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Honesty

Thanks for a lot of great responses - and none hostile, either :)
I wasn’t “issuing a challenge” with this thread, just venting some of my own frustrations & doubts.

I would contend, however, that many guys do stick with PE, even without gains. I think of a member here, “Mike” I believe, who disclosed in his sig that he’d been at PE for 2 years & counting. His beginning & current measurements were exactly the same. I had to marvel at his determination. And the other guy, as I mentioned, devoted an entire year for a 0% difference. I’m beginning to suspect that there’s a great variation amongst men regarding PE benefits - not only on the question of how much growth, but perhaps even any growth whatsoever.

And, as I stated, I do believe that EL gains above 2.5” & EG gains above 1.25” are extremely rare - though not impossible. I just find those guys who casually toss around such number (and even greater gains) to be somewhat suspect, in my opinion.

And I believe that SS4 took a very long time to see any growth whatsoever. I have personally gone through a thoroughly demoralizing 12-month stretch with only a 0.5” EL gain.

And the question of “standardization” is indeed a tricky one. I’m not claiming to have the answers. I just think it would be beneficial to the individual - and the community - to take a clear starting pic with a ruler. Sit on it for as long as you feel you need to, but when you’ve made good gains, take a current pic & post them both - and your routine, of course! As well as any observations, lessons, struggles, blind alleys, etc.

It does us no good (perhaps even harm) when a guy comes into a forum claiming to have gained 1.5” EL in 5 weeks by jelqing 10 minutes in the shower, every other day. And guys who post enormous size increases can indeed discourage hard gainers; however, with a photo chronicle, those big gains could serve as great inspiration (I know they would greatly inspire me).

I’ve taken pics of my unit that I thought I’d never post - but I’m glad I did. Although, I recognize that it could be a double-edged sword. I remember a new member recently posted some pics of a very thick unit (I can’t remember his nic, he was a bodybuilder). I didn’t doubt his claims, but he was quickly attacked - to my surprise. He did “Put up, not shut up” by posting a link to a video of him brandishing said beefstick. He was legit, but he subjected himself to a bunch of shit simply by doing what I’m suggesting we should do. So, posting a pic is not without risk.

Great post, Wad !

I agree and disagree at the same time. I believe a lot of the gain claims made by DLD, for example, have been grossly inflated. I don’t know in what timespan he claims he has made those gains, but keep in mind that it takes a lot of time for others to just gain 0.5”. He started at 4.5” and went up to 9” if I’m not mistaken in a very short time period, compared to others.

It got me thinking, but at the same time dedication must have played a role, too. I still think it is possible to gain 2” - 3 ” if you got the time on your hands and have a good & solid routine. Unfortunately, I got the routine but sometimes not the time on my hands. But I’m still hanging in there….


Make it huge....!

Uncut4Big / Mike

wadzilla

Another great post by one of my favorite posters!! The way I look at it if a guy said he gains 3 inches in a year and he ain’t selling nothing I really don’t give a shit but if tries to sell me something than I will call him on it. The facts for me is that PE is a very slow process it took me almost 4 years of pretty consistent PE to gain my 2.25 in length and 1 in girth, I have weights hanging from my dick now I really wanted to go to the gym before work but here I sit trying to get 2 hours in before work. I do have have pictures before during and I will take some at the end when I reach my goal I really don’t have that many ruler pictures but the difference is night and day. In my first pictures my erect dick maybe sticks 2 inches out of one hand now the head of my dick sticks all the way out when I grab my erect dick with two hands, just to note I’m 6-3 and have huge hands.

I don’t know if gains will stop but I can sure tell you they get harder has you go! I also reclaimed size I measured almost 7 inches at 21 and a very unhealthy 6.25 in my 30’s so a big part of my gains was reclaimed size but it’s still a gain. When I first started gains came easy now it’s very hard for me.

As far as guys starting out big and claiming to start small that has always been my thinking with some guys, but people want to believe that massive growth is possible so they will overlook a lot of the facts.

