HA! Look this guy!!

Penis-enlargement products: Do they work? - Mayo Clinic

"Beware of penis-enlargement scams
Considering penis enlargement? Don’t waste your money on ineffective and possibly dangerous male-enhancement pills, pumps, exercises and surgeries.
If you’ve seen the "Austin Powers" movies, you may have laughed at Austin for owning a penis-enlargement pump. But you also may have been thinking, "Hmm. I wonder if something like that could give me an extra inch or two."

Penis-enlargement products aren’t difficult to find. Men’s magazines, sports radio shows and Internet sites are filled with advertisements for pumps, pills, weights, exercises and surgeries — all of which supposedly can increase the length and width (girth) of your penis. Even if you’ve never visited an Internet porn site, you’ve likely received many unsolicited e-mails for products and services that promise to make you more of a man.

These come-ons are based on several stereotypes about men’s insecurities. The "male enhancement" industry assumes that every man:

Is afraid he has a small penis
Believes he’d be a better lover if he had a bigger penis
Is looking for a way to safely and effectively increase his penis size
Don’t fall for it. No scientific research supports the use of any nonsurgical method to enlarge the penis, and no reputable medical society endorses penis-enlargement surgery performed for purely cosmetic reasons. Because many of these techniques can damage your penis and even cause impotence, think twice before trying any of them"

"Nonsurgical methods of penis enlargement
Marketers offer many different types of nonsurgical penis enlargement, and often promote them with serious-looking advertisements that include endorsements from "scientific" researchers.

But if you look and read closely, you’ll see that claims of safety and effectiveness are completely groundless. Because no reputable scientific research validates any type of nonsurgical penis enlargement, marketers rely on testimonials and before-and-after photos that may not be authentic.

At the bottom of such advertisements, you’ll usually find a sentence such as "These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration." Well, of course they haven’t been. The Food and Drug Administration, the government agency that regulates medications and medical devices, has never approved any medications or devices for enlarging a penis.

There are four basic types of nonsurgical penis enlargement:

Manual stretching or squeezing (jelquing). These exercises are supposed to be performed 30 minutes a day for an indefinite period of time. Although they may be safer than other methods, they can lead to scar formation, pain and disfigurement.
Stretching with penile weights. This technique is very likely to cause permanent penile damage.
Vacuum pumps. Because pumps draw blood into the penis and make it swell, they’re useful in the treatment of impotence (erectile dysfunction). This may create an illusion of a larger penis, but results are seldom permanent. Repeated use can damage elastic tissue in the penis, leading to less-firm erections.
Pills and lotions. These usually contain vitamins, minerals, herbs or hormones such as testosterone. Although topical testosterone is sometimes used on adolescent boys to accelerate puberty, there’s no evidence that it or any other substance can increase penis size in adult men. In 2002, authorities in the state of Arizona seized the assets of a penis-pill company, in part because the owners fraudulently claimed their product would deliver a permanent gain of 1 to 3 inches. The company owners also refused to honor their money-back guarantee, committing yet another fraud."

Sounds to me like the author of this has a severe case of SPD - Small Penis Disorder! :rofl:

That´s the Mayo Clinic, as reputable a medical institution as can be. Still, what he claims is that there´s no research to claim that PE works, not that there´s research to claim that PE DOESN´T WORK.

It´s a responsible stance anyway since many men have issues so strong that might lead them to head carelessly into penis enlargement, which most you guys know is a stupid, stupid idea.

If the PE community was ACTUALLY churning out a large number of people making large gains, we would have more people than we do posting the before and after chronology of their gains. Sure, we have a decent amount of big dicks pictures, but most of them started that way. The burden of proof lies on US and you shouldn’t mock the doctors who laugh at us because we have given them no reason to think otherwise. And also if I read that right, he didn’t say PE wasn’t possible, he said there is no proven methods for PE which is a little different of a statement.

PE does not work.

:)

Better yet, lets all put our gains together! We got 57,258 members, so lets say that JUST a 25% of them are ACTIVE members, (14,314), and now 50% of those active members do their rutine (7,157)….so, there is 2” gainers, 1” gainers, .5” gainers, .3” gainers , and the ones that haven’t gain a bit, so lets put the worst case scenario, that all our “active” members gain “equally” .3” a year…. just .3”!!! how much is that? 2147” worth of gains!!!!!

———————-2147 inches of dick meat a year!

SIT ON THAT MAYO CLINIC! :p

(Anyone know how much a penis weight per inch? so we can tell how much extra meat we bring to the world every year!!!) :cool:

Yes, great points. Hopefully, 8-Ball, Thunder’s excellent “before and after” pics thread tacked to the top of the Member Pics forum will encourage more guys to chronicle their whole PE journeys with measured shots, and we’ll accumulate more “proof” that PE works.

