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Has anyone gained using the O-BEND?

Originally Posted by mgus
Why do Orange bends, ulis, sadsak slinky, horses work better for girth? My guess is that it works like this:

According to wikipedia, the tunica consists of two parts - the outer tunica that is strong lengthwise but not as strong girthwise, and the the two inner tunicas, one for each CC, that are strong girthwise but not as strong lenghtwise. In all these excercises, you are not fully stretching your unit. When you are not engaging the outer tunica lengthwise, the pressure will be borne primarily by the inner tunicas alone, and only partly by the outer tunica, since it is weaker girthwise. Since more of the force is taken by the inner tunicas, they are stressed to a greater degree = more deformation.

Another way to describe my understanding this is that if the outer tunica is fully engaged, as in jelquing, the inner tunicas will be constricted inside the outer tunica; when the lenghtwise fibers are stressed, they will not be able to move sideways as easily as if they were lying loose side by side.


I think you nailed it mgus
Obends give outward pressure, where jelq gives inward pressure. Even though when doing an obend it feels allot like inward pressure.

If you only do obends and no jelqing you will notice you’re ejaculation just plop out, like it would if you only vacuum pumped. And conversely if you only did jelqs and no obends you will find you ejaculation shoot out far like it constricted.


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DE,

What exactly do you mean by outward pressure?


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DE,

I’m not sure what you mean with inward / outward pressure.

If you take a Theraband and stretch it lengthwise, it is “prestressed” and will only stretch a little from side to side. Now if you relax the lengthwise stretch, I think you will find that it is easier to stretch it from side to side, right? I believe the same applies to the outer tunica. When it is not engaged, it is easier to stretch it sideways = less constriction girthwise = inner tunicas take nearly the full brunt of the force.

I tried to put words to my thoughts earlier, I’ll qoute myself from the “pressure in the penis”-thread:

“I was observing my own unit as it was manhandled in the Orange Bend fashion earlier today. When I do an Orange bend, sideways to the right, for instance, the outer (left) side of the shaft curves over to the right. The right side of the shaft is compressed, so the outer tunica is not engaged on the right side, and on the left side it is simply bent, and I can push the head towards the base to keep it from being fully stretched. But the blood in the shaft needs to go somewhere, so the two corpora bulge out circumferentially around the bend. …and here is my question:

Since I have taken the outer tunica out of action, the pressure hits the inner tunica only (the one limiting the girth). If I had the outer tunica fully active, the pressure would disperse in two directions, meaning that the force on the fibres would be half, correct? OR, by taking the outer tunica out of action, I’ve got double the force on the inner tunica as compared to the same pressure if I had both tunica active, correct?

My thinking is that when doing a Horse440 this is exactly what you are doing; only an Orange Bend is done in a more gradual and controlled fashion. But both exercises take the outer tunica out of action and forces the inner tunica to deal with the full pressure.

Am I right or just confused? “

Disclaimer:
All of the above is based on the understanding that the tunica consists of different layers, that are strong in different directions, much like plywood. I don’t see how the tunica could NOT be built like this, but I can’t wouch that there are separate envelopes around the CCs or other details, I still believe the above is valid as long as we are dealing with different layers that are unequally strong in different directions.

Edit: Modesto discusses this in post #16:

Patience…


regards, mgus

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Last edited by mgus : 04-12-2005 at .

Originally Posted by remek

I have a QUESTION for EVERYONE:

Do you KEGEL during the bending part of the O BEND?

I wanted to ask the same question.
Because yesterday I did o-bends while taking a shower and started to kegel during the exercise.
So I perform an o-bend(overhand OK grip as near as possible at the body, then bend with other hand)
And then I started to kegel 10 times. Then relax and repeat 2 times. Then I go a little bit upwards with my grip and so on.
Feels good for me. Like some extra pressure on the part that is stretched and the part before.
Plus you train your pc/bc muscle

I thinking of a new routine:
Warmup 5min
Stretching 10min
Then under shower: o-bends with fast wet jelqs in between(about 15 min)

So I would work only on low erection levels.

Your opinion on kegel while o-bending and new routine


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Changing routine, Current: jelqing, clamping, obends, kegel

Another thing:

Just did my o-bend with kegels: BE VERY CAREFUL! You can easily overdo it

I have some red spots now because I was stretching and kegeling too hard

So start slow and increase intense of your workout


Started-Oct04: 5.7/4.8; Current 6.7/5.3

Learning even more about PE(nearly every day)

Changing routine, Current: jelqing, clamping, obends, kegel

mgus,

could you ellaborate a little more?

Where does this apply:

“If you take a Theraband and stretch it lengthwise, it is “prestressed” and will only stretch a little from side to side. Now if you relax the lengthwise stretch, I think you will find that it is easier to stretch it from side to side, right? I believe the same applies to the outer tunica. When it is not engaged, it is easier to stretch it sideways = less constriction girthwise = inner tunicas take nearly the full brunt of the force.”


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Originally Posted by did
Another thing:
Just did my o-bend with kegels: BE VERY CAREFUL! You can easily overdo it
I have some red spots now because I was stretching and kegeling too hard
So start slow and increase intense of your workout

I do kegels while doing o-bends as well. I am curious if it helps at all…


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Isn’t the Tunica the part that gets hard when you are erect?

