Thunder's Place

The big penis and mens' sexual health source, increasing penis size around the world.

Knowing whether you are limited by Dorsal Thickening/Septum

Originally Posted by vdcdvvv
Buck’s fascia.


“Buck’s Fascia
The Buck’s fascia is a fibroelastic continuous membrane that encases the corpora cavernosa and the corpus spongiosum. It is composed of loose connective tissue with numerous blood vessels and peripheral nerve bundles running within and beneath it.”
http://flylib.com/books/en/2.953.1.44/1/

What this has to do with penis enlargement surgery?

Originally Posted by marinera
http://flylib.com/books/en/2.953.1.44/1/

Look at fig. Figure 38.21 :
“Cross section of the penis illustrating both corpora cavernosa ( CC ), each surrounded by the tunica albuginea ( TA ); they form the septum of the penis by their junction in the median plane.
A shallow groove that marks their junction on the upper surfaces lodges the deep dorsal vein of the penis ( DV )

The septum is not ‘a cord’. The cord you are feeling, according to the above description, is the dorsal vein. You are imagining that it is your limiting factor.

Look here too:
http://www.anatomyatlases.org/Micro…late14277.shtml
and note: “..the pectinate septum, which is thickest and most complete near the root of the penis.” Everybody who speaks about this cord says the adverse: that is most noticeable near the glans. This confirms that they mistaken the septum with the dorsal vein.

Beside that, being the septum simply the place where the CC are fused, what directly pushing on it with a thin object should accomplish? That doesn’t make any sense.

We were draping the penis over a narrow diameter “dowel”, because of the stresses on the radius it would cause. It’s not the pressure of the radius on the underside of the penis, but the forces on the otherside of the penis, which should cause localized stretch on the area opposite of the dowel… The septum.

Learned this in mechanical engineering.

I move my dowel up 10 or so points up and down the penis shaft. Applying heat on the other side. After I’ve spent a hour or so fulcrum hanging, I do a “long hang” which is just a BTC hang.

This BTC hang feels and looks slightly longer than a BTC hang without the fulcrum work.

Summer of 2010, I was stuck on PE gains and I was able to eke out an additional 6/16” when I had been stuck for a year. I attributed most of that gain to fulcrum hanging.

In any case it’s something that should be looked into because it just may work on you.

Originally Posted by vdcdvvv
…But [marinera] I’m not entirely clear on what you’re saying. Are you implying that you don’t believe that hanging is effective?

He’s saying that we’re too lazy to do the work that PE requires so we’ve invented an imaginary problem that basically can’t be solved to justify our laziness and inability to make gains. In short, he’s ignoring all anecdotal evidence that dozens of members have contributed regarding this issue.

Originally Posted by marinera
http://flylib.com/books/en/2.953.1.44/1/

Look at fig. Figure 38.21 :
“Cross section of the penis illustrating both corpora cavernosa ( CC ), each surrounded by the tunica albuginea ( TA ); they form the septum of the penis by their junction in the median plane.
A shallow groove that marks their junction on the upper surfaces lodges the deep dorsal vein of the penis ( DV )

The septum is not ‘a cord’. The cord you are feeling, according to the above description, is the dorsal vein. You are imagining that it is your limiting factor.


I would like to make a small concession to you. We have always talked about this structure as a cord and perhaps this has been misleading to us all. However, it is convinient to continue to refer to it as a cord. I think most of the people here (obviously not you) agree that this ‘cord’ is in fact the septum and for people with the ‘cord’ the junction of the CC chambers has for some reason become far tougher and less elastic than the rest of the nearby structures.

So no, it is not technically a cord, but we will continue to refer to it as such for convinience, possibly at the expense of clarity. You can link us to anatomical pictures till your blue in the face, they don’t prove anything since it’s not so much a matter of some people having the cord and others not, it’s a matter that for some people the septum is especially tough, which feels like a cord, while for others it’s not. An anatomical illustration probably won’t look any different for someone who feels the cord or not.

Originally Posted by marinera

and note: “..the pectinate septum, which is thickest and most complete near the root of the penis.” Everybody who speaks about this cord says the adverse: that is most noticeable near the glans. This confirms that they mistaken the septum with the dorsal vein.

I haven’t seen anyone who’s said the cord is the most noticeable near the glans. For me it is equally noticeable all the way along my penis and into the base where the inner penis resides. I’m now going to take some photos to see if I can’t show you the impact of the cord on erect bending.

Originally Posted by Alrdybig
Hey shortshorts. I think others have mentioned dorsal thickening as a “cord on the top” of the penis because it literally is more towards the top of the penis than it is the middle or bottom. …..


