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# If you have a large girth is it really more difficult to gain length

Originally Posted by UpTo7
Are you sure about that formula?

Volume is surface multiplied by height, but surface is not 2 * Pi * r, that’s circumference. Surface is r^2 * Pi. So Volume is r^2 * Pi * h.

I’m not sure that formula really matters here. The stresses you are applying, at any given time, to create deformation are not really applied to the whole volume of the penis. Truth be told, only the area of the penis is of any concern, here. As a picrtorial model, you could see the penis as a pillar that is segmented. Each slice/ segment is a point of applied stress. The penis could be 6” long or 12” long and it will not take any more effort to apply stress at each segment.

But, it must be remembered that the slices we are applying stress to are not of a uniform composition. In other words, not all parts of each section of penis will resist deformation at the same rate. As I stated before, for instance, the ligs will not be any harder to stress as the girth increases. In fact, as the girth increases, the ligs make up a smaller portion of the area being stressed.

The penis is not solid and the increase in girth is not due to solid material increase, but due to the increase in size of the chambers that fill with blood during erection. Certainly, these chambers can not have as tough a resistance as solid matter ( like the ligs), so I am wondering how much an increase in girth really adds to the difficulty in lenght gains. Again, if it does, and it seems that is most people’s experience, it can’t necessarily be solely because of nmore material to stretch. Even if all parts of the penis were of equal composition, and therefore created the same resistance to deformation, the greater resistance should be easily overcome by adding more force. We’re talking human tissue, here, not steel. It couldn’t even require that much extra force.

So, i propose that it is something other than just the increase in area that impedes length gains after you gain in girth. Perhaps it is something in the material properties of the different tissues. Thast bears consideration. Either way you look at it, it really is an engeneering question, biological though it may be. As a group, we need to differentiate between the materials ( tissues) comprising the penis. We need to doccument the physical properties of these materials. Then we need to figure out the proportion of each material within a cross section of the penis, as given girths. Then, we simply need to determine the forces and thew mechanical actions needed to cause material failure at the level we need to achieve for permanent deformation.

Although no one should try to induce priapism, the priapisms that end in megalophalus show us that there is a point, a perfect point, of proper stress applied over just the right time that will cause immediate, permanent deformation. Nature finds it by accident, sometimes. As rational beings, it is not beyond probability that we can discover that point. Even if it is too difficult to recreate those conditions for a one time PE “fix”, greater understanding of the forces at play should allow us to find the perfect formula to consistantly achieve successful PE in a timely manner.

Perhaps greater study needs to be made of priapism and the stress X time factors involved in creating the megalophalus condition. I think, refering to another thread that I have going, it is interesting that there is little to no glans growth exibited by the megalophalus’ I have seen pictures of.

I mean, just thinking logically…..

Hmmmmm I’m going to give this some more thought and maybe throw some thoughts out on the table that, hopefully, might lead someone to an epiphany. Just like sailing ,or anything else, PE only seems like witch doctor stuff, until you really figure out the sience. Once the actual laws and principles governing PE are uncovered, it should be a matter of simply applying the knowledge.

If you gain a lot of girth and your glans size doesn’t grow as fast as the shaft… then it would be harder for the hanger to stay on…

Other than that… You guys are being silly. ;) hehe.

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Originally Posted by UpTo7
Originally Posted by marinera
A = 2 * pi * r *h
greater r, greater the area, so greater surface to elongate. Of course greater volume to fill, also.

Are you sure about that formula?

Volume is surface multiplied by height, but surface is not 2 * Pi * r, that’s circumference. Surface is r^2 * Pi. So Volume is r^2 * Pi * h.

marinera posted the correct surface area of an uncapped cylinder, which approximates the penis’ walls, where the tunica is supposed to be.
A larger area obviously needs more force to stretch, but that shouldn’t be an obstacle for further length gains. I think if the hypothesis from the thread title is true, it is related to the maximum amount of permanent deformation allowed by the TA.

Natural (biological) fibers are like winded filaments. They allow stretching, while they are straightening up. Repeated stretching will leave them more and more permanently straightened, apparently with more length. There is a limit, when the fiber is all straightened up, when no more elongation is allowed without damage. The tunica fiber could behave like that. There could be a maximum allowed permanent elongation for the fibers that make up the tunica. If a lot of the allowed elongation was used to increase the girth, there remains less for working on length. The vice versa should also be true, but girth takes up more material, due to the 2*pi factor.
Just an idea…

Starting BPEL: 6.9" (Dec.1st, 2008)

Current BPEL: 8.11" NBPEL: 7.63" BPFSL: 9.09"

Current MEG : 5.6"

Originally Posted by Upto7
Are you sure about that formula?

Volume is surface multiplied by height, but surface is not 2 * Pi * r, that’s circumference. Surface is r^2 * Pi. So Volume is r^2 * Pi * h.

A = lateral area, surface without top and bottom area.
V = volume = pi * r^2 * h

You are elongating tunica albuginea, without the bottom and the top, that’s the surface. The volume has to be filled (have you noticed the word ‘also’?) with blood, not elongated, because studies seems to suggest that CC normally can expand beyond TA, that will be the limiting factor in normal cases.

So, what has to grow is the tunica albuginea surface (and its total volume also, that is not given by the formula of the cylinder, but we can avoid excessive complications).

