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Girth theory: Pumping vs. clamping

Hey guys, been away for a while. I see that by beating this subject around for a while, that there is some increasing belief that stressing the unloaded tunica is the way to go for girth increases. I believe that our movement to practical application will prove the hypothesis that unloaded tunica stresses lead to greater girth increases, at least as far as pumping and manual girth exercises are concern. I think the same may be true for clamping as well, but I’ll leave that for the clampers to debate.

BTW Thunder, I’m waiting for my pump. I’ll be adding magnets to it when it comes. :)

mravg - Your hoop stress concept is interest. When looked at as a whole, the cavernosa are cylinders. However, I agree with ttt that the bilayer tunica with different fiber orientation and fiber bundle splay make this much more complicated.

I agree that longitudinal tension would be much less than circumferential as calculated even though pressure would be the same across all of the inner surface (Pascal’s Law).

I think your concept would work in the unloaded tunica with both jelqing (as described by sparkyx) and pumping (as described by sparkyx and mgus). Lengthening does occur with both, but the predominant enhancement is girth.

Originally Posted by pudendum
…unloaded tunica stresses lead to greater girth increases….

I’ve found this to be the key in my own girth gains:

(1) 1/2” EG during my first 4-5 weeks
(2) about 1 1/4” + EG gains total.

Never had fluid buildup or thrombosis or numbness, etc.
Furthermore, I’ve been out of PE since 2006 and I’ve lost maybe 1/8” EG or so.

The key, I believe, is with proper warmups * proper inflation levels (c. 75-85%) * firm, slow jelqing * adequate recuperation time (not really necessary for length training, but certainly for girth training).

Originally Posted by pudendum
Hey guys, ..

Good to have you back, pudendum.


Later - ttt

Originally Posted by wadzilla
I’ve found this to be the key in my own girth gains:

(1) 1/2” EG during my first 4-5 weeks
(2) about 1 1/4” + EG gains total.

Never had fluid buildup or thrombosis or numbness, etc.
Furthermore, I’ve been out of PE since 2006 and I’ve lost maybe 1/8” EG or so.

The key, I believe, is with proper warmups * proper inflation levels (c. 75-85%) * firm, slow jelqing * adequate recuperation time (not really necessary for length training, but certainly for girth training).

So Wad, was exactly was your routine during this period of growth? And by proper warm-ups, do you mean heat wraps, etc.?

So, after all these pages, what`s the conclusion?

I`m pumping these days and it seems to help mostly girth, but also some slight length gains.

However, I think it has become too time consuming. I also feel that I have to sneak around a lot since I don`t have the privacy I would like at the moment. I need to wash the cylinders every time. Lube makes it messy. Etc. Much work.

And yeah, we should probably not complain about PE being work if it actually leads to results. Ungrateful bastard I know:)

It`s just that clamping is a much easier exercise and may actually be combined with a useful activity for multitasking purposes. You also avoid the messy lube and if someone is knocking at your door it is very easy to throw off the clamp as opposed to having a complete pumping set-up.

Conclusion? Unloaded PE MIGHT be more productive.

That translates into, if you pump, try NOT to be fully hard. If you clamp, don’t go to high pressure.

My personal recommendation to try for girth gains, clamp at about 70-80% and compress the penis toward the base, straight into itself. IF you do it properly you will see the girth increase as the length shortens. The ol’ Chinese finger trap approach. This is a modification of Chrono’s Compressions (CCs).

Personal recommendations for length, Wantsmore’s stretches done with little to no erection.

I think all hanging is unloaded, but that wasn’t addressed.

This doesn’t address cycling and decons, which is important.

sparky, I love you. But I have to tell you, the reason that MX left this Forum, as he explained to me in his last PM before leaving was your promulgation of an approach that didn’t generate the facial displacement that he based his training on (followed by deconditioning and repetition of that cycle). I understood him to think that you were leading the members of the Forum astray. Much earlier to that juncture I’d come to subscribe to his rational, and had developed my own analytical technique to investigate and measure the veracity of a progressive facial displacement/deconditioning protocol…the results of which validated his findings and hypothesis…much to my eternal gratitude. Which I’ve described in detail elsewhere.

My conclusion, and I say with great certainty, that of my friend MX’s is that, simply put, strain equals gain. I most sincerely wish that he was here to say it himself…but we were of a like mind in this matter, so I’ll say it: there is a finite window of opportunity subsequent to newbie status and subsequent to deconditioning during which maximizing gains is achieved via tissue deformation accomplished through facial displacement…tunica strain…which should be followed by modified progressive distraction hystogenesis tissue conditioning techniques (IOW IPR systematics) in order to maximize deformation while minimizing collagen speciation. The exact wrong thing to do is to induce stresses insufficient to cause displacement between vascular tissue and collagenous fascia. This, we believed, based on theoretical and experimental bases, resulted in collagen speciation in the tunica. And closing of the window.

Thought you and the Forum should know.


