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How important is REST ?

I would like to share with you my experience. Today I had orgasm…nothing special about it ;) However in peak moment when I was ejaculating and my penis was 100% engorged I have noticed that is was BIGGER THAN EVER! Literally it was like 0.5” bigger than ever! I did not measure it but I am 100% sure it was the longest dick I have ever had in my hand!:) We all know our dicks…this time my dick was like extra 0.5” in my hand… What so strange about it? I do not PE - I am fourth week on deconditioning break….

I have noticed that 3 times in my PE career…I am starting my third year in PE and this time I am sure that my penis needs a rest! It looks guys like my penis is growing in times of rest! I do not know how it works but I am sure about it…I had the same feeling in previous two decon breaks…Since two weeks I had better erections than during PE but what happened today really got me scared! I was writing some time ago that I went from 4.9 BPEL to 6.1” but today it must have been like 6.4’ BPEL! I was not so ‘long’ during PE phase…

Why is that? I come to conclusion that my penis works the following way. When I ‘injure’ my penis it starts to grow….but at one point it stops…it looks like the more force I use the the harder my penis becomes…when I take deconditioning break my penis either:

1. GROWS some(in this case it is reacting with ‘lag’ to force applied earlier)
2. Becomes more ‘flexible’(tunica)

It is possible that my penis did not grow in rest phase…however what must have happened it that case was ‘softening’ of tunica that allowed my penis to show it’s ‘true potential’. It gives me another conclusion…at some point tunica does not grow-it rather becomes ‘harder’ to stretch…it’s a form of ‘defence’ against force that we apply to our dicks. So at some point PE is useless…

What do you think about its guys? For me it looks like IPR works….I know there are guys who have results without decon breaks but for me it works different. Less is more in my case apparently…

I must add that during this decon break my penis hangs lower…my flaccid looks bigger. And I really was not ‘overdoing’(in my opinion)…I did pump every second day during last 3 months…Strange…but it works that way :)

Is there anyone else whose penis grows after PE phase? :)

I think you just overwork your unit during PE. Sometimes I needed 2 to 3 days to recover, sometimes just 24 hours. How long did you do the newbie routine? I jump too fast into the vet routine and learned my lesson. Now I’m on my 2.5 months of break and will start again in a couple of weeks. Work it hard and take longer breaks, just my opinion. Also, drink plenty of water, and put some vitamin E on your unit after working out.

Originally Posted by mackereljohn
I think you just overwork your unit during PE. Sometimes I needed 2 to 3 days to recover, sometimes just 24 hours. How long did you do the newbie routine? I jump too fast into the vet routine and learned my lesson. Now I’m on my 2.5 months of break and will start again in a couple of weeks. Work it hard and take longer breaks, just my opinion. Also, drink plenty of water, and put some vitamin E on your unit after working out.

I never did newbie routine! I started my ‘career’ with Penimaster and Jelqdevice….manual PE never worked for me later(or I just can not do it in proper way).

During those two year I was later doing manual PE(did not work much), hanging, O-bends, hanging and pumping. I have never PEd for more than 4 months in a row…I had 3 deconditioning breaks during that time. Like I wrote previously my last ‘cycle’ was based on pumping(3-4 months)…I gained some thanks to it…but again-I was pumping every other day…even not. It was monday, wed and friday….rest days were ‘rest’ days. So it is hard to say that I was overdoing.

What is important for me is that there is no growth without rest…at least for me. Period where I PE is as important as period where I allow my dick to rest and remodel. It happened to me three times so it can not be any mistake. Strange but it looks like my penis does not grow only during ‘injury phase’…to see full gains I have to give my dick month or so….very counter-intuitive idea overall….It leads me to conclusion that Xeno was right with IPR and remodeling phase… Three things I am sure now:

1. Penis needs not only stretching but also rest period in order to grow
2. Each of us is different (amount of stretch and rest is different for many guys as I can read)
3. Penis can react in two ways to applied force - it can either grow or become ‘harder’ to injure..

Finding that ‘sweet spot’ between amount of force and time of rest is a key for me…

Perhaps this is the missing key for many hard gainers to start gaining. Their dicks require a sustained rest period of more than a week in order to recover from the cycle, the “rest” days during the cycle merely allow the dick to heal - but not grow - for these hard gainers (which includes me).

