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Girth theory: Pumping vs. clamping

Originally Posted by Iguana
I disagree with this point and this is why…

I usually pump around 5hg for about 20-30 minutes. I usually throw in a couple of high pressure “sets” (8hg-12hg) during the middle and end of my routine. My goal is to push the tissue to stretch to new limits and keep it there briefly. During these high pressure bursts I will kegel in blood between pumps. I will pump, kegel, pump, kegel, etc. Each time I force more blood in I get immediate expansion. I observe my penis increase in length from about 1/8” to 1/4” for each pump until it maxes out and I can’t tolerate any more pressure. This tells me that the increased length is due to increased blood volume pressing on the tunica, not fluid build up. There is no way edema fluid could build up that fast under the skin. I also know it’s blood because when I let the pressure off the length retracts proportionately. I have had good success with this and am reaching greater lengths in the tube than previously. I haven’t had problems with dough-nuts or excessive fluid.

I think pumping is very effective at stretching the tunica.


Thanks for your explanation on this, Iguana, and if it works for you, good for you. However, I must add the mandatory disclaimer that such vacuum levels and routines are not for newbies, and that more experienced pumpers should proceed with caution.


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

Yes, sorry, I should have added that! For some reason, I have a tolerance to high pressures. I feel almost no pressure under 6hg.

It’s only above this that I start to feel a good tug.


Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal: my strength lies solely in my tenacity.

Louis Pasteur

spark, I’ve been doing this for about 6 weeks. I will sometimes alternate 10 min pumping with 10 min clamping for 2 or 3 sets. I will do the high pressure “bursts” at the middle and/or end of each set. I will kegel/pump up until my length stops expanding in the tube or until the pressure starts to get painful. I will hold it there for 1 or 2 minutes and then back it down. I keep a very hot wet wash cloth wrapped around the tube the whole time except for the last set in which I use a cold cloth. So far I’ve gained a solid 1/8”. This is only part of my routine so it’s hard to give this sole credit for my gain. I do this 2 or 3 days a week. My PIs and EQ are very good so I’m going to keep it up and see what happens.


Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal: my strength lies solely in my tenacity.

Louis Pasteur

Originally Posted by sparkyx
I at this point really believe that PE is divided into two basic mechanisms, one of primarily connective tissue stretching, as you and MX refer to and another one where smooth muscle reaction must be address.


Agreed. MX would too I’m sure. I’m not interested in re-living old shit, but there’s something to be gained by revealing the truth whenever that may be. I may talk about this more at some point. What I’ll say now is that MX and I came to understand that once newbie gains are exhausted, application of stress to vascular tissue in the absence of fascial displacement serves to facilitate speciation of the sub-critically stressed collagenous fascia into more strain resistant forms, thereby rendering the stress delivered to the vascular tissues contained within these sub-critically stressed fascia ineffectual for the purpose of PE.

It was clear to me that MX found the path to overcome the institutional inertia of TP’s “condition your tissues” to be too great to undertake. He saw your comments, and your enthusiasm, as I perceived him, to be too much to have to deal with in order to make his point. He found this frustrating. So he left. He advised me to do the same.

I chose to share what I’d learned in great detail and not address that which troubled MX so. I encountered my own frustrations for having done so. Better maybe that I’d followed MX’s advice. Ironically, since completing my one year long self-imposed TP sabbatical I’ve reported a smidgen of empirically determined findings regarding the utility of fascial (yes, with an s, thank you Lampwick) displacement in PE that MX was not willing to and have encountered the sort of response that makes it clear how wise was his course of action.

For the benefit of the members, I hope that I may still find some reason to contribute what I’ve learned. Either way sparky, I know you to be a good man intent on doing good things. I’ve told you the things that I have so that you may (depending on your receptivity) be better, or at least more, informed regarding how that objective may be achieved.

Peace. And Best Regards.

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

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I’m not interested in re-living old shit…

:-k

See paragraph 2 of this post.

GM

The rest of that quoted sentence:

Originally Posted by xenolith

…but there’s something to be gained by revealing the truth whenever that may be.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith

For the benefit of the members, I hope that I may still find some reason to contribute what I’ve learned. Either way sparky, I know you to be a good man intent on doing good things. I’ve told you the things that I have so that you may (depending on your receptivity) be better, or at least more, informed regarding how that objective may be achieved.

Peace. And Best Regards.

xeno

Thanks for the post.

I really try not to be attached to any of my positions, to make it an ego thing. I try to always be open to discussion, and modification of any of my positions. I try to be attached to the highest truth or most accurate model of reality I can understand, and be willing to drop it in a moment if I can see a more accurate or more effective model of reality.

I opened a thread in the Hangers forum to discuss PIs and Hanging, I thought that might be an effective way to open a discussion on this subject. Please feel free to wander over there and join in a discussion.
PIs and hanging

Heres what I would like you to understand. My PI concept was not quickly or easily accepted. It took lots and lots of discussion on my part, the willingness to explain endlessly, to try and help guys with roadblocks. I persisted not out of any ego trip, but out of a sincere desire to help where I thought I could be of help. I don’t think that it is a totally complete concept, but its the best I have for now, and it seems to be of benefit to many.

For you and MX, you have to understand that new concepts or new understanding of old concepts are really like a newly sprouted tree. It has to be tended with loving care, with great frequency and patience. It can’t be dropped into the ground and just looked at occasionally, and expect it to survive.

