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Juke's thoughts on making big gains

You guys need to make sure you understand what is being said here. More is not always better until you are far more experienced.

This was a good warning:

Quote: Don’t get me wrong, safety is the most important thing. Gradual increases is the key. The body is capable of some amazing things. Look at professional fighters - they are able to take repeated brutal hits to the face without even a bruise or cut - where most people would be in the hospital from that kind of abuse. What’s the key? Adaptation. The body will adapt to almost anything. You have to work up to the high intensity work that is needed for big gains. The limiting factor is the soft tissue: skin, blood vessels, etc. With enough conditioning, those tissues will be tough and you will be able to really stretch the tunica to the point where you will make REAL GAINS. Newbies will hurt themselves with thrombosed veins because the softer tissues are weak and can’t handle the stress.

The only thing I don’t like about post like this is the newbies usually end up hurt because of lack of experience. Just know you body and the signs.

I’m not a newbie. I’ve been at it for 14 months I believe. I agree with your statements as well. I’m well conditioned though. I’ve made progress, and I’ve touched on breakthroughs. At this point I want to get some advice from the people that can help. It’s not my responsibility to watch out for newbies. I’ve always been good at starting with newbie routines and working my way back up to clamping. If I’ve taken a decon break, you better believe I’ll do a newbie routine for like 2 to 3 weeks before slowly ramping up. Never had an injury. Fingers crossed, but luck has nothing to do with it. I’ve been smart. Everything I do I slowly ease myself into. I never gone from non clamping to three sets a day. That stuff will bust you up. I’ve worked my way to this point, and now I’m trying for bigger breakthroughs. This is PE!

I’ve just completed 3 months of the newbie routine. The “supposed” initiation period for your penis to get used to all the exercises and what not.

To be completely honest, I found that during my first month, I was pretty complacent about jelqing so I decided to go lite and went 1 day on 1 day off. By the end of the month I saw more length change than girth, so I ramped up the jelqing a little bit.

By the end of the second month, my EQ took a nosedive, so I decided that after I measure, I would take 1 week off with no exercises just the occasional kegeling session. This brought back my EQ and then some! So I decided that I would do the 2 days on 1 day off routine for 3 weeks, measure on an off night and then do a 1 week rest for the 3rd month.

This so far has worked the best for me.

I’m really surprised about what I have gained so far and I have already surpassed my length goal! I still need to work on girth so I’ve added a manual squeezing session afterwards in preparation for clamping(eventually-in 2 to 3 months from now) . Basically 10-15 1min holds with 30s-1min rest between holds.

I really think it’s about how your body responds. And to be honest I haven’t had an injury yet so I really like how my body is responding so far!


Start (Jan 2011): FL=8.75cm(3.44") BPEL=18.35cm (7.22") EG=11.6cm(4.56")

Current: FL=10.50cm(3.94") BPEL=19.55cm (7.69") EG=13.25cm(5.21")

Goal: BPEL=19.1cm (7.5") EG=14.0cm(5.5") and reduce my fat pad!

Originally Posted by juke

In my opinion, MORE IS BETTER. That’s right, stretch/clamp/jelq/pump as much as you can. The biggest mistake I see guys making is comparing PE to weightlifting. They are entirely different ideas and mechanisms of making gains. Weightlifting/bodybuilding is contractile tissue growth. The science behind is pretty well known. PE is more like stretching your hamstrings, you do not need much rest, in fact the more aggressive you are, the better gains you will make (most likely). Some gymnasts go through some pretty extreme routines to maximize their flexibility. PE is not much different, stretching various tissues over time.

I like the comparing PE to stretching, but honestly I think more is better is a philosophy that more people should follow in weightlifting as well. Somewhat off topic, I just feel like a lot of people who workout say 3 days a week and say it’s because you really need those rest days, would be making much more headway if they worked out 5 or 6 days, it’s just a lot easier to only work out 3. Lots of people don’t want to make time to put in that much work on a nearly daily basis, and I think PE is the same way. My routine now takes over an hour, sometimes it’s hard to make the time to fit PE into my day when I actually have to be in bed at a reasonable time.

Originally Posted by xBiggerInTXx
I like the comparing PE to stretching, but honestly I think more is better is a philosophy that more people should follow in weightlifting as well. Somewhat off topic, I just feel like a lot of people who workout say 3 days a week and say it’s because you really need those rest days, would be making much more headway if they worked out 5 or 6 days, it’s just a lot easier to only work out 3. Lots of people don’t want to make time to put in that much work on a nearly daily basis, and I think PE is the same way. My routine now takes over an hour, sometimes it’s hard to make the time to fit PE into my day when I actually have to be in bed at a reasonable time.

People who only train 3 times a week do so because they run full body routines and lift heavy. Have you every tried squatting or deadlifting (or even benching) two days in a row?

The reason weightlifting shouldn’t be compared to PE is that muscles grow during rest, your dick doesn’t.

Originally Posted by Serenity73
The reason weightlifting shouldn’t be compared to PE is that muscles grow during rest, your dick doesn't.

That seems inaccurate to me. Even with PE, most growth happens on off days.