How long were (and how much pressure) you pumping during this last session? Also, did you stay on schedule (1 on, 1 off) for most of the 3-4 months of the cycle?

Sounds like macro IPR. How about this. PE on a three day week period with a rest day between. At the end of 6-8 weeks take a week long break.

The newbie program is gentle enough to do five days per week. But as jelq reps and time are added and warm and warm downs to. 24-36 hour rest periods should be sandwiched into your program. Especially if you are doing more than 200 jelqs at 3-5 seconds,150 at 5-10 seconds.

Change your routine every 6-8 weeks. When you get into advanced programs alternate between the Sizemiester program and Mem’s Momentous gains program. Then do 6-8 weeks just ballooning. Mix it up make it fresh!


Speak softly carry a big dick, I'm mean stick!

Originally Posted by kingpole
Sounds like macro IPR. How about this. PE on a three day week period with a rest day between. At the end of 6-8 weeks take a week long break.

The newbie program is gentle enough to do five days per week. But as jelq reps and time are added and warm and warm downs to. 24-36 hour rest periods should be sandwiched into your program. Especially if you are doing more than 200 jelqs at 3-5 seconds,150 at 5-10 seconds.

Change your routine every 6-8 weeks. When you get into advanced programs alternate between the Sizemiester program and Mem’s Momentous gains program. Then do 6-8 weeks just ballooning. Mix it up make it fresh!


King,

Whats a macro IPR?

Pepper

Originally Posted by DR Pepper
King,

Whats a macro IPR?

Pepper

Do a search on IPR. It is kind of hard to explain.
But simply it goes like this,
You jelq for a longer duration for lik two weeks daily. Then you take a two week break or something like that.


Speak softly carry a big dick, I'm mean stick!

Originally Posted by kingpole
Do a search on IPR. It is kind of hard to explain.
But simply it goes like this,
You jelq for a longer duration for lik two weeks daily. Then you take a two week break or something like that.


OK, so its essentially like cycling your PE. In your experience, is it effective?

Pepper

Originally Posted by DR Pepper
OK, so it’s essentially like cycling your PE. In your experience, is it effective?

Pepper

What disi is doing is more like macro IPR.
What I described in my previous post is more a kin to micro IPR.

For example I warm a long time.
Stretch a long time.
Jelq a long time.
Do a lot kegels.
And warm down a long time.
Every other day.
At the end of 6-8 weeks I take a week long break.
I do not recommend this type of routine to Newbies.


Speak softly carry a big dick, I'm mean stick!

I can only go on what I know from sports fitness and nutrition, but based on those principles rest is vital for physical and athletic improvement.

The exercise does the damage, growth comes due to proper nutrition and during the rest phase, I’d see no difference in PE?

By the way kingpole, I’ve searched for “Sizemiester program” and found nothing? I’ve found Mems routine, where is the Sizemiester program?


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Originally Posted by Innova
Perhaps this is the missing key for many hard gainers to start gaining. Their dicks require a sustained rest period of more than a week in order to recover from the cycle, the “rest” days during the cycle merely allow the dick to heal - but not grow - for these hard gainers (which includes me).

How long were (and how much pressure) you pumping during this last session? Also, did you stay on schedule (1 on, 1 off) for most of the 3-4 months of the cycle?

I went up from 2 x 10 min sessions with pumping to 3 x 15 min…during last set pressure was almost at 7(during last 3-4 minutes).

I was trying to pump on mon, wed and friday…however sometimes I just ‘did not feel like’ I wanted to pump that day…I also remember that all my gains in pump(I have a marking system on my pump so I can see progress) came on monday…few times on wed.

Also…when I recall my first IPR cycle with hanging I can see that I had better results when doing hanging every third day than every second day(which is what I did in my second IPR cycle). This may be what King called ‘micro IPR’…hmm

I am just about to start hanging again…I will see how it works this time. I can ‘see’ and ‘feel’ when to stop PE and take a break…but I am not sure if I can feel when to stop break and start PEing again…this part is more difficult in my opinion.

Also…I think that it may work a little bit in following way. When I PE I give to my dick ‘energy to grow’(metaphor) but this energy can be released only during rest period when no more force is applied(or earlier if applied force is not strong enough to make my tunica strong stopping this way early gains)…it is like with baking a cake…you put all ingredients, mix it and later you put the cake aside and let it ‘grow’…or like ‘action-reaction’ law in physics(third law-which would explain why gains stop at some point)


Last edited by disi : 09-04-2007 at .

