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Girth theory: Pumping vs. clamping

Originally Posted by SteadyGains
Do you believe this to be true?

I thought this could be easily disproved by clamping and you have experience clamping don’t you?

I don’t think there is much doubt. A fully loaded tunica is very rigid and will not expand much. The seeming exception ( in one sitting)I believe is really edema, the possible exception is a one layer tunica.

If the tunica is truly stretched, I don’t believe it shrinks back. Very much like priapism, its permanent.

Yes, I have clamped, and never got the big expansion (at one sitting) some talk about. Most of the “big expansion” I’ve had was edema.

Do I believe that there can be a slow girth increase from clamping? I’d have to be foolish not to, as there have been quite a few guys that have achieved it. What the mechanism actually, I don’t think we can say with certainty.

Originally Posted by SteadyGains
Here is one observation I have and a question.

When I pump, even at a very high level, my penis has no problem expanding very straight in the tube. When I clamp, my natural upward curve is accentuated.

Question:
1. What would be the difference?
2. Does this mean I need to stretch my ligaments?

1) Check and see if the glans is in greater contact on the top surface of the tube. I suspect it is curving upward in the tube also, but the walls of the tube prevents you from seeing it.

2) For what? Gains, straightening? I think because of the lack of a tough tunica, when the penis is hyper inflated, it tends to expand the spongiousum more than the corporus cavernosum…resulting in an upward curve.


Last edited by sparkyx : 02-20-2008 at .

Originally Posted by sparkyx
I don’t think there is much doubt. A fully loaded tunica is very rigid and will not expand much. The seeming exception ( in one sitting)I believe is really edema, the possible exception is a one layer tunica.

If the tunica is truly stretched, I don’t believe it shrinks back. Very much like priapism, its permanent.

Yes, I have clamped, and never got the big expansion (at one sitting) some talk about. Most of the “big expansion” I’ve had was edema.

Do I believe that there can be a slow girth increase from clamping? I’d have to be foolish not to, as there have been quite a few guys that have achieved it. What the mechanism actually, I don’t think we can say with certainty.

As it was noted, the expansion may be the primarily the CS expanding? The CS has less layers? I can assure you that my expansion is not a high percentage of fluid.

Also is there a difference in the tunica at the base of the penis? Recently I have notice substantial growth coupled with greater expansion at the base. I have been slacking off on the clamping, but the other morning I went to clamp (I use a neoprene wrap) and I was barely able to the clamp on the base of my dick due to the thickness. As a rule the base seems to expand much more than the shaft? Is this due to the thickness (width) of the CS is bigger at the base?

Sparky,

1. Try this, clamp as low as you can with two clamps for 10 to 15 minutes - maintain 100% erection.
2. Then clamp again as low as you can with one clamp - get 100% erection, and then clamp underneath the first clamp (closer to your body). Maintain 100% erection for about 10 to 15 minutes. You may even be able to click the top clamp another time.
3. Repeat Step 2.
4. Repeat Step 2 again. After a couple of minutes, take off the top clamp. Your erection will go down a little so do what you can to get it back up to 100%. Stimulation and pushing the clamp into the body as well another click or 2.
5. Wait 5 minutes and measure your base girth. You should be over an inch expansion. Is it edema?

Originally Posted by sparkyx
1) Check and see if the glans is in greater contact on the top surface of the tube. I suspect it is curving upward in the tube also, but the walls of the tube prevents you from seeing it.

You are correct, but the curve is much greater in the clamp. Aslo I can back the tube, so it would have to go pretty straight. If I try to staighten my curve in the clamp it is a very noticable higher pressure sensation.

Originally Posted by sparkyx
2) For what? Gains, straightening? I think because of the lack of a tough tunica, when the penis is hyper inflated, it tends to expand the spongiousum more than the corporus cavernosum…resulting in an upward curve.

The main reason would be for length gains.

Originally Posted by SteadyGains
You are correct, but the curve is much greater in the clamp. Aslo I can back the tube, so it would have to go pretty straight. If I try to staighten my curve in the clamp it is a very noticable higher pressure sensation.

The main reason would be for length gains.

I don’t think an upward curve means you need to stretch your ligaments. I personally think an upward curve is a good thing, but its personal preference.

If you want more length, then that will be helpful, but I think that occurs with proper pumping or jelquing. You could always do manual stretches for length. I think Wantsmores are really good. In general, fulcrum-ed stretches I think are efficient.

Originally Posted by SteadyGains
As it was noted, the expansion may be the primarily the CS expanding? The CS has less layers? I can assure you that my expansion is not a high percentage of fluid.



I don’t know, could be, makes sense.

