Honesty

Cheers, Metal Ed.

I just stumbled across this old thread. Great thread Wadzilla, by the way. Many people dismiss the fact that gains are exaggerated on the effect of “what do I have to gain being here 3 years and coming up with this elaborate history, I am not selling anything.” I read almost all of the replies to this thread and I have a slightly different explanation that I didn’t see mentioned anywhere here.

I believe that many men use these forums as an outlet to their fantasy world. Many come, post about huge dicks and what they do with their huge dick and what they want to do when they get their huge dicks, ect.. I believe that many here have made large gains, I know I have gained a little bit, but many here don’t lie to get others to believe them, THEY ARE LYING TO THEMSELVES! I, along with many, can attest to seeing members here claim freakish size/gains and then they are finally prodded into posting pictures and while you cannot know the exact size of a dick for sure due to differences in hand size, angles, ect, many are adding a good 2-4 inches to their true measurements, lol. I have seen this.

I don’t put forth my theory to call anyone out here, and I know that we are not all “full of shit.” I have seen good evidence that PE works and while my gains are modest, I HAVE gained. However, it is shocking when we have thousands of members, most of them claiming gains of a few inches, and a decent amount claiming even more than that, it is kind of sketchy that I can only think of about a half dozen members who have clear pics chronologing the gains of a fraction of an inch.

Interesting thread. But I disagree with Wad’s analysis. Once empirical evidence contradicts theory, theory must fall by the wayside. It is the realm of the real, of the observable, that is king, not conjecture or theory. I’ll provide an illustration. One of Einstein’s many fuckups was his stubborn insistance that the universe was essentially fixed and was not growing or contracting. So convinced was he of this belief that he introduced a Cosmological constant into his equations to counter the expansion which his very own theoretical work had predicted! This idea of a fixed Universe - harboured by a few others - was thoroughly and completely destroyed by Hubble. How? He looked into a giant Telescope and could see it with his own eyes(it’s a little more complicated but I won’t bore anyone). He arranged for a meeting with Einstein. The two met. Einstein saw what Hubble saw. He caved. Theories are nothing, if they can’t be reconciled to the available empirical evidence. That’s the point of a theory, to accurately describe phenomena. Failing in this they become superstition.

I think the penis is capable of change. If you can gain even a quarter of an inch, then PE works.

I mean, hanging makes total sense. Jelqing seems to make sense. If you regularly forced your penis to be even slightly bigger than normal, then kept doing it, wouldn’t it just naturally become larger?

The thing with good PE workouts is that the really good, productive workouts are hard to keep repeating. Not every session will be a great one. But I think that if you can get your penis in a state which increases it’s size, then stayed there for as long as possible or as often as possible, the size increase would eventually stick.

I’m not too concerned with what other people say about their results. I’ve got mine. My gains are not dramatic, but they are there. That’s all the proof I need. I don’t know if I will ever make my dick as big as I’d like it to be, but I don’t care how long it may take. Once I found out about PE, that was it. I’ll probably do it forever.. Just for fun.

Graphs, (of data pulled from size’s PE data site), using independently entered data from hundreds of users show a clear trend of “average” gains.

Not everyone has the desire, or the means to post pictures of their erect penis on the internet, but the anecdotal evidence shows that PE works, in a predictable fashion.

GM

huff,

It’s late, I’m tired, and I can’t figure out what you mean.

What analysis are you disagreeing with?

Btw, I do agree that empirical evidence obviously takes precedence over mere theory; theory is only the beginning of a scientific quest - the results must not be ignored.

But again, how does this apply to this thread?

Yup I’m with the wadman.

When you factor iether unitss still growing through young age or recovered lenght from inactivity I think more than 1 ” length and 1/4” girth pretty damn rare.

As for total unit length I had asked sometime ago if anyone her could show a unit well into the 9’s
Did I see one ? Not the way I measure ! Nope !