Great thread… For what ever reason a lot of people seem to have the same problem. Its like the penis gets used to the pulling, jelqing or stretching. I have been thinking the exact same thing the past few months. I was using an ads and made some good gains but they seemed to stop after about 4 months. I took a 3 month break and just started up again… we will see how it goes :)

Originally Posted by cammie77
Great thread… For what ever reason a lot of people seem to have the same problem. Its like the penis gets used to the pulling, jelqing or stretching. I have been thinking the exact same thing the past few months. I was using an ads and made some good gains but they seemed to stop after about 4 months. I took a 3 month break and just started up again… we will see how it goes :)

It is because it is very ‘counter-intuitive’ idea…most of us are afraid that if we stop PE our gains will be gone(in fact it may be different-and in my case it is different). Well-I do not want to say that they can not be gone but if they are gone in 100% it only means that they were not ‘real’…maybe tunica became more flexible etc.

Your idea is good. However I wonder if it is possible for penis o get used to the ‘cycles’? If someone does IPR cycle for third time in exact the same manner will it be ‘known’ by his penis? Interesting…For sure this can happen in bodybuilding..I am starting my new cycle so in couple of months I should report to you guys.

I noticed this “phenomenon” early on. At one point my gains had stopped so I took a 2 month decon.
After two weeks into the decon I was measuring 1/4” longer. I just recently regained a lost 1/8” after a one week break.

Think of it like this - in distraction histogenesis (bone lengthening), they break a bone and then set it with a gap in between the two segments.
Then, they let it grow back to fill in the gap and repeat the procedure. It takes about 6 weeks for the bone to heal adequately.
If they broke the bone again at week 2 the process would be botched. They would have to start over.

I think sometimes in PE we “break the bone” too soon. We start to heal (micro phase IPR) and then we re-injure, skipping the proliferation
and remodeling phases altogether. While we do benefit with small gains, I think a much better benefit comes with more rest.
I only wish I lived this theory as much as I subscribe to it.

We’re all addicts and think if we don’t exercise our units everyday we are wasting valuable growth time. When in reality we are probably
doing ourselves a great disservice by not taking proper rest breaks.

So… with this in mind, I am taking Oct, Nov and Dec off. Maybe not October, but definitely Nov and Dec.


Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal: my strength lies solely in my tenacity.

Louis Pasteur

Originally Posted by Iguana
I noticed this “phenomenon” early on. At one point my gains had stopped so I took a 2 month decon.
After two weeks into the decon I was measuring 1/4” longer. I just recently regained a lost 1/8” after a one week break.

Think of it like this - in distraction histogenesis (bone lengthening), they break a bone and then set it with a gap in between the two segments.
Then, they let it grow back to fill in the gap and repeat the procedure. It takes about 6 weeks for the bone to heal adequately.
If they broke the bone again at week 2 the process would be botched. They would have to start over.

I think sometimes in PE we “break the bone” too soon. We start to heal (micro phase IPR) and then we re-injure, skipping the proliferation
and remodeling phases altogether. While we do benefit with small gains, I think a much better benefit comes with more rest.
I only wish I lived this theory as much as I subscribe to it.

We’re all addicts and think if we don’t exercise our units everyday we are wasting valuable growth time. When in reality we are probably
doing ourselves a great disservice by not taking proper rest breaks.

So… with this in mind, I am taking Oct, Nov and Dec off. Maybe not October, but definitely Nov and Dec.

Thanks for input Iguana. That is interesting. What I also have been thinking recently is a right ‘ratio’ of time when we make injury and time when we rest. I think it is easy to notice when to take a break..I do it when I see no gains and I am sure I ‘try’…no gains in 2 months and I am ‘out’. It is harder to spot the point where I should get back on the train…because for sure it does not work the way that the longer is break the longer penis gets…in such case all we would need for gains would be…lack of PE ;) At one point both PE PERIOD and REST PERIOD should come to an end because ‘more of it’ gives opposite results…Of course even if we take very, very long decon break all gains will not go away(if gains were ‘real’)…but again…I would like to find a ratio that allows me to maximize results of both periods.

Also…even if we can specify such ratio I am not sure if such ratio would be constant or should it be modified to ‘shock’ mind and body and not allow it to ‘get used’ to this ratio.

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