With me the proof is in my pants and that’s all I care about, sometimes I don’t believe it myself that it is possible. The best proof you can get is to keep growing.

As far as posting pictures I may some day but I don’t know, I also have my old pictures on a zip disk and no longer have a zip drive. At the very least I will do a beginning through to the end picture thing for my self and some trusted friends on the forum.

Well time to take off the bib and get the dick all warmed up for another set of hanging

Dino


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

I agree 100% with everything you said Wadzilla.

I also agree with Yguy though, I really don’t give a hoot if the medical community,
ever believes it.

I’m an LPN and Luvdadus is a Doctor,
there’s two in the medical community that believe it.
Of course you mean, overall acknowledgement and acceptance.

The medical community will always say, yea, maybe it works to an extent,
but nothing beats a $5,000.00 operation.
I think that’s wrong, I think equal gains can come from PE.

One could argue, that they wouldn’t have to spend so much time on it,
if they had an operation.
One could then say, “Yea, but I didn’t have to get a dead man’s
skin wrapped around my dick, or have a very painful/scarring graft procedure performed.”
Both at a pretty high price for most.

Also, if you get your ligs cut, you STILL have to hang anyways.

Sadly, I didn’t take any before pics, but I know I measured as best and as
hard as I could before getting the power jelq in the mail and embarking on my PE journey.
I was definitely 6.5” in length and 5” in girth.
This is after using a pump sporadically for over a year.

In a little over a month I’m now at 7.5” x 5.5”

My routine some would think minimal, because I do not do it 6 days a week, far from it.

I hot wrap, stretch for a bit briefly, dry power jelq for half an hour,
then wet jelq using an overhand OK grip, for half an hour using
an almond oil preparation famed by the late, great Edgar Cayce.
Both types done sitting on the edge of the bed, as erect as can be.
Most jelqs, manual or power, I do straight out or lower,
rarely higher.
Hot wrap again, then hang for half an hour, (not erect of course) using either the bib starter or the wench.
Hot wrap again, then pump, starting off at 7 and increasing to 12 over the course of 45 minutes
or until I get the donut effect, for the last minute or so I wind it up to 15.
I then wear a cock ring, around the balls and cock for a minimum of an hour.
I also wear it for like 4 hours out of the day, for each of the three successive rest days.
The only other thing I do PE wise, outside of the session,
is kegel when I piss, holding for like 10 seconds each time I kegel,
getting at least 10 of those out of each time I piss.
This is like three hours in all, and I’ve done this twice a week max,
many times only once, giving myself a minimum three days rest.
I do all of these things very intensely, each thing is done with great intent,
I’m not fucking around here, the sonuvabitch is going to grow,
there is no mercy for the poor fellow.
When I do the entire routine, I have not failed at the end of the three days rest to measure and find an eighth inch of growth.
A few times, I would just manual and power jelq for half an hour each,
there was no increase in length, just a bigger flaccid hang.

My erections are definitely harder than I can ever remember them being.
The first two days following one of these sessions, there just damn good.
By the end of the third day, I know for a fact, if I could remove it from
my body, so I would feel no pain, I could easily drive nails into wood
with the damn thing.

I don’t know why I seem to be gaining a lot faster than most others,
I don’t know if it’s what I do as far as PE is concerned, or my particular body makeup.
I have an uncle who lifts incredible amounts of weight when he works out, yet his arms, flexed and pumped measure 171/2 inches around.
I told him one day, after watching and helping him with his entire workout,
“If I ever lifted the kinds of weight you do, I would make Arnold look like a prepubescent boy.”
He was like, “What are you talking about”?
I said, “Listen, I don’t know if your overdoing it, but all I have to do is look at this kind of weight and my arms would be bigger than yours, my arms are the same size as yours right now, and I haven’t worked out in I don’t know how long.”
I then told him, “I’ll bet you $200.00 I can put an inch on my arms in a month.”
He laughed and said deal, we shook on it, he measured my arm, same as his, 171/2”,
a month later, he had to pay up.
I came over his house, we went in his basement where he had wrote my measurement on a floor joist and using the same tape, measured 18 3/4”
At first, he accused me of doing steroids, we argued a bit about it,
but he finally had to admit it was possible, but still we couldn’t figure out why he doesn’t get the same results.