The only part of the article that really bothered me was the author’s suggestion that nonsurgical penis enlargment methods obviously lead to ghastly consequences, while at the same time the author points out that no research has been done on such methods of enlargement!

Quote from the site:

” A penis is considered abnormally small only if it measures less than 3 inches when erect, and even then it might not matter”

Yeah right…

Disbelievers… they make me laugh…

Vagabond: You spotted the subtlety. There can’t be research proving PE doesn’t work, because you can’t prove a negative. All they can say is “we tested X technique with this method and it did/didn’t work”.

It doesn’t actually matter how many success stories we bring up, because a scientific study involves a researcher making observations at the start, and later observing results. I have noticed in scientific tests of bodybuilding supplements and techniques, that they frequently disprove a proposition of their own, which no one was promoting. For example, they will prove that 50mg of a supplement taken daily for 1 month has no effect on muscle growth, when the bodybuilders claimed results from 500mg taken daily for 6 months. A scientific study of PE would have to cover a few years, and would need a large sample size because success very individual.

I think ToshkoiMex’s figures are optimistic. If gym memberships are any guide, very few people have enough discipline to maintain a regime for long enough to get good results. Gyms make most of their money from people who sign up for 12 months in an enthusiastic moment, work out for about 2 weeks then fade out.

Ok, ok, maybe I exaggerate a little with the cold numbers…. :p , so, instead of taking the suscribed members percent, lets take the max online users ever number ,1117 and still a lazy .3” gain per year! (why? read my previous post!) so, that is 335” worth of gains a year (almost 10 yards!). So, this site provides a 10 yards gain a year! (and I’m just considering the max online users only!)

——— STILL 335 inches of dick meat a year! (still a good number, right?)

SIT ON THAT AGAIN, MAYO CLINIC! :cool:

(How much a penis weight per inch? anyone?)

Yes Tosh, and if we were to divide those 335 inches of gains by a very modest length of 8 inches, that would mean 41 women would be very, very pleasured. That is motive enough for all this! Wouldn’t you agree?

So, we give the world 41 brand new 8” dicks every year…right? COOL! :thumbs:

41 places to sit for the people on Mayo Clinic…

….SIT ON THAT 41 TIMES, MAYO CLINIC! :p

And to think I have spent all this time reading this site. I’m glad I never wasted any time actually attempting PE. Now I know it wouldn’t have worked anyway. I just got done reading the 9/11 Commission report and watching Flight 93. I’m glad they set me straight on not to question anything the authorities say. I like authoritative studies telling me what to think and when to think it. I don’t like thinking much though. I like mayonnaise. Thanks Mayo Clinic!

:rofl: ^

I know this might just be far fetched paranoia, but is it possible that there’s a political backing behind the lack of manual/non surgical PE publicity? I mean, there are so many religious groups out there trying to stop stem cell research. Do you think the fact that manual PE is not as mainstream/accepted as weight lifting is because of the religious issues people have with “changing what god gave you”? I’m sure that people would have some problems with manual PE books/routines just sitting in the best-sellers section at borders. Those same people are the probably the same people who think all homosexuals are damned to hell.

I’m just sort-of considering why manual PE seems to be so “underground”. Thinking about it, manual PE isn’t much different from gyms and weight lifting. Many people go to the gym and don’t gain weight or go up in weight they can lift. This is because they don’t do it consistently or correctly or at the right rate. PE is the same. People who don’t gain usually don’t gain because of those same reasons.

People at the Mayo Clinic aren’t saying “watch out for gym scams”. People will also argue that the penis pill adds are a scam and they usually are. But aren’t there an equal amount of weight lifting/muscle building pills scams? Both weight lifting and PE’ing are men trying to better themselves/overcome their insecurities, so why are they considered different?

I just believe that our world is still too uptight to accept what still COULD be, (referencing to stem cell research as well as manual PE).

Yes they do. They question supplements, fad diets, and many questionable get fit quick regimes on a regular basis.

I hope you aren’t equating the science behind weight lifting with the science behind PE. Anyone who thinks that penile tissues respond is a similar fashion to muscle tissue needs to take a few Mayo clinic 101 courses.

Like the poster above said - the onus is on us to prove that it works. I’ve been at this for three months and have seen little benefit. There IS risk to what we are doing. Generally speaking going to the gym is beneficial to your health regardless of whether or not you get bigger. I think it is safe to say that the majority of people who give PE an honest effort will see no permanent gains (some do, but most don’t). Let’s not kid ourselves folks, PE is in the early stages and blaming doctors and religious people for it’s lack of widespread acceptance is naive.