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Kegels, bodybuilding & muscle growth

Please note: this post isn’t about any sort of analogy/link between bodybuilding and PE, I’m aware there are none if any.

What I’ve been wondering lately is the influence bodybuilding/resistance training protocols have on the benefits conferred by kegels. Since a kegel is simply a contraction of the PC muscle, and its strengthening is due to the same kinds of remodeling in any other resistance training, one would imagine that there are many factors that work together.

For instance:

1. Protein synthesis in muscle tissue seems to be regulated by mTOR, which integrates signals from growth hormone, insulin, influx of amino acids and so forth. An increase in the activity of this protein results in a greater amount of muscle tissue synthesized (I’m simplifying a bit here, but this is accurate enough for our current example). Methods that increase mTOR activity include resistance exercise, protein shakes (via amino acids), leucine (a branched-chain amino acid) and supplements like creatine.

2. Smaller groups of muscles exercised during larger exercise seem to benefit due to circulating factors (e.g, a rise in growth hormone) and remodel themselves as larger/stronger via mTOR activation despite not being stressed nearly as hard.

In theory, it should be possible to boost the effects of kegel exercises by:

1. Drinking a protein shake with leucine after a very heavy kegel session
2. Scheduling kegel sessions to be before/after resistance training, so as to confer maximum benefit from other muscle stimulation
3. Taking creatine regularly, if you’re already training with weights and not doing so.

Any thoughts?


Start (Initially August 2008, Properly November/December 2008): 6.9x4.9

Currently (September 2010): 8.5x5.75 (6.25 inch head girth)

Just to be clear, are you talking about using these supplements with PE ONLY, or in conjunction with PE, Body SCULPTING? If the latter is the case, I think that you will fail to achieve the desired goal, because your body will be programmed to BUILD MUSCLE.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but to me the penis is made up of the connective tissues such as these. (I know it’s not stated clearly in the article but bear with me) http://www.lab.anhb.uwa.edu.au/mb14…ect.htm#labdreg..

So one could infer that the protein shake would not really help in the total synthesis of ALL Types of cells NECESSARY, in the development of the PENIS. SO I do not necessarily see a direct correlation between these direct supplements and overall increase in the types of connective tissues found in the penis. My thought would be that the effect would be nominal, If used in conjunction with BODY SCULPTING.

If you feel like it, please tell me your thoughts on this, I would like to get a better idea of what you mean, and your viewpoint so that my understanding could be ENRICHED by YOUR KNOWLEDGE.

LouieLouie.

In actuality you do make a direct link between PE ad bodybuilding in your post. You assume that the benefits from a conditioned PC muscle are directly linked to the strength and size (cross-sectional area) of the muscle when, in fact, we don’t really know whether or not that is the case. It makes sense to think so but the positive effects of working the PC muscle might just be something simple like improved blood flow.


2010-01-09: BPEL: 19,7cm [7.75"] EG: 15,0 cm [5.9"]

2010-04-24: BPEL: 20,4cm [8.0"] EG: [???]

I made standing shoulder presses today. When I contract my hips the movement is much better so I do it that way, that`s one example. I am sure many other exercises like squats have beneficial affects to kegel muscles.

BTW, when I contract ass I also contract kegel muscles> the whole area.


Start: 6.9 BPEL x 4.9 (17,5 x 12,5 cm)

Now: 7.7 BPEL x 5.7 (19,5 x 14,5 cm)

Yes I know about the BC Muscle, but from my understanding the body likes to build up the large dense groups of muscle fibers I.e. The pectorals, quads, etc. The body has it’s own way of stacking muscle on only those groups that we use frequently.

This thread, Locating the bc muscle was rather informative on the muscle groups associated with ejaculation. However, the penis when it becomes erect is in fact at it’s “Most relaxed state”

Examples here http://www.webmd.com/erectile-dysfu…erection-occurs and here (just to get diversity of info) http://www.emedicinehealth.com/impo…/article_em.htm you have to read the whole page!! The info is there.

I’m sure strength gains in the kegel muscle are somewhat neural. But yeah, I get where your coming from. So yeah a protein shake before a hard kegel session (works better than taking one after) as well as some compound lifting after to ramp up the growth/adaption contributing hormones.


Decemeber 2007: 5.8" BPEL x 4.9" MSEG

Current:-------->7.7" BPEL x 5.7" MSEG (7.2" NBPEL)

Current Goal:--->7.6" BPEL X 5.8" MSEG Do or do not, there is no "try".

Detumescence (when the penis is no longer in a state of erection) results when muscle-relaxing chemicals are no longer released. Ejaculation causes the smooth muscle tissue of the erection bodies in the penis to regain muscle tone, which allows the venous drainage channels to open and the blood drains from the penis.

Originally Posted by louielouie
This thread, Locating the bc muscle was rather informative on the muscle groups associated with ejaculation. However, the penis when it becomes erect is in fact at it’s “Most relaxed state”

Relaxation of the smooth muscle, not the PC muscle. I tried to explicitly prevent this discussion by saying this wasn’t a thread about bodybuilding and PE. I’m talking only about the muscles involved in kegel squeezes, NOT smooth muscle in the CC.


Start (Initially August 2008, Properly November/December 2008): 6.9x4.9

Currently (September 2010): 8.5x5.75 (6.25 inch head girth)

I think you have a point Man of 10. But wouldn’t that work for better MUSCLE CONTRACTION, so would it be working AGAINST EQ? Sure we would be splattering the walls when we come, THINK SCARY MOVIE, but I don’t see a correlation that would positively benefit.. Maybe I’m just being dense (no pun intended) could you explain more Man of 10 and R dopa??