I don’t know if I’ll ever get a 2 1/2” length gain, who knows.
That would put me at 9” which is what I really want.
I’m dying to go back to this size queen I know and whip it out on her, she won’t be getting it, I’m just going to let her see it.
Success, the sweetest revenge.
I also don’t know what I’ll change in my routine, when I start to plateu.
I’ll probably just increase hanging and stretching time.

I think the medical community knows it exists and works, but there’s little money to be made from it, but an operation, well now, that’s a different story.
To me, the less people that know, the better. I’m not interested in every guy in the world knowing, so that the average size is no longer 6”


Last edited by EZ Rider : 01-05-2004 at .

Good post Wad. I wasn’t going to respond to this thread at first because my beliefs were already posted in most of the other replies, but there is one part of your post I’d like to comment on.

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What actually got me thinking about this thread was the response I got after posting my “trilogy” pics; really, a rather meager deviation, in my opinion: (link). From the posts, as well as messages, it struck me that a number of guys were encouraged by even such nominal gains - which got me thinking more about “realistic” gains.

I think the reason you didn’t receive a better response is because the pics brought about the same disbelief that you state here. Your pics don’t show the base of the ruler pressed to your pelvic bone, it’s a close shot of your unit that doesn’t allow for any points of comparison, and only one of the three pics has a ruler that is easy to read. These attributes in your pictures probably brought up doubt in people’s minds before thoughts of praise. And since you are a revered poster here, people probably chose to not reply at all instead of questioning you. I personally believe your gains at your word, but your pictures don’t really show them.

From a hard gainers perspective, it may be impossible to gain at such a rate with so little work. I will be the first to admit that my NBP has increased only a little over an inch. With which, I believe is my true gains. I believe that the other .5 comes from angles and skin thickness decreasing from repeatedly jabbing the ruler in. But, I am happy to have that 1 inch regardless and that, I cannot account for by any other means besides PE works.

I also posted a video after feeling some doubt on my pics being that size. I didnt feel as though I had to do it, more that I wanted to clear any doubt. I am sorry I never took a starting pic. I did take a mid term pic but I do not recall my exact size when I took it.

If someone would like anymore proof, please feel free to question me. My girlfriend is also a member here and she will also attest to the last .5..

Good Luck Guys!!!
Cya@9

hellooo

i think it’s not possible to gain more than “good” 2 inches.

Why? A penis is not the same as chest e.g. - it is a comparably complex structure. You just can’t say “pack more weight and you will gain”. If you have little to start with, you can not expect to expand these structures to these of a born 8-9’ guy.

I have 5.5 inches to start with (i started today). I want 6.5 - i think that’s realistic. If i hit it, I will try to go for a big one, but if i can’t gain no more - so what!

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Originally posted by wadzilla
And I believe that SS4 took a very long time to see any growth whatsoever. I have personally gone through a thoroughly demoralizing 12-month stretch with only a 0.5” EL gain.

Wad, I went two years with bupkis. Then had surgery and LOST an inch. Reported the sordid story in my first post But eventually, I either found stuff that worked, or found that sweet spot where intensity meets desperation and I started moving. I wish there was a magic pill (I did try them), or a working device (tried them too), but in the end it came down to dedicating massive amounts of time daily and believing - believing - that it would work if I just stayed the course. 5 years later, I am doing pretty well. Reached my goals yet? Nope. Proved to myself it works? Yep. Proved to others? Hell, I don’t care to prove it to them. They believe or not, their choice. I show a path that worked for me, and invite them to try it. I don’t require belief in me, just in themselves.