My two cents’ worth: gaining “just” an inch and “just” half an inch girth is huge in terms of percentage volume size gain. So even if that is all that PE does, it is pretty wonderful. We are pretty much all agreed here, without debate, that you can go from average (5.9” length non-bone-pressed and 5” girth, based on the best surveys) to big (6.9” length and 5.5” girth), which will put you in the top 10% in dick size. Whatever else is true or untrue, who cares? Whether it is just bringing an atrophied dick back to life, or true tissue growth, again — who cares? My dick has gone from big to very big. Two inches? No way, and I don’t expect it. And, 1/2 inch girth gain would be FINE for me. Dangle

Ugh. It’s threads like these that I hate to read but if it’s the truth then I still don’t want to hear it. I guess ignorance is really bliss.

Here’s the way I look at this: I’m 25 and I don’t have anyone ED or any loss size in all my years so my natural dick is pretty much as big as it will always be. You mean to tell me that if I gave PE my best shot (5 years minimum)- and I’m talking about an effort that’s better than 99.9999% of guys here- I’ll still only max out at 1 inch in length gains and 1/2 for girth? Well, I’m going to play the role of a MADMAN and pretend I can’t understand logic and reason. I look at this stuff like most people look at religion: ” Yeah man, I’m 100% sure my saviour is waiting at the pearly white gates for me. I don’t have any real evidence, but I just believe.”

After reading hundreds of threads on PE for three months, and still not one substantiated report on big gains- like 2 1/2 X 1 1/2 - I have to say I still believe in big gains. If I don’t have faith in this, then what else do I have?

mapson,
dangleman is right about the volumetric size - “only” 1 inch EL & 1/2 inch EG is a lot of size. A 6 x 5 is less than 12 cubic inches, but a 7 x 5.5 is almost 17 cubic inches. Do you realize that the latter penis is 40% bigger?

You asked, “You mean to tell me that if I gave PE my best shot (5 years minimum)- and I’m talking about an effort that’s better than 99.9999% of guys here- I’ll still only max out at 1 inch in length gains and 1/2 for girth?”

I’m not saying that at all. Within about 1/2 year I had gained 1” EL & 1” EG. Overall, I’ve gained about 1.6” EL in less than 2 1/2 years of active PE. I’m just saying to put this into perspective, and don’t pay much attention to claims of outrageous gains.

I’ll join you, ignorance really is bliss here. I have no idea how much effort anyone invests in P.E. so why worry and bog yourself down with someone’s shortcomings. I do have compassion for guys hitting the brick wall, but the wall is often hit on purpose for one reason or another.

This has worked well for me, I could care less about learning the whys and how’s. I take a stupidly simple approach to it, I see my goal in my hands on a daily basis, I do things that WILL increase the size, I see it through. There is no need for measurements along the way, this would be against my faith.

Nothing, IMO, I would not bother trying to convince someone it works and pictures on the net are just pictures on the net. It takes a huge leap of faith to gain anything relevant.

This is an excellent thread!

I volunteer.

I have not started PE yet because i’m still battling smoking. Once I do stop smoking I will start PE within the week. I anticipate this will be sometime in May. I will take plenty of before pics, post them here, and not alter them in any way unless it’s to get them down to regulation size.

I also volunteer to be independently measured by a physician. Now I have a urologist who I think is pretty cool and might go along with it. I have an appointment with him later next month and will ask him at that time. If he doesn’t I need some ideas where I might find one in the NY area. I don’t know where luvadus is or if any other pysician on the board is willing to come out of the PE closet. If you are and you read this and are in the NY metro area let me know.

These are my current stats as I have measured them and will post pics in a thread detailing my progress once I start PE:

Nbpfl 1.5”
Bpfl 2.75”
Fg: 3.25”
Bpel 4.5”
Eg 4”

I’ll be a guinea pig. Just tell me where and when.

Jason,

I’m told that one of the main problems for smokers kicking the habit is what to do with their hands. I’ve got good news for you - this may be a big advantage for PE. Next time you get the urge, pull out your dick and give it a 5 minute workout. Instead of fidgeting with your hands, you’ll get some good work done. So don’t wait with PE.

The bottom line is that someone needs to take 50 guys of all shapes and sizes, measure them personally, give them an identical routine, start them on the same date, then measure them at intervals of 3, 6 and 12 months and see what you come up with. In addition, a survey should be completed by each member of the study that discusses how well they stuck to the routine.

There at least you would have a scientific study of whether PE works. I am surprised that a urologist out there has not done this.

This was a pretty interesting discussion