Please tell me if I am OFF-BASE here

Originally Posted by man-of-10
I’m sure strength gains in the kegel muscle are somewhat neural. But yeah, I get where your coming from. So yeah a protein shake before a hard kegel session (works better than taking one after) as well as some compound lifting after to ramp up the growth/adaption contributing hormones.

Yep, this is what I’m talking about. Although I’m not sure why the PC would be any different from other muscles in terms of function.

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Silastic implants of testosterone propionate or dihydrotestosterone significantly increased the average CSA of Pcm fibers.

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/…ETRY=1&SRETRY=0

In mice at least, the cross-sectional area of the PC muscle fibers were increased by steroid treatment. This implies that the hypertrophy functions similar to other muscle tissue, and from what I can tell is just a hammock-like structure of skeletal muscle tissue. There seems to be the same kind of expression of other mediators of growth like myosin

http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc…B6W9P-4JKRTV2-M

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Specifically, advanced pelvic organ prolapse may be related to down-regulation of skeletal muscle heavy-chain polypeptide 3 and myosin binding protein H.


Start (Initially August 2008, Properly November/December 2008): 6.9x4.9

Currently (September 2010): 8.5x5.75 (6.25 inch head girth)

Kaan, it has been postulated that when you work the quads, and hamstrings, by doing squats, you build up muscle and tendon strength, that allows for a better flow of blood in the penis. Http://www.mangoboss.com/ExercisesT…tileDysfunction so

Originally Posted by ebon00
In actuality you do make a direct link between PE ad bodybuilding in your post. You assume that the benefits from a conditioned PC muscle are directly linked to the strength and size (cross-sectional area) of the muscle when, in fact, we don’t really know whether or not that is the case. It makes sense to think so but the positive effects of working the PC muscle might just be something simple like improved blood flow.

Good point. Could be any of the effects associated, such as better nutrient delivery. Looking at the original formulations of kegels for women, the goal seems to be to improve muscle tone (in the medical sense, not the sense of looking toned) rather than strength or size. How tone is related to strength and size, I have no idea. Good input though.


Start (Initially August 2008, Properly November/December 2008): 6.9x4.9

Currently (September 2010): 8.5x5.75 (6.25 inch head girth)

Right, doing some reading to see if I can figure out exactly what the goals are when pelvic floor exercises are used in rehabilitation for erectile dysfunction and premature ejaculation.

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The ischiocavernosus and bulbocavernosus muscles are superficial pelvic floor muscles that are active during erection and which enhance rigidity. The bulbocavernosus muscle encircles 33–50% of the base of the penis and has three functions: it is responsible for preventing blood from escaping during an erection by exerting pressure on the deep dorsal vein; it is active and pumps during ejaculation; and it empties the bulbar urethra by reflex action after micturition.

The pelvic floor exercises were taught by a skilled physiotherapist who instructed the men to tighten their pelvic floor muscles as strongly as possible (as if to prevent flatus from escaping), to gain muscle hypertrophy.

(This is from the full-text version of this article http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/…670053/abstract)

Seems like hypertrophy is the goal, so it should be possible to optimize kegel sessions specifically for hypertrophy.


Start (Initially August 2008, Properly November/December 2008): 6.9x4.9

Currently (September 2010): 8.5x5.75 (6.25 inch head girth)

Well between Hypertrophy, and hyperplasia, would not the effect be a length vs. Girth scenario. Wherein the hypertrophy be a cellular division directly corresponding with a increase in length (making a longer thinner penis) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertrophy. Whereas I myself would be looking for Hyperplasia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertrophy (think Intimal Hyperplasia) because it would mean thicker girth, and length. (As long as you incorporate longer hanging/stretching methodology)

Please correct me if I’m Wrong or on the wrong track

Originally Posted by R Dopa
Please note: this post isn’t about any sort of analogy/link between bodybuilding and PE, I’m aware there are none if any.

What I’ve been wondering lately is the influence bodybuilding/resistance training protocols have on the benefits conferred by kegels. Since a kegel is simply a contraction of the PC muscle, and its strengthening is due to the same kinds of remodeling in any other resistance training, one would imagine that there are many factors that work together.

For instance:

1. Protein synthesis in muscle tissue seems to be regulated by mTOR, which integrates signals from growth hormone, insulin, influx of amino acids and so forth. An increase in the activity of this protein results in a greater amount of muscle tissue synthesized (I’m simplifying a bit here, but this is accurate enough for our current example). Methods that increase mTOR activity include resistance exercise, protein shakes (via amino acids), leucine (a branched-chain amino acid) and supplements like creatine.

2. Smaller groups of muscles exercised during larger exercise seem to benefit due to circulating factors (e.g, a rise in growth hormone) and remodel themselves as larger/stronger via mTOR activation despite not being stressed nearly as hard.

In theory, it should be possible to boost the effects of kegel exercises by:

1. Drinking a protein shake with leucine after a very heavy kegel session
2. Scheduling kegel sessions to be before/after resistance training, so as to confer maximum benefit from other muscle stimulation
3. Taking creatine regularly, if you’re already training with weights and not doing so.

Any thoughts?


I think you’re on to something. A person who works out and eats 250 grams of protein a day will gain muscle mass easier than person who works out and eats 50 grams of protein a day.

Since PC and BC are also muscles, they should also benefit from high protein diet.

But then again, exercising PC/BC muscles is done to increase their durability, not mass. After all, there is no external resistance (i.e. towel or something, just like barbell and dumbbells for regular muscles). It’s just like push ups, your chest and triceps become more durable, but you can’t increase their mass without external load.


Start • 5.94''x4.92''

Now • 6.50''x4.96''

Goal • 7.00''x5.75''

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