Originally Posted by SteadyGains
Also is there a difference in the tunica at the base of the penis? Recently I have notice substantial growth coupled with greater expansion at the base. I have been slacking off on the clamping, but the other morning I went to clamp (I use a neoprene wrap) and I was barely able to the clamp on the base of my dick due to the thickness. As a rule the base seems to expand much more than the shaft? Is this due to the thickness (width) of the CS is bigger at the base?


As a rule, it seems to expand more under the clamps, Xeno and I discussed this a while back, and he wrote a thread on Elipse Strain.

Originally Posted by SteadyGains
Sparky,

1. Try this, clamp as low as you can with two clamps for 10 to 15 minutes - maintain 100% erection.
2. Then clamp again as low as you can with one clamp - get 100% erection, and then clamp underneath the first clamp (closer to your body). Maintain 100% erection for about 10 to 15 minutes. You may even be able to click the top clamp another time.
3. Repeat Step 2.
4. Repeat Step 2 again. After a couple of minutes, take off the top clamp. Your erection will go down a little so do what you can to get it back up to 100%. Stimulation and pushing the clamp into the body as well another click or 2.
5. Wait 5 minutes and measure your base girth. You should be over an inch expansion. Is it edema?


Are you saying you are constantly walking one clamp below the other…interesting technique.

I can’t say what is happening with you, but an inch of expansion is quite a bit, I can’t see how the tunica can stretch that much, then return to its original dimensions, it seems to be way past its elastic potential range for the collegen, that it would have to be plastic deformation…and that would be permanent.

T3 or Pud, what do you say here?

We assume you mean pudendum.

We wouldn’t want to get pudendum confused with Pud. :leftie:


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Last edited by Mr. Happy : 02-21-2008 at .

Originally Posted by sparkyx
Are you saying you are constantly walking one clamp below the other…interesting technique.

Yes, this is a technique I use and I think it adds a type of stretch to clamping. And the clamps are applying pressure on the lowest part of the penis that my be the most expandible.

Originally Posted by sparkyx

I can’t say what is happening with you, but an inch of expansion is quite a bit, I can’t see how the tunica can stretch that much, then return to its original dimensions, it seems to be way past its elastic potential range for the collegen, that it would have to be plastic deformation…and that would be permanent.

Sprakyx,

As I have been discussing this, I think I am coming to the conclusion that the CS is growing much more than the CC. I get a pretty consistent 1/4” to 1/2” expansion down the shaft and then much more at the base. I attributed this to my tree trunk shape, but, it could be the shape of the CS? At the base is the CS much bigger to start with?

I would really like you to try the technique and report back.

If any one else would like to try, please report back your normal expansion and then your base expansion using my method.


Last edited by SteadyGains : 02-21-2008 at .

Originally Posted by SteadyGains
Yes, this is a technique I use and I think it adds a type of stretch to clamping. And the clamps are applying pressure on the lowest part of the penis that my be the most expandible.

Sounds like a good technique. Do you use padding or is the clamp applied over the skin? If you do pad, how do you keep it from riding up when moving the clamps?

I suggest start a separate thread on the way you do it and your progress. Others will try it and you can see if others get good gains. Good luck!

The plastic deformation factor was always quoted by Aristocano in his posts. He was convinced that keeping a constat level of preassure on the tunica allowed him to reach that plastic deformation and hence having gains. He said that it is important to keep a constant preasure on the tunica being full erected and stimulated all the time, in order to achieve a great expansion that becomes bigger and bigger at the end of each set of 15 minutes (accumulative effect).

Originally Posted by sparkyx
WHAT!! After ALL this discussion of loaded vs unloaded, thats what you come up with? Holy crap!

Thats like doing a study on milk, and the effects of milk being good for you, how the calcium is good for you, how the protein is good for you, how it makes cows happy :) , and then the conclusion is don’t drink milk!

I do agree with your conclusion: men are the only mammals that drink milk in their adult life. There are good reasons why milk is not as good as generally believed. Lactose intolerance is one of them.

The rest of your argument remains debatable. I don’t buy the low load story as sole pe technique for practical pe even if the theory sounds good. I think that you need a high initial stress followed by low stress - hanging followed by ads, clamping followed by adc (all day compression).


Later - ttt

Originally Posted by SteadyGains
You are correct, but the curve is much greater in the clamp. Aslo I can back the tube, so it would have to go pretty straight. If I try to staighten my curve in the clamp it is a very noticable higher pressure sensation.

The difference is the much greater pressure while clamping.


Later - ttt

Originally Posted by sparkyx
I can’t say what is happening with you, but an inch of expansion is quite a bit, I can’t see how the tunica can stretch that much, then return to it’s original dimensions, it seems to be way past it’s elastic potential range for the collegen, that it would have to be plastic deformation.and that would be permanent.

T3 or Pud, what do you say here?

Tunicas are different. One has one with more collagen, one with more elastin. In the latter case, large reversible expansion is possible. If collagen is predominant that seems impossible.


Later - ttt

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