I was thinking about this after I first read your post and responded. You know, even if I did have picture proof, I wouldn’t post it. (And now that I think of it, I am sure I can find some - my phalloplasty doctor took before and after butchery photos, I bet I can get them). As you mentioned, it would be attacked anyway. And my dick would be on the web. And somebody’s feelings would get hurt, most likely mine. I would rather be called a liar because I provide no proof than a liar because I do. This PE thing is too important to me to just get chased off by naysayers. That is why I lurked for years here before posting. I had to wait to have something to post about, and even still I am fearful of some subjects.

It’s like Buddhism. Even if I prove it to you, it wont mean anything until you sit down, shut up and meditate. Then you can know for yourself. If you think PE is fake, that we are selling a bill of goods, you don’t have to listen or participate. If you do it for a short time, like a beginning Buddhist, you might see some truths - but probably not. Enlightenment is a long, difficult, time consuming process - in both the Buddhist world and PE. The absolute desperation for results is a necessary driving factor for both, as is the need to believe in the impossible. With merely a hope for results, what can one expect to gain? And would proving that it works for me prove also that it would for you? And if we are both successful individually, does it mean the truth we both have found is even similar? No, PE is not quantifiable yet. Science is not interested in the process, and even if they were I doubt the ability of science to quantify PE.

It is still religion Wad. Believe and be saved, doubt and go to Hell with a small penis.


"In an honest Service there is thin Commons, low Wages, and hard labour; in this (Piracy), Plenty and Society, Pleasure and Ease, Liberty and Power; and who would not balance Creditor on this side when all the Hazard that is run for it, at worst, is only a sour Look or two at choaking. No, A merry Life and a short one, shall be my Motto."--Bartholomew Roberts

I’ll save you the trouble, mods and ThunderSS.

Please read the forum guidelines iam, start every sentence with a capital letter,
when referring to yourself, capital I please.

Good post, Wad. Although the issue you bring up is entirely possible, I (perhaps unrealistically) tend to be a little more optimistic. I WANT to believe that these huge gains are possible. I WANT to believe that I too can increase the size of my unit. I also believe that a 1” gain is in fact substantial.

Say you start of with a 6” unit and increase it to 7”. Thats a 17 percent increase in length and could be compaired to a 100 pound man gaining 17 pounds.

Think of it like this… these doctors claim and defend their opinions that PE is impossible and yet they themselves offer no proof. I see that as being no different from PE’ers not offering any substantial proof. Like you said, “Put up or shut up”. Once I see concrete evidence that PE is NOT possible I will hang up my rubber gloves and baby oil, but until then I will continue stretching my dick in hopes that one day I too will be able to sport a huge one like so many other members of this forum.


Starting 6.75 EBPL 4.85 EG Goal 7.75 NBEL 5.5 EG


Last edited by want2gain : 01-05-2004 at .

There are two key points the medical community must consider - safety and peer review.

There is no question, many guys are doing stuff that may well be dangerous and cause damage, unnecessary damage. You’ll never get a health care professional to sign on if there’s unmanageable risk.

As for peer review, the idea that a given technique works and is reproducible by other professionals, testing said technique in a controlled manner, nobody here does that. Sorry, this is unsupervised experimentation (a quality I admire and follow, but that’s just me). Unless and until somebody with clinical experience designs a trial that tests ONE aspect of PE over a period of time with controls for safety and checks to make sure everybody is doing the same thing, you can forget about wooing the medical community.

Perhaps what is needed is a call to plastic surgeons, urologists, etc. and finding a Doctor who’s willing to help with the first step - a controlled experiment.

Hope this helps,
BigHouseVinny


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Originally posted by Andrew69
Lets face it, everyone here was a newbie at some stage. How many of us would still be at it today, if after several months (or longer) of PEing with no gains?. I hazard a guess that very few indeed would. I for one would have quit a long time ago if it were not for my easy early gains.

We are around


Running a Massive Co-Front.

