I realize that this thread may not be well received and may even inspire contempt, but I care enough about the PE community that I want to air my thoughts. I also apologize in advance for the length of the thread.
Many of us – myself included – have complained about the medical community’s disbelief in the efficacy of natural PE. We tend to regard it as a conspiracy, and then resort to numerous cynical allegations regarding their position (usually based on the financial angle). But after more than 16 months of PE under my belt, including countless hours on 4 different online PE forums, I’ve been thinking a lot about this issue.
Why do the doctors dis PE? Well, all their theory tells them that it won’t work. Furthermore, we in the PE community have amassed nothing in the way of “proof” to offer an effective counterargument. Think about it – the onus is on us to disprove their theories. And from a scientific perspective, we haven’t even come close to doing this. Forget about anonymous nicknames posting their claims in an online forum, or the size database, or the occasional penis photographs – nobody has offered anything even remotely approaching “irrefutable proof” that we can add significant length to our erect penises.
I’ve read about claims of guys adding 3, 4, even 5 inches of erect length to their units – yet not one modicum of proof to substantiate those claims. In 4 different online forums, I have read of guys claiming 9 or 10 inches, and more; however, I have seen only 2 guys post pics of penises I consider genuinely HUGE (9” or more): DLD and Piet.
Yet neither of those men has included any before pics. DLD claims that he went from 6½ to (the last I’ve heard) more than 11 inches. [I’m not going to go into the controversy that ensued regarding his measuring techniques, for that’s not the purpose of this thread.] But DLD has never provided any erect pics of himself in the 6½ to 9” range – yet he’s heavily into photography (I’ve even heard that he’s a professional photographer, though I don’t know if that’s true). His paysite does show a grainy still captured from a video which purports to be of him exposing himself onstage (revealing a tiny flaccid nub), but can it be verified? Of course not. And while he’s correct to say that nobody has posted more dick pics than he has, again, none of them are in the 6½ to 9-inch range – just his big dick photos. This has prompted some to allege that he’s always had a big dick (which, of course, is exactly what the medical community would say). And Piet has a very impressive sausage, but has he posted any pics of himself with less than 8 inches (even though he’s stated that he started PE with 7 inches)?
I’m not calling anybody a liar, nor am I trying to dance around the issue with word games, I’m just trying to be as objective as possible.
Stillwantmore also has an impressive beefstick – shown at topping 8.38 inches. And while he’s stated that he began PE a few years ago, at around 6 inches I believe, I’ve never seen a pic of his unit at less than 7.5 inches. So, his photo-chronicle actually spans a range of less than 1-inch deviation. Again, not a very significant difference.
My own pics span a range of 6.12 to 7.01 inches – also less than 1-inch deviation. Hardly staggering. And while I’ve hit 7.6” just recently, the issue is a little more convoluted than that. As I’ve stated, I was 6.5 x 5.2 as a young man. I ended up losing 0.38” erect length sometime in my 30’s. So, my first 0.38” of “gains” was actually a reclamation of lost size. Don’t get me wrong, I’m grateful that I got it back – which I’m sure I would not have done without PE. But, in the grand scheme of things as they say, I’ve only actually gained a total of 1.1” of true growth – depressing, really, after more than 16 months of squeezing & stretching it.
Yet, there’s no shortage of guys who claim to have gained 2½, 3½ – even 5 inches or more of erect length. However, not one of them has clearly & convincingly chronicled those gains with photographic evidence (or any evidence, for that matter). Rather strange, isn’t it?
You can buy a digital camera at Wal Mart for less than 80 bucks. Or even a Polaroid for much less – peel the pic, then scan it into your computer….at least for your own reference. Then, if you later make significant gains, show it to us.
When I took that early, depressing pic of 6.12” EL, I knew I would sit on that pic until I made some gains. And if I made no gains, oh well, the case would’ve been closed long ago – and nobody would’ve ever seen the picture.
How could the medical community not be skeptical? I’m skeptical about claims over 2½ inches erect length gains. Why? Because I’ve never seen it! Not yet with myself, nor with anyone else providing convincing evidence. I still struggle with myself about this being “real” or not, despite the nominal – but undeniable – gains I’ve made.
I do believe that PE is possible – obviously. My unit has about 70% greater volume than when I started (but that was also after some shrinkage & mild E.D.). But I’m seriously beginning to doubt that very significant gains can be made (i.e., greater than 2½ inches erect length or more than 1¼ erect girth).
I find luvdadus’ post to be very inspiring, and he’s made very solid gains – but, again, less than the 2½-inch range I spoke of. Also, I know that if I were a physician I would not be posting pictures of my penis on the Internet. I’m sure that could be damaging to his practice, were it to leak out – especially with him being in the deep South.
I also know that Dino has stated that he’s gained around 2”, but not 2½, if I remember correctly.
But there’s been a glaring absence of other guys offering proof of their gains – not that we’re “owed” proof, but it does lend credibility and, therefore, would be greatly inspiring to the members of our covert community.
I’m sure there are guys out there saying, “Fuck him, I don’t care what he believes.” And, I suppose, you shouldn’t really care what some stranger believes. But that’s the reality – the objective reality of this strange hobby of ours.
What actually got me thinking about this thread was the response I got after posting my “trilogy” pics; really, a rather meager deviation, in my opinion: (wad’s early trilogy). From the posts, as well as messages, it struck me that a number of guys were encouraged by even such nominal gains – which got me thinking more about “realistic” gains.
I’ve read a number of guys state they believe that gains are potentially unlimited. I believe the opposite – that they’re very limited, probably far more so than we realize. I believe I may not have had such raised expectations if I hadn’t been exposed to such extreme & dubious gain claims early in the game.
We all have a right to our own opinions. I’ve always been of the school that says, “Put up or shut up.” That’s how it was at the gym I trained in, or on the field I played sports, etc. Too many guys make exorbitant claims, then act offended when somebody questions it. This happed at MOS when a guy named Red had the balls to claim a 7.4” erect girth, midshaft. He posted a strange, grainy image, then kept asking for feedback. He balked when several suggested he post a pic with a tape measure. Then it became a personal vendetta with him.
That’s the bullshit I’m referring to. And it’s also the bullshit that Jonah Falcon is involved with….13½ x 8….why not say 15 x 9?
If anyone is claiming 9” length or more, or gains above 2½ - 3 inches, I believe they owe it to us to show some evidence. If they refuse to, they have no right to be offended about disbelief. After all, we’re all struggling to keep the faith, to work hard – and we’re doing it in the face of the medical establishment’s laughter.
And this is mainly about gains – not actual current size. Anybody can be “born” with a big dick. We need to see a catalog of real gains. So we should all be vigilant, careful and HONEST.
Edit: Inserted paragraph breaks. — Ike
Last edited by Ike : 01-05-2004 at .