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Girth theory: Pumping vs. clamping

Becoming flaccid during a clamping set never happened to me, so I can’t speak about.

Coming out flaccid from the tube is due to the simple fact that you are using too much vacuum and blood is forced inside the penis just by the external pressure. Being longer in the cylinder can be due to the several factors : pressure, shape of the cylinder, how much it pulls against the fat pad, edema.

The shape of the penis matters too. Mine is 1” or more shorter in the tube and it curves a lot.

Originally Posted by marinera

Coming out flaccid from the tube is due to the simple fact that you are using too much vacuum and blood is forced inside the penis just by the external pressure.

Being longer in the cylinder can be due to the several factors : pressure, shape of the cylinder, how much it pulls against the fat pad, edema.

I thought the pressure built by the rush of blood inside the ccs compressed the veins and therefore induced the erection?

No because I’m talking about length increase in the cylinder over the course of a week. I have the same fat pad, use the same pressure, and the same cylinder. Edema is not related to length.

Yes, but if edema is noticeable and the cylinder becomes tight the penis is squeezed and so stretched lengthwise furter.

‘Over the course of a week’, I am lost now : the point is that you are longer in the cylinder than when you have an erection, right? Then the explanation can be found in the factors I mentioned. Erection is provoked by blood pressure. Size in the cylinder is provoked but the vacuum. Pumping flaccid just means that is the vacuum doing all the work. I don’t know why a stretched but ‘not erect’ tunica should be any different than a ‘stretched because erect’ tunica.

I don’t know how true this idea is either, but I’m curious about it.
The suggestion with dynamic pumping is to suddenly switch to higher vacuum pressure in order to stretch the tunica . I wonder if there is a possibity the penis will be less filled girth wise but more length wise, therefore allowing for a greater stretch.

I made progress over the course of the week measuring length in the cylinder. I use the same routine, first I could reach a bit above 19-19.3 cm (8 hg), today I reached 20.6 (8hg). When I would decrease the pressure to 2 hg, I was a bit less than 19 cm at first, this time I was exactly 20 cm . There is also progress during the session.

Originally Posted by Walter5169

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The suggestion with dynamic pumping is to suddenly switch to higher vacuum pressure in order to stretch the tunica . I wonder if there is a possibity the penis will be less filled girth wise but more length wise, therefore allowing for a greater stretch.

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Sure it is possible, but if you are stretching lengthwise a thinner penis you are reaching a further point without necessarily having elongated more the tunica. If you where measuring length from the sides with a tape, you would probably read the same length with a 100% erect penis and with an ‘unloaded’ stretched tunica.

I Think what needs to be comprehended here is the fact that the ligaments are what determine overall erect length. It takes some significant stretch pressure to influence ligament change. Pumping can’t produce that kind of pressure. It can enhance girth no doubt but length? No, although it might look that way when the tissues engorge with fluid which is what pumping creates.

If you want length a routine needs to be established that stretches the ligs and subsequently held at length until the matrix of the ligs are filled in with collagen which then becomes a permanent change.


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Originally Posted by marinera
Sure it is possible, but if you are stretching lengthwise a thinner penis you are reaching a further point without necessarily having elongated more the tunica. If you where measuring length from the sides with a tape, you would probably read the same length with a 100% erect penis and with an ‘unloaded’ stretched tunica.

Well in my opinion this would mean I stretch the tunica lengthwise, even though the volume may be the same . The fibers are either circular or longitudinal, so I think the direction of the stretch is important to know how the tunica is affected.
I didn’t really understand the analogy with the measuring from the side part. I always measure from the middle. If the sides may come closer the middle is still the middle of the shaft .
Same if you stretch your flaccid penis straight out or down it becomes thinner but this doesn’t mean you won’t gain length.

Monty I know you hate pumping, and you made great gains so you deserve credit, but honestly people have gained length and girth from it. As I said earlier I understand girth may appear bigger because of edema, it is not the case with length. Trust me pumping at 8-10 HG can create a hell of a pull.
Marinera would tell you surgery cuts off the suspensory ligs and yet barely any erect gains are made (correct me if I’m wrong).

I’m not even a fierce advocate of pumping, I mostly see it as a very efficient and yet lazy way to edge in an over expanded state after a manual routine. Right now I’m curious enough to give it a try.


Last edited by Walter5169 : 02-16-2015 at .

Originally Posted by Walter5169
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I didn’t really understand the analogy with the measuring from the side part. I always measure from the middle. If the sides may come closer the middle is still the middle of the shaft .
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The penis is not a perfect cylinder; tunica albuginea (what we are interested in growing, because it is the ‘limiting factor’) is actually shaped like an ellipse, seen in two dimensions; as a rugby balloon or a baseball club, as a three dimensional object. You can clearly see that when you jelq, the penis at his max engorgement will become shaped that way.

Now, if you take an ellipse and make the semi-minor axis longer, while at the same time the semi-major axis mantains its length, the perimeter of the ellipse will be longer; in the same way, if the semi-minor axis remains the same but the perimeter gets longer, then necessarily the semi-major axis will be longer (this is your EL).

Refer to this to have a more clear idea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipse

From what I understood we could approximate the front fiew of a sliced shaft (no glans) as an ellipse, I don’t really see it from the side, unless, as you said, we jelq. While pumping it isn’t squeezed at the base so as to look as an ellipse.
If I take this ellipse idea while looking at this sliced front view of the shaft , it implies jelqing and squeezes do stress the tunica and force it to grow in circumference. Of course this makes sense.

If I accept your view of an ellipse from the side, you’re saying when I make the penis wider, and the penis is as long as before, the perimeter will be more important . When the width stays the same and the perimeter increases, then necessarily the length has increased too. All of this is, if I may say, quite obvious.
But I don’t see how it prevents me from saying my pen was stretched longitudinally (so longitudinal fibers are lengthened) while pumping. As my example of stretching flaccid and straight out is, I think, quite similar.

It is actually the same : the more flaccid you are, the longer you can pull : it is like stretching the ellipse straightening the sides. So you should compare the length you have at a given level of erection, or, in the case of pumping, of ‘loading’, to get an accurate measurement. This to say that, if your penis is inflated less with the dynamic pumping, you can reach a further point inside the cylinder, but you could have stretched the same the tunica lengthwise.

I think it will be more clear this way: dynamic pumpin is to ‘regular’ pumping what JAI stretches are to ‘regular’ stretches. Now, I have figured out that simple stretches will be more effective for most of people than JAI stretches, anyway you can do the experiment by yourself. One day do how many sets of JAI stretches you feel better and see how far you can stretch the penis and how long it will remain longer after the session. Next day, do simple stretches and get same measurements, then compare. It would be an interesting experiment

My point is if I follow the same routine, use the same cylinder, the same penis and am as fat as ever, then the fact I reach further up the tube means I have made progress. As I said after the dynamic pulls of higher hg, I maintain at 2 hg and see I’m longer than I was before .

If I correctly understood what you meant, you’re saying stretching completely flaccid will provide less of a stretch, lengthwise, than stretching at 40 % erection level, and yet will allow me to have a greater length during the pull?

Walter, this is your penis when flaccid and stretched: ‘||’.

This is your penis while erect : ‘()’.

The ‘(’ is longer than the ‘|’, but since it is not straight it is tall the same.

Ok thanks for clarifying that.

Well I still believe I made progress (girth doesn’t look less important) , so I guess I’ll just have to keep going with my experiment and see what happens.

Well, 8hg isn’t extreme. I would keep short the sets though.

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