proportion where the tissue is too elastic, the collagen may convert to a more stable form, creating a plateau when no new growth is experienced. If at this point intensity is increased to try to overcome the plateau, the collagen will toughen up and new gains will become much harder to stimulate. If PE is maintained at a ‘normal’ level during the plateau for a while, gains can be consolidated so that they are not lost when PE is stopped.
At this point a deconditioning break can safely be taken without losing gains, and without having ‘toughened’ the penis. All body tissue has ‘memory’ to some degree, so it will quickly re-adapt to a state it has been in previously, if it is to it’s benefit to do so. This is why it is not good to allow ‘toughening’ to take place; the penis will re-condition and the collagen become tough again very quickly.
After a deconditioning break, the whole process may be begun again.
These are my thoughts, in layman’s terms, on the likely processes involved.
These days I don’t get too involved in the ‘scientific’ threads on the subject, even though that’s what drew me to Thunder’s Place initially. There are many here with scientific/medical knowledge who would like to be seen as ‘PE Pioneers’, or ‘definitive voices’ on certain subjects. I am not one of them and do not put forward my hypotheses as points for argument, nor do I have any wish to fight for their validity.
I just try to help answer guys questions as pragmatically as I can.
PE is a blend of art and science at this point in its development and many (even most) techniques seem to work if consistency is maintained, making it harder still to pin down the ‘best’ methods. There is much empirical information on Thunder’s Place and much of it points in the same direction as to what works.
The science is interesting, and maybe one day it will pin down the most efficient methods of PE, but I think it will be like science in sports: although sporting records continue to be broken with the help of modern scientific methods, a hundred metre sprinter or weight lifter now will be superior, but not vastly superior to his ancient Olympic counterpart.
You asked for my thoughts, Kojack, and that is all these are, not an attempt at an answer to the question. As I’ve typed that much, I hope you won’t mind me posting this as a new thread, quoting your original PM, so others can read it for what it is worth.
(I’m going to be presumptuos of your answer and do so, but will take out your PM if you object)!
All the best,