Thanks for a lot of great responses - and none hostile, either :)
I wasn’t “issuing a challenge” with this thread, just venting some of my own frustrations & doubts.
I would contend, however, that many guys do stick with PE, even without gains. I think of a member here, “Mike” I believe, who disclosed in his sig that he’d been at PE for 2 years & counting. His beginning & current measurements were exactly the same. I had to marvel at his determination. And the other guy, as I mentioned, devoted an entire year for a 0% difference. I’m beginning to suspect that there’s a great variation amongst men regarding PE benefits - not only on the question of how much growth, but perhaps even any growth whatsoever.
And, as I stated, I do believe that EL gains above 2.5” & EG gains above 1.25” are extremely rare - though not impossible. I just find those guys who casually toss around such number (and even greater gains) to be somewhat suspect, in my opinion.
And I believe that SS4 took a very long time to see any growth whatsoever. I have personally gone through a thoroughly demoralizing 12-month stretch with only a 0.5” EL gain.
And the question of “standardization” is indeed a tricky one. I’m not claiming to have the answers. I just think it would be beneficial to the individual - and the community - to take a clear starting pic with a ruler. Sit on it for as long as you feel you need to, but when you’ve made good gains, take a current pic & post them both - and your routine, of course! As well as any observations, lessons, struggles, blind alleys, etc.
It does us no good (perhaps even harm) when a guy comes into a forum claiming to have gained 1.5” EL in 5 weeks by jelqing 10 minutes in the shower, every other day. And guys who post enormous size increases can indeed discourage hard gainers; however, with a photo chronicle, those big gains could serve as great inspiration (I know they would greatly inspire me).
I’ve taken pics of my unit that I thought I’d never post - but I’m glad I did. Although, I recognize that it could be a double-edged sword. I remember a new member recently posted some pics of a very thick unit (I can’t remember his nic, he was a bodybuilder). I didn’t doubt his claims, but he was quickly attacked - to my surprise. He did “Put up, not shut up” by posting a link to a video of him brandishing said beefstick. He was legit, but he subjected himself to a bunch of shit simply by doing what I’m suggesting we should do. So, posting a pic is not without risk.