Alrdybig - Knowing whether you are limited by Dorsal Thickening/Septum

Originally Posted by Tweaking
…..
I would like to make a small concession to you. We have always talked about this structure as a cord and perhaps this has been misleading to us all. However, it is convinient to continue to refer to it as a cord. I think most of the people here (obviously not you) agree that this ‘cord’ is in fact the septum and for people with the ‘cord’ the junction of the CC chambers has for some reason become far tougher and less elastic than the rest of the nearby structures.

….


The difference isn’t just a matter of how you call it. If you feel it as a cord and you believe it is limiting your gains, once you become aware that there isn’t any cord what remains?

Look that the place where the septum penctiniforme is really different than the other parts of tunica is on the ventral side, not the dorsal; on the ventral side the septum is a bundle of vertical elastic bands arranged like like the teeth of a comb - actually, that’s the meaning of ‘penctiniforme’; so it is very elastic and can’t be the limiting factor of anything.

On the dorsal side, CC just fuse together and there isn’t anything suggesting that where the CC meet together they can’t be stretched more than the remaining part of the dorsal tunica - actually, that would make about no sense : imagine your penis being stretched on the sides and remaining contracted at the middle, its shape would become very weird.

Tweaking, just curious what you think of the idea of doing 15 minutes or so of extra high intensity fulcrum/v/a stretching using the higher forces we can do manually (vs hanging), followed by extender for several hours. You think this still would never cut it for you as alterative to fulcrum hanging? I just wonder if it might not be possible to have the same ultimate effect just from different means as hanging (ie same amount of time spent with dick/septum stretched out amount that induces growth).

I do not think the strength of the cord is the same for everyone, so you for, if you think it’ll work, then maybe it will. For me, no way. PE is largely concerned with creating plastic deformations (e.g. elongations that don’t revert back to the normal size when the force is removed, as is the case with an elastic band). What I have found is that the cord is, like the rest of the penis, elastic.

So to plasticly deform it, we first have to stretch it out to its maximum stretched size. The problem is, to even get it to its maximum stretched size requires an enormous amount of force; and it takes even more force to actually try to get plastic deformation. Basically I think that any amount of force that is lower than the force required to stretch the cord to its natural limit will basically have no effect on it, in terms of plastically elongating it.

Which leads me to your question. Personally, I know I couldn’t exert enough consistent force by hand for even a 5 minute set. If you can, then great. But I’d question whether any manual stretching could be considered ‘extra high intensity’. Extenders on the other hand work on the principle of a low amount of force for a very long time. I believe that, at least for me, the force an extender exerts is simply not enough to even stretch the cord to its natural limit, so they do nothing (for me at least).

I tend to believe that elongation - of this highly collagenous cord thingy at least - does not occur in some ambiguous ‘healing phase’ that occurs some time after you’ve done your routine. I believe it occurs while your stretching.

All that being said though, your idea is a good one, I’d just stick with heated fulcrum hanging rather than doing it manually. Wearing an extender after a few good sets of heated fulcrum hanging may very well help in getting the cord to grow longer. I would try it, if I could be bothered.

Originally Posted by Tweaking
I do not think the strength of the cord is the same for everyone, so you for, if you think it’ll work, then maybe it will. For me, no way. PE is largely concerned with creating plastic deformations (e.g. elongations that don’t revert back to the normal size when the force is removed, as is the case with an elastic band). What I have found is that the cord is, like the rest of the penis, elastic.

So to plasticly deform it, we first have to stretch it out to its maximum stretched size. The problem is, to even get it to its maximum stretched size requires an enormous amount of force; and it takes even more force to actually try to get plastic deformation. Basically I think that any amount of force that is lower than the force required to stretch the cord to its natural limit will basically have no effect on it, in terms of plastically elongating it.

Which leads me to your question. Personally, I know I couldn’t exert enough consistent force by hand for even a 5 minute set. If you can, then great. But I’d question whether any manual stretching could be considered ‘extra high intensity’. Extenders on the other hand work on the principle of a low amount of force for a very long time. I believe that, at least for me, the force an extender exerts is simply not enough to even stretch the cord to its natural limit, so they do nothing (for me at least).

I tend to believe that elongation - of this highly collagenous cord thingy at least - does not occur in some ambiguous ‘healing phase’ that occurs some time after you’ve done your routine. I believe it occurs while your stretching.

All that being said though, your idea is a good one, I’d just stick with heated fulcrum hanging rather than doing it manually. Wearing an extender after a few good sets of heated fulcrum hanging may very well help in getting the cord to grow longer. I would try it, if I could be bothered.

This is the spirit in attacking this particular issue. I’m motivated to go after it again. Like I said, heated fulcrums gave me 6/16” of gain over a 2.5 month period.

There were periods of low EQ, but the BPFSL and BPEL grew.

I’m not sure if this information is already out there but today I figured out a great way to really stress the dorsal side (septum).

I’ve been pretty focused on stretching that area because I have an upward curve and I think if I can relax it a bit I can get some new growth to start. Don’t get me wrong, I like my upward curve, but I’m willing to sacrifice some of it to get more gains!

