Last ounce of effort with pe

Man when it rains it pours, I have tried everything and that = nothing as usual. I recently thought from day to day, well if I can’t get any length gains from hanging or any other exercise, then I know I can at least get some girth gains from horses. But no, I can’t do them right I’ve tried numerous times, and can’t do it. I grab around the base, and try to squeeze the head, and from there I am totally lost. I don’t know if I am properly retaining the blood or not. I read guys saying that the shaft balloons up while performing horses, sh%*&t I can’t get this dam thing to increase a quarter of an inch in girth while performing them.

That is when I just about lost it, I am so depressed and angry at the same time. I don’t know whether I should cry or punch a hole in my bathroom wall. 2 yrs ago I jelqued night and day, now I hang with a pvc homemade bib for last 4 months and my results nothing. So I figure, do some horses gain some girth first, but nope I can’t do them.

I feel like a loser sometimes, when I read newbies saying how they have gained a half in. in only 2 months. I’ve been doing this so much longer and don’t have sh@#$t to show for it. The last time I was down everyone picked me up, and I appreciated it a lot. And I’m not trying to get everybody to attend my pity party, but this shit is really starting to piss me off. I feel I’m giving it my all and some, and can’t get a dam 1/4 of an inch.

Maybe I’m cursed to have a small 5 1/2 in. nbel dick, it stands in my way so bad. I’m sure I could have lots of girls, but in the back of my mind I think what if I’m too little or can’t fill her up. I can just about swear I’d rather be ugly with a big dick. We always talk about “does size matter?” Do fu#*king birds fly, I am measley 5 1/2 x 5 1/8 and ashamed of it. I’m sorry guys but if your less than 6 1/2 bpel we are midgets in the real world, unless your girlfriend is a midget also. Girls can say what they want, “oh honey you’re fine the way you are, it’s big enough for me.” But if your size falls in the above category, they are pulling your leg and i’m not speaking of the middle one. I feel like minime playing in the NBA.

So to make a long story short, I am going to buy a bib starter and if that doesn’t do it I’ll probably quit forever. Thanks for hearing out my depressing ass speech. :horse:

A man’s desire to have a bigger unit, is not to be taken lightly. I’ve attained quite a number of material items over the years, and I’d give it all up cars and all for an inch in length or girth. I’m so pissed with my unit I feel like tying a rope to it and bungi jumping to jump start some gains.

T-rex

Forget about the horse if you cant do it right, do a some squeezes instead, jelq for 5 min until your at least 80 to 90 percent erect. Now kegel and grab the base if the blood is not trapped kegel and grab until your penis is full. Now while you holding the base with one hand take the other hand palm down and squeeze your dick you should be squeezing with your finger and thumb in a OK sign. Hold the squeeze for 10 seconds and do it again in a different spot hold for ten seconds, release your dick do some jelqs and repeat the squeezes. Mix the jelqs and squeezes in for about 30 min, work up to it they take alot out of your dick and exercises with your penis erect tends to be more dangerous with that said good luck, keep positive and gains will come.

Dino

I feel your pain, man. I did a lot of reading and learned how to max out the foreplay to compensate for a little dick. I have never had a woman complain, as most guys seriously lack in the art of foreplay. BUT, those thoughts are always there- haunting me constantly every time I hook up with a new woman. Get a Bib and try it. I have gone from 5.25 BPEL to 5.75 in less than a month with my BS. I was REAL skeptical about hanging weights from the end of my dick, but I have to take 3-4 days off at the end of this week and will be going through SERIOUS withdrawal. I am totally and completely convinced that hanging is the key. Just start light and don’t get frustrated. The biggest thing I noticed in these first 3 weeks is how much ‘retracted’ skin I have from being around 2” flaccid all my life. I have so many stretch marks on my dick it isn’t even funny, but I am glad to be going through this. I already hang a little better flaccid, but still get the retraction back to tiny every now and then. Go for the Bib, man- you won’t be dissapointed!

Don’t give up. I am a slow gainer myself. I did the manuel stuff for many months with no gains at al. I understand that you would love to have the measly .85” I have gotten. It has taken me almost 2 years of hanging weights, 10+ hours a day. If it wasn’t for hanging I would not be able to get a bigger dick. When some new guy complains that he has “only” gained 1 inch in 3 months just ignore him. I believe that everyone has the potential for gains. Some guys respond fast, and to almost any form of PE. Others take a long time and have to find just the right combo of things. Lots of guys credit their gains to hanging, if $ does not prevent you get, or build, a bib.

