Juke's thoughts on making big gains

Which reminds me of the second rule (in my book); use the least force that will produce gains.

So, (IMO) 1) do as much PE as you can while still keeping fair to great EQ.
2) use the least force that will produce gains.

The reason you want to use the least force possible for gains, is that tissue will try and adapt to stress, and usually this will include toughening. You want to use enough force to create gains with the LEAST toughening possible. Toughening will eventually brings gains to a halt, requiring a prolonged lay off to allow any possible gains to continue.

Kimc, you are right that it can be very confusing for beginners, but as TGD says, you really have to take the time to find out what you respond best to. Some guys can do hours and hours of PE with good results, but may guys will drop their EQ into the toilet with even modest amounts of PE.

This is why I wrote the PIs and EQ threads, so you can learn to read your own responses and adjust your routine to your needs.

The latest thing that I discovered (for myself at least) is that you can have a great routine where you are getting great EQ, and its working fine, and all of a sudden your EQ drops. This can be due to EITHER it becoming too little or accumulating stress and it becoming too much.

If you take a day off and EQ drops further, it was that it had become too little stress and you need to increase it.

IF you take a day off and EQ pops right back up, it was accumulating tissue stress and you either need to cut back a bit or take an programmed in off day.

Conversely, if EQ is dropping and you INCREASE your PE, and EQ pops up, your penis had adjusted to the stress and it no longer was enough to stimulate the smooth muscle to react and compensate.

So, dropping EQ may be due to either too much or too little. If you don’t realize that, it will lead to real confusion.

Thanks sparky a good read and that all makes sense.

This thread has gotten me back on track. I am getting the results that I was once getting back in October. On the topic of rest day, TheGreatDivider is right, they have to come. I am sure they are important for all the reasons they might be. You are right, you can’t go forever. Somehow, I was stuck on a “less is more” idea. I’m not sure where I got it. Maybe it was wishful thinking. It’s funny that I in some way convinced myself of that despite having previous success with a routine similar in October. I should perhaps post what is working for me at some point. This is a good thread though!

To let it be known, this is working for me. I’ve been doing some two a days, and some one a days. No days of for 11 days now. Yesterday for instance I forced a two a day. Kinda was a little too much. Didn’t let it turtle. Forced and erection a few times just to check size. Basically a solid 1/16th bigger no problem. I was a tiny bit overworked. Decided today I would wait till night time before I PE’d again. That was like 24 hours since last time. Basically, it was rest time. Not two day rest time, but rest time. Not knocking two day rest time. I am pushing my limits as best I can without overdoing it. That’s key here. Crazy thick flacid all day today. Measured a couple times today. Erect girth a full 1/8th easily bigger than when I started this process. The thing that makes me know I’m on track, this isn’t fluid build up. It’s straight up cock meat. Engorgement with clamp today broke a previous record. Also post PE session girth measurement broke a previous record. All around pretty happy that things are paying off. No turtling now whatsoever, Strong flacid hang. Now all that needs to happen is this girl calls me, and I’m seriously going to fuck her brains out!

Being really new to PE exercises ( I started PE around April 1st but did not join or post measurements until the 12th) I may not actually have as much insight on long periods of rest. But I will say that the 1st few days I was really going at the newbie routine and some stretches that I had read of twice a day. Now Keep in mind, I am by far not a young man, but through life experience I do know what my body can handle and did not work to far past fatigue status. I find myself resting at least 1 full day, but also had an serious hand injury so was forced to a 3 day rest. As soon as I could continue with 1 handed stretching and manual clamping I did. I actually did not plan on measuring but once a month, but as my girlfriend kept insisting she has noticed some change I did a measurement and actually gained .25” EL. I believe this to be a sign that a rest break is good. My future plans on this topic are to construct an ADS device to wear at work while I am still on light duty, my EQ is still quite high, and overall penis health is great.. So I am considering starting some hanging soon. I think rest days will more of cutting back to 1 “light” session on midweek and 1 day totally off on the weekend.

Dunno if this was an appropriate place.. But hell it’s my 2cents on rest from a newb to PE

Rest is especially important when you are in your first handful of month’s. If you ever feel you’ve overdone it. Rest it. Soon enough you’ll know how much you can take and keep pushing the limits from there.

Totally agree with you. That’s the key:)

Wow, this is great.exciting even. I agreed, I’ve been at it since 08, got some length and g and I was happy when my eq shot threw the roof. But now I want more so I started hanging and ads, to get that deep pull (being that I’m no longer scare of ripping my Dick off).

Now I was doing my own style of “px90” back in 90 while I was in the corp because of the lack of time. I did my morning training then hit the gym for breakfast and lunch on frenie weights, then I did lite workouts for dinner with stretching on a circuit. The workouts were short but heavy, 5 heavy days, 1 lite, and 1 off; and I did it however and wherever; but from 7pm-5am was rest, and I blew up like hulk.

The reason I’m sharing this is because I see where he going with this and if you pace yourself with a routine that incorporates rest time you can beef up workouts.

So with that being said, I’m going to try Using the “fatigue” theory and my workout schedule. I will do
3 workouts a day for 5 days. The workout will be between 5am-7pm, heavy to lite. One day of lite and one day off.

For me this is a negative, just finished the experiment and no gains for me :(

How long did you do this.

If you have no EQ problems, are a PE vet and your gains stalled.. this makes sense imo.
I can clamp almost everyday and my EQ actually rises. Takes some consecutive days or very intense work to get EQ drops.

Also Jukes other thread incorporating clamping with "more is more"

Girth fatigue - must have for girth gains

My issue is a severe loss of EQ if I clamp for multiple days. I keep my stretching up every day, but clamping has been one off/one on so far.