Anyways, I was reading the big RSDT (rice sock duct tape fulcrum) thread over on the bibhanger forums and was interested in the part where you make a little “valley” in the rice sock to allow your dick to fit right in it so the septum won’t “slide around” like it does when you do downward fulcrums with a flat object.

I’ve been having the same problems with my manual stretches, but I didn’t really feel like making a new fulcrum to use because it’s much easier to use my hands. Initially I cupped my hand to form a little “valley” while I did a straight-out stretch and it worked pretty well. Definitely felt more of a stretch than when the “cord” slides around on a flat fulcrum. Then I started making the valley smaller and smaller by closing my hand, and the stretch got even better. Then I realized all I need to do is just squeeze my dingus laterally in order to hold the “cord” in place for stretching.

I felt an AMAZING stretch when doing this. These are my exact steps:

1. Stretch dingus straight out OR straight down

2. Reach down with your other hand (PALM FACING DOWN) and squeeze your dingus laterally using your index and thumb (vary the intensity of the squeeze until you find the perfect level)

3. Use your ring and pinky fingers to pull UP lightly on your shaft while holding the squeeze

4. Enjoy the stretch

It will take some experimentation to get it right. I’m not sure if there is an “optimum” location on the shaft to squeeze, just try different places until it feels good. I usually squeeze a little below my circ scar.

Sorry for the long explanation, I’m just pretty excited and wanted to tell the story, lol. I think I will be using these in my routine from now on. Today will be a break day but I will be experimenting with this stretch sporadically.

I hate my genetics.

I have this cord.

I have zero gains in 10 years of PE.

I tried to hang with a bib hanger but discovered after a year of that that I cannot hang and gain because the soft tissues of my dick are very susceptible to injury and the cord of my dick is extremely tough. Result? I have injuries - scar tissues from the hanger and zero gains.

IR lamp does nothing for me.

My dick does not even hang “normally” when flaccid because the cord is sort of holding it back so it sort of flips either side (I can’t explain right). A normal dick when soft to me looks like a water filled or fat filled tube which sort of just moves freely as the man moves - but mine is not like that - mine is like a piece of sinew which is shorter at the front / dorsal side and it is so unbelievable disheartening. My flaccid has the glans kind of pulled back also where the cord is holding it back.

Do you guys know what it is like to have friends around you gaining 2 and 3 and more inch’s - even within months and me not being able to gain a single 1/10 of an inch in years of trial and error? It makes me feel sick in my stomach with a combination of fear and dread and humiliation and self hatred.

My dick has a fairly high erection angle, and is sort of banana shaped due to the cord.

My cord is very easy to find and grab when getting hard and is also very easy to find and grab when absolutely flaccid - I can pinch separate that cord from the soft meaty tissues underneath. My cord is more like an “T” and runs from the glans right down the middle and top of my dick to the pubic bone and there it divides and goes underneath and goes into my pelvic bone somewhere where it originates.

So since my cord goes under and right into my pelvic bone at the anatomical origination points I can make a fairly safe estimate that I was born this way.

My flaccid stretched length is shorter than my erect length fractionally - or maybe exactly the same.

I have had zero, nil, nothing, no gains in length at all.

I just took a ruler to my totally flaccid dick and pinch separated the cord from the rest of the tissues and it is like an Achilles tendon and measures approximately 1” (one whole inch) across the width. The depth I guess is similar by the feel of it. This cord runs along the top of my dick between the two corpus cavernosum chambers and also down inside between these two chambers so as to be of a kind of T configuration.

Having this cord makes me feel sick.. No routine, no device, no magic potion has managed to - nor is likely to, give me any gains in length. At all. Ever. This makes me so rage full sometimes that I cannot possibly describe. The worst part is that so many other guys can gain and I can’t - that’s the bit that I can’t handle.

I am making this post for the informational purposes of those who might need it.

In terms of elastin versus collagen proportions I am certain that mine is not at all elastic.

I also believe that this cord may be associated with a higher potential for acquiring Peyronie and also with D you p you y t r e n s c o n t r a c t you r e . (I HATE YOUR STUPID SPELL CHECK after a dozen times of not letting me post the proper names even after selecting manual input - what a piece of garbage software)

I have also managed to acquire fibrous scars, lumps and pain in my penis (forming as above).

Do not ask me about deconditioning or changing routines or question my ability to follow instructions because you will just enrage and insult me for your erroneous presuming.

The cord exists - however one wishes to describe it.
Cords vary in elastin to collagen proportion amongst men it seems.
My cord is an inch across and about the same deep in T formation which is bigger than any cord I have seen mentioned.
I hate my life. I hate my genetics. I hate that I cannot gain whilst other can.