Some of the fast gainers would not have gotten a bigger dick if they had to stick it out the way you have. I had to be hard core to make this work for me. I started out a bit bigger than you did, so I will asume you have even more motivation. From what you have gone through to get a bigger one it is obvious that you are serious and dedicated. I know that you would love to get +2 inches, but would be ecstatic at a .5” gain.

My personal experience: Over 2 years of PEing, rescheduling my whole f*cking life around it. 10+ hours hang time per week, add in time between sets, getting the bib on and off, etc., more like 16+ hours per week. Almost getting caught hanging time after time, nearly having my hanger found a time or two. Time spent getting my ADS on and off, the hassle of wearing the thing, altering my wardrobe to accommodate it. Almost getting caught with the damn thing on. The list goes on and on. All for a gain of only .85”

Worth it? …..damn right

keep the faith and hang in there.

My bet is that you’re working your unit using long sessions—at least an hour—and taking few days off. I say this because you sound desperate for gains and because some people react to lack of results by working harder. Have you ever considered the idea that the manual exercises have not worked because you were overdoing it?

I can almost guarantee that you have not tried “everything.” Have you ever tried following a one on-one off schedule doing only jelqing and manual stretching for one half hour? If you have, then what about a one on-two off routine?

The routines designed by the people on this list are not the products of careful experimentation. No one knows why they use a five on-two off routine, other than the fact that it produces gains for a few people for a short period of time. I firmly believe you, like many other non-gainers, have been overtraining. What would possess you to jelq “day and night?!”

It never fails to astound me that people will accept the fact that they need rest to grow, but adopt routines that have few rest days and extra-long sessions. Such routines, I believe, are responsible for growth plateaus and injuries.

As far as your size goes, it is not permanent unless you give up. I was smaller than you when I first started. I was laughed at the first and last time I ever showed a girl my penis a year ago. So forgive me if I don’t feel sorry for you.

My advice is to cut out the “horse squeezes” and hanging. There is no proof that either will effect more gains than jelqing and stretching. Anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong. And, you should try drastically reducing the amount of time you spend training. I recommend no more than a half hour, three days a week.

I don’t completely agree with walter on this one. Cutting out squeezes and girth pursuit for now yes, 5 1/8 ain’t too shabby, but definitely do not discard hanging. Maybe there isn’t actual proof hanging provides more gains than manual stretching, but would you rather walk up stairs for twenty minutes or take the escalator?

Another thing, look at jelktoid’s testimony. Two inches in 8 mos. He started from similar measurements as yourself.

I have gained 1/2 inch in 3 weeks and my dick is about the same size as Trex. Hanging is the only way to go IMHO :)

T-rex,

I have jelqed for 8 months with nothing to show for my efforts but discolouration. I am waiting it out now but intend to return one day and hopefully reap the benefits of a long lay off.

Don’t get me wrong though… I am having a hard time believing that guys are making any gains at all but I want to believe it is true. Maybe it isn’t maybe it is… you owe it to yourself and I owe it to myself to insure, without a shadow of a doubt, that we did everything humanly possible to perform the exercises CORRECTLY in the healthiest environment possible for growth.

Do you smoke? If you do then stop… who the %@6k cares if someone else smokes and gains. Maybe, just maybe this is the limiting factor for YOU. Obviously, I don’t know whether you smoke or not but you get my drift. Maybe you need to make some personal lifestyle changes. BTW, hows your sleep?

Also, I read some of your past posts and the thing that jumped out at me was your ex sneaking in comments about having had bigger than you. This is obviously eating away at you like cancer.
I am bigger than you but have heard far worse comments that have affected me badly for the greater part of my life. For sanity’s sake you have to remove yourself from contact with her if you have not already done so.

For peace of mind you have to take a step back and relax. You cannot grow under stress including self-induced stress. I believe that stress was a limiting factor in my case as well. Take a break and just read up on the basics.

If you need diet or exercise advice then ask away. I’m sure others will chime in if only to argue a point but you’ll benefit from any exchange. Diet is key I believe but secondary to proper execution of the exercises.

I do not mean to be a prick but you mentioned that you had difficulty in performing the horses like everyone else. Are you 100% sure you were performing the other manual exercises correctly? Perhaps when you were doing your manual exercises you were overtraining or performing the techniques incorrectly.