So it is with some of the things that you wish to share. I know you get frustrated, but as I had told you in the past, you really have to be infinitely patient in the project, FOR THE SAKE OF OTHERS. Further, Xeno, I think its fine for you to talk in tech speak for those that can understand, but unless you are willing to ALWAYS translate into a much simplier version, you will always leave most of our members behind and nothing will be accomplished other than frustration for everyone.

I share this with you with pure intent, and I hope you are able to accept it in that spirit.

Originally Posted by xenolith
It was clear to me that MX found the path to overcome the institutional inertia of TP’s “condition your tissues” to be too great to undertake. He saw your comments, and your enthusiasm, as I perceived him, to be too much to have to deal with in order to make his point. He found this frustrating. So he left. He advised me to do the same.


I’m sorry xeno, but do you need help getting that third nail in?

It seems some people are awfully sensitive.

If anyone has truth to tell, they should tell it to the best of their ability. Same for anyone. If people’s sensibilities are so delicate they can’t engage in honest discussion or disagreement…what can be said? Obviously the ‘truth’ they bear isn’t overly pressing.

The whole purpose of a forum is a meeting of the minds, where legitimate discussion takes place. We all have ‘truths’, and they aren’t all the same.

I have to say, sparkyx’s ideas and participation here are not particularly compelling examples of oppressive ‘institutional inertia’ as part of the case you’re trying to make (despite a feeble claim to the contrary). He’s an example of someone who truly likes to discuss different ideas reasonably, and he will consider other points of view and then bring his own perspective to them; he’s done so time and again.

How people handle disagreement is key. On that score many of us could learn from sparkyx.

But, absent that learning, I suppose there is always the choice to take one’s balls and go home.


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PE has been easily paralleled to working out or bodybuilding. I wrote a thread that everything works, just don’t over train. Sound reasonable? It works for both PE and Bodybuilding.

You find some guys like Xeno in the gym or on the Forums telling you about all the science behind body building and getting in shape, but bottom line, hop in your car and drive to the gym. I would say that 90% of the time it is going to work, regardless of how bad your work out is. I love to hear the theories, so Xeno, do not get discouraged, but really it matters very little.

I have grown with Jelqing, clamping and pumping, all three combined or some times separately. I stretch when I jelq, so I never stretch and hanging or and ADS seems way too time consuming but I am sure it works. Now if you are trying to find the Holy Grail of PE, or find how to gain 2 inches in 4 months etc, it would take a ton of science and know how, but if you have a couple of years and dedication, you will grow. If sometihng is not working, trys omething else. If something is working, keep doing it until it stops working. Also keep your interest level up (pumping is great for that).

Originally Posted by SteadyGains
.. or find how to gain 2 inches in 4 months …

This is why I love to read these scientific posts. I know one of the smarties here is going to figure something out that is going to yield the most efficient process possible to the greatest gains physically achievable.

I have always been baffled by the people that say: “Just do something, anything. It doesn’t really matter what you do or if you do it all that well. As long as you do something you are going to gain something eventually.” PE is like bodybuilding, and I would prefer not to do either. I love fucking though. If someone comes up with a way to get ripped in the least possible time that is physically achievable I am going to do that. Gym rats are kind of missing the point. Granted, there are a few neat sniffity sniflets at the gym, but in reality you are not going to have that statistically high of a chance of banging one. Too many other dudes for them to choose from. Tilt the game in your favor and go hang out at your local Mormon ward or something. Them Mormon bitches know how to suck a cock and take it in the ass. Anywho… I digress.

Thank you to all of the scientific folks that are crunching the numbers and spinning the theories. Keep it up boys!!

Hap, part of the reason for me making the record clear about MX’s leaving is that Modesto falsely accused me of being the reason that he did. Months prior to that accusation, when MX PM’d me to tell me about his departure and why, I mentioned it to Modesto with whom I was in somewhat frequent communication at the time. He stated that he got that PM from MX too. Months later when Modesto accused me of being responsible for MX’s leaving I knew that either he had lied when he told me that he’d gotten the same PM from MX or he had gotten it and was simply lying maliciously. I’m certain that the former is the case.

Frankly, much of MX’s objections to sparky’s posts were not shared by me. And I’m certainly not ‘making a case’ for anything. I would encourage you (and others) to be more charitable in your response to one who is not saying anything negative about anyone, merely providing a clarification of events in order that what is true and what is not may better be known.

sparky, lest I be misunderstood on this subject, I like and respect you very much. I expect that you know that. Please don’t let comments of others make you think otherwise.

Of course your message was received in the pure intent that it was delivered.

I would hope that others would grant me the same courtesy.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith
sparky, lest I be misunderstood on this subject, I like and respect you very much. I expect that you know that. Please don’t let comments of others make you think otherwise.

Good then. Let us then, together, clear up some of this misunderstanding and hopefully push this PE stuff a little more forward. I posted the thread that I opened in the hangers section, but I am at your disposal to any venue here that you would prefer.

I would very much like to have an open discussion on the subject, and publicly pick your brain for some of those really good ideas you have, clarify them and get others to join in and lets see what good can come of it.

I am convinced quite a bit of good CAN come of it. Thanks!

1. No misunderstanding here.

2. I’m here to help people.

3. There’ll be further disclosures of injustice.

4. I’ll report to the thread you’ve referred to shortly.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

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