If anyone has any questions I will be in my quarters playing Russian roulette (you have to PM me to get me to respond because I am too defeated to be perusing this thread looking for responses to answer)

K, bye.

:,(

Will.Y.am. Your story is very deppresing and I’m sorry to hear you didn’t gain in 10 years. Maybe you could move on and try other things in life? I tried some things and when I saw I would never succed I simply moved on and felt so much better.

We all have this chord, some men have tougher others not so tough. I felt this chord during streching, it’s power is superhuman. If we didn’t have this chord I do believe that gains would be a bit faster but that’s speculation from my part. However I do believe it plays an important role and if we didn’t have it that would be scary.It’s just like Free Radicals , everyone knows they are bad but without them you would die!

When I really get a good stretch with mechanical stretcher I can see and feel the cord.

It’s never effected my gains though.


Began December 2009 at 5 7/8" length and 5" girth.

As of December 5th 2012 7 3/8" BPEL and 6 1/8" base girth.

Going for the magic 8"x6"

I feel like it affects my gains. Why do so many people feel this and we really can’t explain it ? Everything else on my dick feels stretchable and malleable but that “cord” is very tough feeling. When I stretch real hard it almost leaves an indention in the top of my dick head like the cord is attached to the head and is the limiting factor. I am gaining but if I didn’t have that cord there is no telling how much I could gain. I am starting to do fulcrum stretches and that does seem to attack that cord.


Hopingtogrow

07-15-2012 7.000 BPEL, 5.25''mseg, 5.75''beg 6"NBP

11-12-2012 7.688 BPEL 5.5 mseg 5.875 beg. 6.625 NBP

I have posted this in another thread, but it makes sense to post it here as this is the main thread folk will find searching for this information:
Someone PM’d me recently asking about this - here’s what I said to them: (I’m not in the habit of doing personal PM routine advice in detail - this was an exception, so please don’t ask!)

OK, happy to share what’s worked for me. I do have a tough as f*ck dorsal septum.
If you have a dick like a steel hawser, normal PE methods are going to be like hanging a 2 pound fish on a 50 pound line and expecting it to stretch. It just isn’t going to happen. The approach becomes more vigorous. The problem with any collagenous tissue is it adapts to stress, so if you just add more force, you will create more tensile strength - this is a problem many guys who get no gains encounter - they think pulling harder will give faster gains, but all it does is create tougher tissues, more resistant to stretch.
So what approach overcomes the strong tissues without creating excessive strengthening (some is inevitable)?

Heat is essential to increased motility in collagenous tissue. I’ve had guys without super tough dicks try the experiment: one day take your penis to its max flaccid stretch length after a normal PE workout without heat - next day use heat and do the same routine and measure FSL again afterwards. The majority got a notably higher reading after using heat. I’ve also had many guys PM me who gained following the newbie routine properly, then their gains stopped when they changed routines. When asked if they continued using heat after the newbie, it is the most common thing they left out. When they added heat again, their gains re-started.
So heat is vital.

After heat comes more force. Lots more force. The fact the tissue is heated and the collagen bonds are more motile stops it toughening as much as if applying a stressor to ‘cold’ tissue.
Really the best way to apply force to target the septum/dorsal thickening/cord is the approach outlined in Mem's Momentous Rapid Gain Mechanism which stretches the tissues over a fulcrum, instead of directly along their longitudinal axis (their LA is their plane of strongest resistance to stretch). The times, force levels and methods laid out in that thread are highly applicable to us.
The jelqing is important also, as it helps to ‘loosen’ all the penile tissues by applying force against the longitudinal and circumferential tissues, making them all more amenable to stretching.

Mem’s routine may be enough. But for a super tough penis it may not. If it isn’t, you need to capitalise on the weakening/tiring of the bonds it creates. If you are purely after length, re-heating then hanging for 20+ minutes after the fulcrum stretching will encourage ‘creep’ in the tissues. If you are wanting girth as well, pumping for 20+ minutes (again, better done after the fulcrum stretching if the ‘cord’ is your main sticking point) is a good option.

This is a tough routine and can reduce or even kill your EQ (erection quality) for a couple of days. So I suggest doing it for 2 or 3 days max, then having a day off, then a day of normal newbie routine (stretch/jelq) just as active recovery, then if your EQ is back up, repeat the process. If your EQ is not fully back, do another day or 2 of normal newbie routine before hammering it again.

Hope that helps some.


Heat makes the difference between gaining quickly or slowly for some guys, or between gaining slowly instead of not at all for others. And the ideal penis size is 7.6" BPEL x 5.6" Mid Girth.

Basics.... firegoat roll How to use the Search button for best results

Would Fulcrum stretches work along side 8 hours of extending a day? 20 mins fulcrum in the morning then Extending to follow or would the stretches toughen the penis making the extender less effective.

Top

All times are GMT. The time now is 09:23 PM.