For example, 2in2002 posted this thread that refers to another thread which addresses the proper way to do Jai stretches:
A Little Different Johan AI Stretch
This type of qualitative analysis allows us to learn. I for one was pulling too hard.

After all, it was only recently that MagnumXL chimed in to say that layoffs produced results and other members stated that manual exercises required many more rest days than was previously realized. For crying out loud… if someone CAN REALLY GAIN 1/4" IN LENGTH FROM JELQING then by God I will too! Sorry about the rant but I am in a bloody, murderous rage about this shit.

I, like you, believe that hanging should be the last resort. It sounds to me like you need to return to the drawing board. You need to figure out if you truly have exhausted every possibility with respect to the manual exercises. If you gained 3/8 of an inch in base girth from hanging then it has to be possible for you to gain girth from manual exercises.

If truly not, then you could replace your homemade with a real BIB and give it another go. (I read your post which referred to grabbing the internal penis as opposed to just skin).

I apologize if I assume too much but you make me think of myself in the future if manual exercises truly fail me and I have to resort to hanging.

PM me if there is any way that I can help or if you simply want to discuss anything,

TORSO

To T-rex and walter

I am addressing this to both of you because my reply is applicable to both your posts.

T-rex,

The first thing that you need to realize is that everyone is different. Not everyone will make quick gains. I have had an exceptional 8 months. But, I’ll tell you this - IT WAS 8 MONTHS OF HARD WORK. I put in up to 6 hours per day on PE. That’s right - PER DAY. After reading damned near every post on this forum, the one common denominator that I was able to pick out was TIME & EFFORT. The guys that made the big gains put in the big time. I know that not everyone has the capability to put in a lot of hours. But, like anything else, PE takes effort. As a matter of fact, I am hanging as I type this. You should be prepared to put in a least 2 hours per day if you really want to get somewhere. Also, like Bib, I began to see much better results when I started hanging more than 15 lbs. Until you get over 10 lbs., you are just conditioning your dick in my opinion. I started out jelqing and stretching and gained about a half inch in length and a full inch in girth (hence the name - Jelktoid). But, the more I learned, I became convinced that I was basically stretching everything out, but not really adding new tissue. I think that long-term jelqers who put in a lot of time will get tissue growth (guys like Doublelongdaddy). However, getting things stretched out is great and does translate to more size. However, if you haven’t kept at it for a while, things will shrink back. Get the Bib starter and give it 2 hours a day for 6 months. I’ll bet you will see results.

walter,

You wrote:

>My advice is to cut out the “horse squeezes” and hanging. There is no proof that either will effect more gains than jelqing and stretching. Anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong. And, you should try drastically reducing the amount of time you spend training. I recommend no more than a half hour, three days a week.<

You may be right, but I doubt it. I did way better from hanging than from jelqing. I totally disagree about the time. T-rex is a hard gainer. Short routines will not work for him - he’s already tried. One thing that I can say for sure - he may get some miniscule gains from a half hour 3 days a week, but nothing near what he wants. And, don’t tell me that he would be happy gaining anything - even 1/4 inch. That’s bullshit. He wants at least an inch and he won’t get that unless he puts in the time and effort.

JT

I agree with walter on this one.

Definitely rest more. It is extremely odd that most here agree that rest is where growth happens yet most here advocate some kind of routine with little resting.

Personally, I have found day on day off works very well - its like getting that magical layoff every other day! Imagine that.

I think why most here overtrain, and that is what they are doing, is because of the desire and impatience for results. That and pe can be addictive. I never really gained doing 7 days a week, 6 days, or even 5 on 2 off (I did gain a little with this but I interspersed it with day on, day off which I believe caused the gaining). But every other day and I’m gaining steadily. You can still train hard on that day (and I agree a half hour or less every other day is perfect or even three times a week is perfect).

One other thing about this is that your unit will always be ready to rock - no more jelq impotence hangover from daily sessions.

One other thing - watch your carbohydrate intake. Not just simple carbs or junk food but complex carbs too. Eating too many carbohydrates (which is the diet recommended in the US) wrecks the body’s hormone system and metabolism. You still want to eat carbs (pasta, whole grains, rice, potatoes, etc) just cut them way down. Start with cutting them in half. Eat lots of non starchy veggies. And don’t be afraid to eat saturated fat. Your body needs it. Any other diet recommendations are just kooky.