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Thanks for the love. :) Its also very flattering that I could lead an ENTIRE forum anywhere, including astray!

I never considered myself a tyrant of such tremendous abilities that I completely eliminate the avenue of discussion and exploration, on the contrary I have been always open to discuss any concept that I present…and admit when I am wrong.

Too bad MX made the decision to leave without even discussing this with me, not once!

This is a recent post of mine from this thread;
Back in condition: The high weight/fatigue struggle

Originally Posted by dick builder
Originally Posted by Dick Builder
. And, pointing out the flaws in utilizing PI’s in a hanging regimen.

Originally Posted by sparkyx
I’m coming in late here, but I’d like to comment. As the author of the PI approach, I must say that I often state that in hanging, I like Monty’s approach. I really don’t know how much PI approach directly applies to hanging.

I’m not a hanging expert, but it seems to me that the PI approach may not really translate over to hanging all that well. It seems to me that hanging is directly addressing connective tissue, all by itself. If thats the case, the PI approach may not apply. I think the PI approach really is addressing smooth muscle reaction during PE and its effect on gains.

It strikes me that if you hang, to stretch or effect the connective tissue, then use ADS to control contraction due to smooth muscle insult, you will be using a completely different set of guidelines.

If that is correct, it probably IS counter productive to take any time off, that constant ADS between heavier stress is probably more effective than time off where smooth muscle could contract and hold the micro tears in a contracted state, allowing gains to be lost and even become shorter than before.

The only way I see time off being productive is if you hold it in an extended state with ADS until healing is done, then time off as a decon to reset on a cellular level.

So as you can see, I MYSELF agree with what you are saying. My DISAGREEMENT is that is the only mechanism of growth. I at this point really believe that PE is divided into two basic mechanisms, one of primarily connective tissue stretching, as you and MX refer to and another one where smooth muscle reaction must be address.

I present my ideas not to garner a following or raise my status, but to share my ideas in order to be of help. I think the reason it has become such a large part of the concepts here, is not my personality or powers of persuasion, but that many have found it effective in their quest to gain, as well as helping them past dead end road blocks in their PE experiments.

I would have loved to discuss this with MX, I don’t think I have ever treated anyone in a way that would lead them to think that I am hostile or disrespectful to open discussion…and if I have, I am truly sorry.


Last edited by sparkyx : 02-16-2008 at .

Originally Posted by xenolith
But I have to tell you, the reason that MX left this Forum, as he explained to me in his last PM before leaving was your promulgation of an approach that didn’t generate the facial displacement that he based his training on (followed by deconditioning and repetition of that cycle).


Xenolith:

I take it that you mean fascial displacement, not facial displacement? Not trying to be overly picky on spelling here, but when I read facial displacement, I was reminded of the last time that someone offered to rearrange my face. (I figured it out once you mentioned the fascia later in the post.)


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Originally Posted by Lampwick

Xenolith:

I take it that you mean fascial displacement, not facial displacement?

I do hope so!


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Talk about loosing face!


regards, mgus

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I have been water pumping for long periods of time with very warm water and finding it to most effective. I’ve gain a solid .25” in only 4 sessions. I do this in the bathtub.

My routing is:

I sit in the hot water for at least 5 or so minutes before actually starting any pumping. Like many of the other members here I have come to fully believe in the benefits of warming up completely before doing any type of exercise. I then fill the tube with the warmest water that I can tolerate and start pumping. I NEVER go above 3hg, and usually stay around 2hg. I keep the tube on for 30 minutes (I am finding that I can actually keep the tube on for longer than that but I still get a little concerned and end up taking it off only to find that everything is fine. No fluid build up. Glans is fine. No spotting, etc.). I do 4 or 5 sets of these. So that’s a solid 2+ hours in the tub.

No lymph build-up. No mushroom head. But I am getting GROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWTH!!!

Originally Posted by ticktickticker
Pumping: Decreases the Pressure surrounding the penis and thereby indirectly increases the volume. However, this volume effect can occur, at least in part, via expansion of the tissue between the skin and the tunica without affecting the tunica much.

I disagree with this point and this is why…

I usually pump around 5hg for about 20-30 minutes. I usually throw in a couple of high pressure “sets” (8hg-12hg) during the middle and end of my routine. My goal is to push the tissue to stretch to new limits and keep it there briefly. During these high pressure bursts I will kegel in blood between pumps. I will pump, kegel, pump, kegel, etc. Each time I force more blood in I get immediate expansion. I observe my penis increase in length from about 1/8” to 1/4” for each pump until it maxes out and I can’t tolerate any more pressure. This tells me that the increased length is due to increased blood volume pressing on the tunica, not fluid build up. There is no way edema fluid could build up that fast under the skin. I also know it’s blood because when I let the pressure off the length retracts proportionately. I have had good success with this and am reaching greater lengths in the tube than previously. I haven’t had problems with dough-nuts or excessive fluid.

I think pumping is very effective at stretching the tunica.


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