My attempts to gain girth is based on expanding the corpus cavernosum, and the corpus spongiosum and forcing them to break down rebuild and store more blood, thus making the erection bigger. I’m no anatomy expert, but isn’t this the concept behind jelqing? When I jelq or do obends I have little to no erection hardness, I have a giant swelled up unit even bigger than an erection, but virtually no hardness.

When jelqing, it exerts inward pressure on you’re cc and cs. When doing obends it exerts outward pressure just like vacuum pumping does. I feel vacuum pumping is useless because the pressure is to indirect, however obends are pin point, your bend only effects the exact area you bend in. So you have to move the bends around to hit everywhere. I have experienced allot more growth at the base doing obends because I didn’t move by base grip hand. You have to move the base grip hand and make the bends up along the shaft.


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Originally Posted by remek
mgus,

could you ellaborate a little more?

Where does this apply:

“If you take a Theraband and stretch it lengthwise, it is “prestressed” and will only stretch a little from side to side. Now if you relax the lengthwise stretch, I think you will find that it is easier to stretch it from side to side, right? I believe the same applies to the outer tunica. When it is not engaged, it is easier to stretch it sideways = less constriction girthwise = inner tunicas take nearly the full brunt of the force.”


What I mean is that if the outer tunica is not fully engaged - as in Horses, Obends - since you do not have full erect elongation, then the outer tunica can stretch girthwise more easily. It is not as constricted girthwise. Did I understand your question right?

Originally Posted by deadeye
Isn’t the Tunica the part that gets hard when you are erect?

My attempts to gain girth is based on expanding the corpus cavernosum, and the corpus spongiosum and forcing them to break down rebuild and store more blood, thus making the erection bigger. I’m no anatomy expert, but isn’t this the concept behind jelqing? When I jelq or do obends I have little to no erection hardness, I have a giant swelled up unit even bigger than an erection, but virtually no hardness.


I am no anatomy expert either, but I have understood the tunica to be the limiting factor, your normal blood pressure will stretch it to a certain size - kegeling and temporarily increasing the blood pressure will temporarily increase the size as it the tunica stretches, as will clamps. But it seems to me that the tunica - being real tough tissue - seems hard since it is blown up like a fire hose. The fire hose is also kind of soft when empty, but once you have the pressure in it it is all hard. What seems hard is really the inability to move the pressure around inside the hose, as all other sides of the hose are equally unyielding. Jelquing also increases the blood pressure temporarily. I believe the tunica to be the limiting factor, and once you stretch the tunica permanently the spongy tissue will either grow in amount to keep a standard size of the holes in the tissue or else it will stretch. No idea which.

My erection is never bigger when soft - except after a session, which I believe is temporary deformation - although it sometimes seems a little longer when semierect. I’ve read other accounts of this, and I understood it as when the inner penis gets real hard it strains along the ligs, in effect pulling the outer penis slightly back in when it lines up along the ligs.


regards, mgus

Taped onto the dashboard of a car at a junkyard, I once found the following: "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement." The car was crashed.

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If I am understanding you correcltly — it is your theory that the tunica is the KEY factor in girth gains.

From your posts, your theory seems to be plausible.

I want to research more on this. Where did you find your information?


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Read posts by ModestoMan - he is really taking things apart.

Also, threads by Mbuc contain interesting posts, including links to older threads with interesting claims / finds. The inner/outer tunica came from Mbuc, he looked it up on Wikipedia, see “Pressure in the penis”. One of the last posts there is by Tube, a link to some computer generated stress analysis, interesting as well.

Post your finds, it is interesting to bounce ideas and theories among one another.


regards, mgus

Taped onto the dashboard of a car at a junkyard, I once found the following: "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement." The car was crashed.

Primary goal: To have an EQ above average (i.e. streetsmart, compassionate about life and happy) Secondary goal: to make an anagram of my signature denoting how I feel about my gains

Originally Posted by mgus
My erection is never bigger when soft - except after a session,


I use a heat pad, kegels , cock ring, and stimulating the head only get a semi full erection. I grab the base in a reverse OK and squeeze hard, hold this for about 5 to 10 seconds. Then I take my other hand put it on the tip of the head and push down and out to bend it backward. This does something right at the bend that allows it to bend down with the erection, folding precisely at the bend. I repeat this up the shaft, until the erection level is lost and I start over.

When I make this bend, mt unit is actually bigger than a normal erection, just not very hard.


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Hi

These O-bends are very interesting. I’m still a newbie, so I’m starting out very careful. What do you think, for correcting a curve, could it help to always do O-bends against the curve or is it likely to just cause (further) deformation?

Have you read the “My girlfriend said those lovely words” - thread? Start next to flaccid and work up the pressure level over time (a number of sessions!), and be aware of the sensations of being “tired” arfter a session. Slow and steady wins the race yadda yadda…

About bending against the curve, I believe you will stretch tunica on the curve side = slightly straighter dick.


regards, mgus

Taped onto the dashboard of a car at a junkyard, I once found the following: "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement." The car was crashed.

Primary goal: To have an EQ above average (i.e. streetsmart, compassionate about life and happy) Secondary goal: to make an anagram of my signature denoting how I feel about my gains

Any new updates on O-bend gains?

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