I think I’ll use this thread to make my first post. Even though I’m new I had a tremendous first three weeks where I gained a full inch. Unfortunately I started out very small at 4.75” X 5”, so I was still only 5.75”. In the next 5 weeks after that I gained another .25” to get to an even 6” x 5.25”. I think my third month may be a no-gainer howerver.

My theory on my quick success is that 6” is probably my true size. There is now way a penis would actually grow that much in a month, so I think I just has overly tight ligs and skin and the pulling just allowed me to release what should have been my regular length. I could be wrong on this, but it kind of makes sense to me. I feel now I will have the long and hard journey ahead of me. I hope to get to at least 7x6 and if I am still gaining I’m going to shoot for 8x6.

I hope Y Guy is on the up and up (which I think he is) because he is the one I am most inspired by since we had similar starts, and he is now at the size I’d like to get to.

I believe that it is possible for anyone to gain 2+ inches if they put in the time and work.

LOL PirateSteve. “It is still religion Wad. Believe and be saved, doubt and go to Hell with a small penis.”

I used to pull my ears when i was young. I looked like Spok until 3rd grade. I had to try very hard to stop pulling my ears. Now i pull my penis and it has been stretching out over the months. I hope to get a knick name because of how big it is.

As for the post above “My theory on my quick success is that 6” is probably my true size. There is now way a penis would actually grow that much in a month, so I think I just has overly tight ligs and skin and the pulling just allowed me to release what should have been my regular length.”

Perhaps that’s true for all of us. PE may be helping us meet our potential largest size. And that’s a good thing too. But I think my penis has reached that point and gone beyond… although the gains are much slower and smaller.


Start April, 2003: 5.75" BPEL, 5.25" Girth Current: 7.125" BPEL, 5.5"+ Girth still trying...

Whew…lol. I want to thank you for the great responses/questions, and take this time to respond.

Antistar,
>> “Well Wad, what would you suggest? A daily/weekly compilation of photos like lil2big had (although I think that photo was monthly, and no i’m not looking it up tonight) in one of his old posts?
I’m asking this as someone whose at the beginning of his PE career. If this thread can work out some sort of acceptable way to show incremental progress, I know I’d be honored to be a guinea pig and I’m sure there are others out there who would as well.”
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I don’t think a daily or weekly compilation of photos would be necessary, or even practical. Monthly would be good – but even then, they’d be months with possibly no change at all. Maybe a set schedule of gains would be nice – by increments of ¼ or ½ inch, say.

YGuy,
>> “Sorry bro, but I’m stuck with these gains. I can’t go back in time and take those pre-PE pics. I can’t offer any proof of starting at 4.5”, and I don’t have any pics of anything less than 7”. Even my Progress Report you can question, since it was started when I hit a plateau, and had started hanging at the time, hence the original name of the Progress Report at the ezboard, “YGuy Plateau”. I didn’t even start posting at PE forums, until I was 7”, I believe. Fortunately, PE is irreversible, so I can’t offer anything but 8” pics. So its out of my hands. Maybe one day I can claim 9” of length and take a picture with a ruler, so I’m able to prove it, if that is still considered proof.”
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I was not implying that you were being dishonest. I was making general observations of an overall impression. You may very well have made 3½” erect gains; I certainly don’t know otherwise. And I recognize that in any endeavor there is always the person who makes outstanding progress – far above the normative.

Cya at 8,
>> “I also think we need a standardized measuring method here. We all sit or all stand, on top or to the side…”
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Personally, I prefer to measure while seated, and on the top/side (because on the direct top, the ruler obscures your unit; but too much to the side artificially enhances the measurement).

Piet,
I stand corrected – your gains have been 1.72” (still very impressive indeed).