If you want a great book on the whole mechanism on this, check out Life Without Bread. You can actually still have bread just much less. This diet (actually, its not a diet, its the way healthy humans have been eating for many thousands of years) will get your sex and growth hormones to stabilize and allow the perfect environment for growth and repair to occur. In addition to correcting everything else. I recommend this book over similar atkins type books because it has good science and research to back it up and small amounts of carbs are encouraged.

Anyways, don’t give up. Just consider that what you are doing doesn’t work. Resolve to find a way that works. Pushing harder is not gonna make anything happen. Try a different way.

The way I’m recommending actually gives you time to have a life and lose the dick obsession. And your dick might get bigger as a curious side effect.

Jelktoid,

I cannot know whether or not T-Rex tried reducing his time on PE. If he didn’t gain from three days a week, then he might be able to gain from two days a week!

I gained a 1/4” in the month of September doing a one on-one off, just jelqing and manual stretching for thirty minutes. I’ve tried long extended routines. After the iniatial 1/8” gain, I hit would always hit a plateau. For months, I struggled trying to gain and, for months, I gained jack shit. I worked up to six hours a day sometimes, and seven day a week. So, why is it I gained after cutting back on my routine?

I am willing to bet that this person’s problem is not that he is performing the exercises wrong. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out how to squeeze and stretch a dick. I believe he is working too hard. When I got greedy for gains, like he seems to be, I stopped gaining due to overtraining. I made my best gains the first month when I was only doing 15 minutes of jelqing a day.

This month I am going to try a one on-two off.

hmm i sometimes wonder about the whole rest day issues. It seems to me that most of the guys gaining DO put in lots of time and effort. Which makes sense since we arent working a muscle, instead we are stretching it. I don’t know if I’m in a similar situation to T-REX i’ve been at it for almost 4 months now and am not 100% sure I’m gaining. My measurements fluctuate, but my unit does look longer and thicker than when i started. I’ve measured gains of 1/4 - 1/2 BP length but I’m always feeling like I haven’t gained anything. Only time will tell, for me I’ll stick with the manual stuff till the year end. Hopefully by then I’ll have time to move onto hanging since it seems thats where the real gains come if one has the time. Take jelktoids advice and hang throughout the day if you can but be smart about it. Get that bib and if you have the time utilize the knowledge contained on these forums and I’m sure you will gain! It might be hard work but in the end its worth it!

Sorry guys, but I don’t think rest is the answer unless you reach a plateau. We aren’t exercising muscle here, we are stretching out connective tissue- so the standard exercise advice of 3-4 days a week does not apply. The bottom line is you will gain more length with hanging than any other method- and it shouldn’t be looked at as a last resort. From what I have read, there a very few injuries associated with hanging- most of the injuries are from stretching and jelquing when discussing the basic options. The more advanced exercises carry more risk, but those that use them have been doing this a long time and know what they are doing.

Walter is correct in that we don’t have a deep knowledge base on what ratio of on:o ff is best. If the connective tissue in my dick is the same as in the rest of my body then scientifically one should not take any time off, as connective tissue begins to heal/scar up in 8 hours. Patients in physical therapy are expected to do range of motion stretches several times a day after an injury or a surgery so the connective tissue doesn’t have a chance to begin to scar and reduce range of motion. The costant stress on the connective tissue keeps it elastic in these patients.

I do think there is something to taking a longer period of time off at a plateau, but I will never buy that the guy doing 1 on 2 off or 1 on 1 off will gain as fast as someone working every day assuming all variables in the exercise routine are the same. It just doesn’t make sense from a physiological point of view. Maybe the penis is to be treated differently than the rest of the body, but I somehow doubt that these tissues are any different than the ligaments and other fascia in the body.

As to the carbohydrate misinformation you are giving out despite what most PhD’s and MS’s in the world agree to as an appropriate amount of carbohydrate- all I can say is there are a few guys out there selling books because the quick weight loss routine using low carbs and high protein works. What they don’t tell you is why it works. As you body becomes accustomed to metabolizing protein, it cannot tell the difference between muscle tissue and the protein you are eating. So, a lot of the weight loss is not only in fat, but your body also eats away its’ own muscle tissue.

I am happy for people to do what they feel is right for them, but I would be hesitant to recommend a given diet to others unless the mechanisms of human metabolism are well understood. My 2 cents worth :)