Glad PE is not recognized?

Why would people waste their time doing something that didn’t work, PE is just a crock a way to make some money off dumb Asses that believe in miracles. I mean just think what thunder makes with what he charges for membership for the ultra double secret part of the forum with all the really good exercises and secret pe tools.

This is one of those topics that comes up fairly frequently. I understand the appeal of the “Fight Club” mentality. However, in the case of PE, I disagree with it. The guys who prefer to keep PE little known are usually motivated by their concern about how they compare to other guys: They want to get ahead and stay ahead; they either don’t want guys who already have some size to get even bigger, and/or they don’t want the “average” to increase. In my opinion, this is incorrect thinking. Everyone will benefit if PE becomes more widely known and practiced. This means that you who are worried about how women judge your dick compared to other men's dicks will also benefit, if an appeal to self-interest is necessary.

Bear in mind that for the greater majority of women, there is an upper limit on the length and thickness of the cocks that they find pleasurable and, therefore, preferable. This upper limit no doubt varies from woman to woman, but it seems to be somewhere around the mythical “8 x 6.” The point being, it is not the case that if the “average” dick size became 8 x 6 that most women would come to prefer 10 x 7.

So what are some of the benefits to YOU and to others from mainstream PE?

(1) PE will be out of the closet; it will be acknowledged and encouraged. You won’t have to sneak around. And, you won’t have to forgo hanging or pumping, etc., for many hours a week because you don’t have the privacy to do so.

(2) YOU will feel better about yourself. Other men will feel better about themselves. And women will also be happier. The general level of sexual pleasure and enjoyment will increase. No one will experience less pleasure and happiness because his dick and other men’s dicks are getting bigger. (At least, no man should be made unhappy by this; if some man is saddened by this outcome, then he has serious psychological issues to work on, which are very much unrelated to PE.) In other words, I’m appealing to the utilitarian “greater happiness” principle.

(3) Once it becomes common knowledge that we can augment a man’s endowment, the whole size issue will diminish or evaporate completely. It will not matter if a man has been born with a five inch or an eight inch penis, if the five inch penis can be made into an eight inch one. Indeed, in this respect, we would probably stop talking about a man’s “endowment.” The most frustrating thing about a world without PE is the sense of helplessness that comes from not being able to do anything about your size, if you are not happy with it. This would all go away.

(4) Human knowledge about penis enlargement would increase vastly. Though we learn a lot from forums such as this, and from our experience and the experience of others, we are still very much in the Dark Ages when it comes to knowledge about how PE works. PE isn’t even a pre-science right now. When PE goes mainstream, it will receive the research attention it deserves. Our knowledge will ineviteably increase. And with this increase in knowledge, our ability to enlarge a man's unit will also increase greatly. Better equipment and techniques will be developed. But mostly, we will understand the physical variables involved in PE, and we will therefore be able to control these variables better to produce the outcome we want[/i]. We will know why some men find it easier to gain than others, and we will know what the limits are to lengthening and thickening the penis, if there are any such limits; we will be able to prevent injuries, and we will no doubt be able to achieve our goals in better time. Look at how scientific research has been able to assist men with ED (or those who want a little “recreational” boost); consider how this research is now about to assist men with premature ejaculation. In both of these cases, everyone benefits from this increase in knowledge. Do you honestly think that it will be anything less when PE begins to receive proper scientific attention?

In my opinion, PE will go mainstream; indeed, I believe that we are witnessing the beginning of this process now!

Despite the above, there are some men who would still prefer PE to remain a “secret society.” Their bottom line is, “I want to stand out; I want to be bigger than other men; I want women to notice me and not other men; I want other men to suffer and feel bad about themselves while I feel great and wonderful and powerful!” I can only repeat, the issue that these men are struggling with is a psychological one, and it really has little or nothing to do with penis size. It is not necessary for you to gain your own happiness at the expense of others.

Yes. I’m extremely glad that PE works, but takes a lot more time and dedication than most people are willing to contribute. I haven’t PEed since this past March, but I am taking a long break (while restoring my foreskin). I’m glad that one day I’ll begin PE again and have those hopeful beginner gains once again :)

PE’s a crock, no one in their right mind would believe you can make your dick bigger.

It’s all a scam I tell you, a scam!!!

I agree it should be an underground thing, with cult status. It has to be said, once something goes mainstream, it turns shit. Motivated I think you are way off, mainstream PE will neither be good or happen. 1. the time factor, i mean most people don’t have(or find) time to exercise 2. even more pressures on men, especially teenagers, also are we supposed to tell our kids(if/when we have them) to doPE otherwise they will never get laid, or get laughed at? Hell no 3. not all women can handle big cocks, physiologically humans where never meant to have a 12” cock, and women weren’t meant to handle them

I’m around averge. If more guys start doing PE it may up the average a little bit, and make me smaller.

Sounds like Penile Communism to me. Everyone has the same size dick.

I agree with your third point, that not all women can handle a big cock, and I stated this myself. This is an important part of the debate: Even if all men jelqed their dicks to 8 x 6, it would not be the case that most women would therefore come to prefer sizes larger than this, for example, 10 x 7. This is a reason to prefer that PE go mainstream.

Your second point is an interesting one. I think you are right to this extent: In a world where PE is mainstream, there would be some pressure on men to get with the program. But I don’t think that there would be more pressure on men. At the very least, the pressure would be different. Importantly, it would be pressure to take action. In other words, there would be something that men could do about size, which is just why some would put pressure on men. The pressure that men feel now cannot be dealt with in any such way. And let’s face it, men feel a lot of pressure in our current world about the size of their dicks. Consequently, I think that most men would be happy to trade this current pressure for a pressure to take action to make their dicks bigger.

Your first point has come up in other debates about this topic. I think that it is wrong. Yes, for a variety of reasons, not all men would practice PE, even in a world where it was mainstream and encouraged. And only a small percentage of those who do practice PE would make any considerable strides. But this would not prevent PE from becoming mainstream, just like it hasn't prevented exercise from becoming mainstream. In other words, your point refutes itself. It remains the case that all the benefits I mentioned would be available to men in a world where PE was mainstream. No doubt, some men will not avail themselves of these benefits. That is called personal choice.

Or at least, every guy can have a bigger dick, if he works at it. But I wouldn’t call it communism. Communism is the requirement to live within the same means as everyone else; it is authoritarian. I would simply like to give other men the opportunity to have a bigger knob, if that is important to them. Let’s call it the Penis Liberation Movement. The PLM is opposed to penis enslavement!

RtG, you’ve really got to stop talking like Yoda.

:)

Me too!

I never thought of having 8x6 cock. Durr! That’s out of reach.

Best regards,

D’

Poster girl for BE, see attached

I think PE by surgery is more likely to take off in years to come

I like the secret society status. It’s the closest I’ll ever come to feeling like a Skull and Bones member.

Put your poster girl in The Dive marauder.