Dino,
>> “The facts for me is that PE is a very slow process it took me almost 4 years of pretty consistent PE to gain my 2.25 in length and 1 in girth, I have weights hanging from my dick now….I don’t know if gains will stop but I can sure tell you they get harder has you go! I also reclaimed size I measured almost 7 inches at 21 and a very unhealthy 6.25 in my 30’s so a big part of my gains was reclaimed size but it’s still a gain.”
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I always enjoy your posts – very concise and perceptive, they are. And as you’ve stated, your 2¼” length gains have been mitigated by an approximately ¾” lost-size reclamation (glad I’m not the only guy who’s dick had shrunk, lol).

stevie31,
>> “I think the reason you didn’t receive a better response is because the pics brought about the same disbelief that you state here. Your pics don’t show the base of the ruler pressed to your pelvic bone, it’s a close shot of your unit that doesn’t allow for any points of comparison, and only one of the three pics has a ruler that is easy to read. These attributes in your pictures probably brought up doubt in people’s minds before thoughts of praise. And since you are a revered poster here, people probably chose to not reply at all instead of questioning you. I personally believe your gains at your word, but your pictures don’t really show them.”
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I respect your critique of my pics – I tend to feel the same way about them. It is tough to get good dick pics, to be sure. As I explained, I had retracted my lense as far as it would go, set the timer, propping the camera on my torso while waiting for the shutter to click. But even with the macro set, it was tough to manage a good shot with my low-end camera. It took a lot of attempts – and a lot of lost erections – to manage the few pics that I have posted. And yes, the ruler is deeply bone-pressed. The reason I cropped the pics so tightly was to fit 3 of them together.
Anyway, the pics show no claims larger than 7.01” or gains more than 0.89” – not much to “lie” about really, is it? But, as you’ve pointed out, suspicions can arise – even with the pics I’ve included. How much more so, then, when somebody claims 3-4” gains – or a 9 or 10” cock – with no pics?
But I’ve thought of a new method, using a tripod – which I’ll buy when I get my new camera with my IRS refund. That should certainly solve any problems of perspective – as long as the markings on the ruler will still be clearly recognized.

iam,
>> “i think it’s not possible to gain more than “good” 2 inches….I have 5.5 inches to start with (i started today). I want 6.5 - i think that’s realistic. If i hit it, I will try to go for a big one, but if i can’t gain no more - so what!”
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While I don’t think it’s impossible, in principle, to gain beyond 2 inches – it may be for many guys (among whom I might be numbered?). But I do agree that a legit 2” is very rare to achieve. Also, I believe you’ll get your inch-plus – I did, and I’m not great gainer. Just be careful and stick with it. The gains you want might well take 1-2 years, possibly. But I believe they’re attainable.

PirateSteve,
>> “Wad, I went two years with bupkis. Then had surgery and LOST an inch. Reported the sordid story in my first post But eventually, I either found stuff that worked, or found that sweet spot where intensity meets desperation and I started moving.”
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You’re a big inspiration, man.

want2gain,
>> “Good post, Wad. Although the issue you bring up is entirely possible, I (perhaps unrealistically) tend to be a little more optimistic. I WANT to believe that these huge gains are possible. I WANT to believe that I too can increase the size of my unit….Think of it like this… these doctors claim and defend their opinions that PE is impossible and yet they themselves offer no proof. I see that as being no different from PE’ers not offering any substantial proof. Like you said, “Put up or shut up”….Once I see concrete evidence that PE is NOT possible I will hang up my rubber gloves and baby oil, but until then I will continue stretching my dick….”
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You don’t think I want to believe that 3-5” gains are possible???
But I do disagree with you on one point: The onus to disprove PE is not really on the doctors. They treat the medical aspect of urological disorders – not so much the cosmetic augmentation of the weinie. No doubt, PE is not a short-term endeavor. Perhaps some in the medical community have taken a cursory look at PE – briefly – and saw no evidence of gains, then (prematurely) wrapped up their study.

But I’ve never implied that PE was “NOT possible.” I’m simply questioning what constitutes realistic goals (for most men). And I’m also wondering aloud about some of the claims I’ve seen posted throughout 4 different forums.

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