Basically, you have to reason in terms of more TA; otherwise said, the total amount of new tissue that you need to make your penis longer grows relatively fast with the diameter, so with girth.

Thinking in terms of simple force that has to be applied to reach deformation is not the correct perspective, IMO, because this deformation isn’t just happening as your penis was a piece of steel. You have to reason in terms of more TA needed, and this needs grow faster with the bigger diameter than it could seem. Hope it’s clear.

Originally Posted by mansun2008
You’ve still gained over an 1” that’s still a great gain.

thanks but I have only gained over an inch in BPEL and that alone took me over 3 years of extremely hard work. in NBPEL and that is what counts I have gained only 0.8 inches and I have lost weight so that is not the reason.
In girth I have gained phenomenaly without even wanting it. it happened as a “side-effect”.
I hope hanging is going to give me more length.

Originally Posted by marinera
A = lateral area, surface without top and bottom area.
V = volume = pi * r^2 * h

You are elongating tunica albuginea, without the bottom and the top, that’s the surface. The volume has to be filled (have you noticed the word ‘also’?) with blood, not elongated, because studies seems to suggest that CC normally can expand beyond TA, that will be the limiting factor in normal cases.

So, what has to grow is the tunica albuginea surface (and its total volume also, that is not given by the formula of the cylinder, but we can avoid excessive complications).

Basically, you have to reason in terms of more TA; otherwise said, the total amount of new tissue that you need to make your penis longer grows relatively fast with the diameter, so with girth.

Thinking in terms of simple force that has to be applied to reach deformation is not the correct perspective, IMO, because this deformation isn’t just happening as your penis was a piece of steel. You have to reason in terms of more TA needed, and this needs grow faster with the bigger diameter than it could seem. Hope it’s clear.

Ah yes, you’re right, I didn’t realise at first that you’re talking about area of cylinder without bases (that’s why ‘A’ confused me), I thought you were talking about cylinder volume.

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Now • 6.50''x4.96''

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No problem,Upto7, maybe my post wasn’t that clear either I’m not a native English speaker. (-:

I gained 1.5” BPEL in 2 years having 6.5” girth, no that bad at all; despite that I suspect if I had less girth length would be easier. Maybe it’s just a pre-conceived idea, I don’t know.

Your guys science is hard to understand. To be honest I don’t even know what a tunica is but I know some exercises to effect it which is what matters.

My only guess would be, if you have a thick dick it’s going to be harder for the body to grow that rather than something with less volume.

Unless when you stretch ligs you’re actually pulling some of the inner penis(there’s about twice inside compared to out I think) out then it would be what girth is already inside. That’s why I think my base girth improved after gaining length.

But I really have no idea which is why I asked.

All this formulae and all this trouble….

… just pull your damn dicks ;)

Time to measure girth soon... previously 4.5", been targeting girth for months!

I remember reading these theories when I first joined here as well. I left the debate for those who wanted to study the intricacies of the inner penis and those who wanted to apply mathematical formulas to it.

However this is the human body.

First it we have to agree on what exactly is it that we are doing to the penis in the first place. Are we really “growing” it. Or just “stretching” it? And in a sense deforming it. I think the answer is both, and different in different people.

The subscribed theory was always that it was easier to fatten a lengthened dick than vice versa would be. So I followed that advice with success.
Then I seem to hit a limit of sorts with the length gains. But I wanted more. I never hit and held and official “8”. So I started to focus my attention on girth. Again some good success with the girth also. But then I began to notice that when I went back to length work for maintenance, I could now get that fat cock to stretch out even farther. This produced additional length gains with out losing the girth much if at all.

Yes I was happy with these unexpected but desired results. This in turn got me to thinking about human growth itself as I have 4 children here.
When ever my children start to grow in height again, they seem to chunk up a bit and then shoot up. So I started thinking maybe THAT’S the theory I need to start applying to my dick. Fatten it up and pull it out. Well it seems to be working for me these days for some new gains.

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Good points there RC.

Just make sure you don’t try applying your PE theories to your children’s height :D

Time to measure girth soon... previously 4.5", been targeting girth for months!

Hmm.
If we have to equal long rubberbands but one is thicker then the second one.
Shouldn’t we be able to get a longer strech with the thicker one?
Sure, you have to pull harder but there are more “tissue” to pull.
With equal force a thin penis should be easier to strech, but if the force is unlimited the thicker one should have a greater stretched length.

Or am I stupid?

Interesting point. Not sure how it applies to the penis though, maybe someone else can chime in.

Time to measure girth soon... previously 4.5", been targeting girth for months!

Originally Posted by marinera
No problem,Upto7, maybe my post wasn’t that clear either I’m not a native English speaker. (-:

I gained 1.5” BPEL in 2 years having 6.5” girth, no that bad at all; despite that I suspect if I had less girth length would be easier. Maybe it’s just a pre-conceived idea, I don’t know.

I don’t know, really, I’m still just a newbie. :) I didn’t study theory about penis enlargement much, for now I’m doing what seems to be working for most guys and I’m gaining, so I’m not asking any unnecessary questions and probably won’t until I stop gaining. :D

Start • 5.94''x4.92''

Now • 6.50''x4.96''

Goal • 7.00''x5.75''

Haha sounds good. :)

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