Originally Posted by Bruna
That seems inaccurate to me. Even with PE, most growth happens on off days.


Maybe for Girth and some people but in my opinion when focusing on length rest days are not good or needed unless you have an injury or your dicks a bit run down.

If I stop for a day or 2 it can take me another 3 days to get fatigue back.

Great thread ! I don’t do rest days too ;)


-======Goal BPEL 9.5x6======-

Yes! That’s the word, fatigue! I forgot what was the key, and that’s it. I’ve been ramping it up the past three days, Making sure I hit the stretched tunica/ fatigue feeling before I stop. I have a girthier measurement right now. I had a morning session, and measured about 5 hours later. I am just going to go slow, keep it up every day, and make sure that doesn’t go away. I have more girth when semi erect then fully erect right now too. That’s cool with me. I have been here before too. Little bigger in fact, but I had to stop due to life/ girlfriend issues. No girlfriend now, so I am going to roll with it.

I would agree if you added an important caveat; the more the better within the context of good EQ.

You forget to include those that tried the “more is more” for years without success. If you do so much that you have a limp, contracted penis because it cannot recover than you will NEVER see gains.

I say, do the most PE you can while still keeping great to fair EQ. Once you have pushed into poor EQ, you need to back off and reconsider decreasing the amount of PE you are doing until you can keep at least fair EQ while doing it.

With time, you should be able to do more while keeping decent EQ, and at that point you NEED to increase your PE if you wish to make gains and keep good EQ. Too little PE can also drop EQ.

do you have any pics of your gains?

I absolutely agree with juke on this one. I have been doing PE in one form or another for about 6 years now, with many, many lengthy breaks in between.

It’s the periods of intense work over a reasonable period that I gain the most. After my newbie gains the whole one day off one day on thing just wasn’t working for me. When I recover from my surgery I will be back to at least 5 days a week 2 sessions per day minimum. Each sessions usually takes about 45 mins. That level of training is the only thing that seems to net me gains anymore. Keeping in mind I am well conditioned and used to it. Shouldn’t have to say this but I will, newbie’s don’t try this until you have conditioned your dick for a few months first.


Restarting PE: May 2010 - BPEL: 6 3/4 - EG: 5 1/4

Current Goal: BPEL: 7.5/EG: 5.5

Progress: Mar 2011 - (BPEL: 7.0 - EG: 5 1/4)

Sparkyx- Yeah I agree. I use EQ to tell if I have went to far. When I don’t wake up with morning wood I know the day before has been to much because Morning Wood is something I’ve always had and I enjoy it :)

It must be confusing when Newbies come on the forum and hear different things from everyone. Less is more, more is better, I don’t take breaks, Breaks are a must..
I think it’s different for everyone and The first year is Finding out which guy you are, what works for you.

I agree to each is own but there is a common ground with rest among pe’ers. For one I see guys here put too much emphasis on spewing crap they hear from others instead of experimenting themselves and these arent even the newbies im talking about. Then you see the guys on here who aren’t diligent enough to put in enough time each week with busy schedules so they try to rush and do too much and end up taking long breaks due either to over stress or injury. What happened after? They bitch and moan about not being able to grow and blame rest days for their small decrease either from ligaments or veins shrinking back towards near normal sizes, ie non pumped state.

There is just too much other factors that need tonbe explored before guys can scapegoat rest days for their lack of growth. Things like resting blood pressure, metabolism, smoking, diet, water, caffeine consumption, alcohol consumption, prescription drugs, illegal drug use, ethnicity, location, body type, etc.
Yes you need to put in your time, BUT how long do you honestly think you will be able to pe every day before you have to rest…a week, a month, 6 months? If then what is the risk of bruised blood vessels and death from a blood clot traveling from your member to vital organs?

It is ridiculous to brush aside the natural laws of rest and recovery out of a fear that you will stop growing. It’s far more likely that you will over stress your immune system and lose erectile strength in the process now which is more important… A bigger penis as fast as possible with more colds,less erections,and stress illnesses or a bigger penis over time with incredible EQ and good health?

Thegreatdivider- Of course breaks will have to happen eventually for whatever reason and your right allot of people don’t put in the time or effort and find blame somewhere but again it’s back to everyone’s different. It can be discouraging for people to hear that one guys has put in hardly any effort for 2 months and made gains when others have put in months of effort and seen nothing.

I Know I have not been consistent enough and have took to many breaks and I think I have strengthened my penis rather than growing it. My breaks have never been because I’m lazy it’s always been because I Couldn’t fit it in anywhere and other things need to come first= daughter, work, exercise, sleep.

Again people do over do it but it think that’s how you workout whats right for you and you should know your dick after a while and what it can take with out negative effects, I have overdone it, underdone it, somewhere in between. I’m defiantly and volume guy.

I’m not comparing Bodybuilding to PE but It took me while to work out I needed more volume in my workouts to get results. Now I know my body and what it can take after trying 20 different approaches and I feel like this is what I’ve done with PE.

I’ve rushed this Because I need to go so sorry if it’s all over the place.

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