Girth theory: Pumping vs. clamping

Wow, that’s some pretty heavy duty clamping. Sounds like some very significant tissue deformation with distortion of fascial planes; severe pain seems quite logical. You don’t need to detail the analysis of radial deformation, I think thats fairly well understood.

Thanks for the clarification.

You’re welcome.

Being clear is my main objective now.

Could you please describe in more detail. I am in munich, germany, no walmart around.

Thank you.

Btw: would these clamps fit in a pumping tube?

No easy link. I use Koehler Enterprises E-Z Clamps…size #20 (3/4”-1 3/4”…have to open it and squeeze it to get it on). Here’s a link to similar, but larger.

I know someone has posted pictures of what I use. Try searching…what exactly I don’t know, but it’s here somewhere.

If nothing gets posted, at some point I’ll take a photo of what I’m using and post it.

http://www.idea lclamps.com/cat … p?BID=27&ID=173 from this thread Turn-Key Clamps

I’ve also tried both and pumping is far more comfortable. The gains? I’ve Only pumped for a month, I’ll be back with results later.

Thanks tps. Those are them.

Tps and xeno - thank you.

Jeezzz, thats got to be unreal internal pressures.

By intersitial, do you mean the girth BETWEEN the clamps? What about the girth distal to the most distal clamp? I assume it also expands, but not as much?

Do you then move it around in the same session or do you move it on different days?

Thats got to be quite risky. What have you done to minimize risk or do you not consider it dangerous?

There are studies that show tunica rupture above 575 mm Hg. When the tunica is stiff, the pressure in the cavernosa reaches 200 - 300 mm Hg with IC muscle contractions. The stiffness of the tunica drives any increased volume that is displaced forward into the penis beyond the clamp to pressures that must rapidly approach this.

It is true that tunica ruptures studied were in penises without previous tunica remodeling particularly to larger fiber diameter, making them stronger. So I would suspect that the pressures in experienced clampers can rise above this without rupture. But as I believe Xenolith said before that he closely monitor his penis and has a very specific routine.

I respect Xenolith’s expertise and experience with his technique. His pictures show impressive gains. I think I’ll leave it in his hand and I’ll just wimp out and do lower erection work. Thanks Xenolith for resharing your method in this thread.

In my 2.25” tube they do…once the handle is removed. It pops on and off. Very handy that. I’d thought of trying multi-hose clamped pumping but never did. Seemed like such an ordeal. I do think it holds some, possibly significant, potential. Someone aught to try it.

Yes, that was a poor choice of word. Inter-clamp.

It expands considerably too, but yes, you’re right, not as much as the areas that are affected by the multiple overlapping constructively interfering ellipsoidal interaction volumes. The first couple of sessions of both I-phases I got droplets of blood emanating from the coronal ridge as I turned the screws. Something of a safety valve there. Later sessions didn’t produce this response even when greater pressures were presented to the tissues. The body is truly remarkable in its adaptive capabilities.

Both. Variation in location is somewhat limited by the fixed datum at the base (double clamp) and the coronal ridge at the other end which I would always stay at least 0.5” away from, liking 0.75” even more.

I don’t consider it excessively risky. I don’t do excessively risky. The ability to increase fluid pressure slowly by turning screws slowly is a big plus safety wise. Another aspect that serves a safety function is the great difficulty in achieving a leak-proof seal at the base. My experience was that there’s always some leakage going on, which requires sequential screw turning (basal and others) over the course of the session.

My experience is consistent with your suspicion. It’s still fascinating to me that it appears that all deformation achievable has occurred by the 5th session.

You’re very welcome. Thanks for saying so. And for sharing such keenly topical knowledge.

Kiddies, don’t try this at home.

This is important anecdotal and personal experience. I would suspect that in your first sessions, both your multiple overlapping constructively interfering ellipsoidal interaction volumes and the inter-clamp (and probably distal to the last clamp as well) distension activate tension-induced connective tissue remodeling with inflammatory injury response (IPR). In my mind it would cause both an increase in collagen fiber length and diameter which would lead to tunica elongation in the circumferential direction; increased girth. However, as the tension stimulus is repeated, the amount of fiber diameter increase (the bodies attempt to prevent rupture or further injury) out paces the collagen fiber length increases, so growth slows and ultimately ceases. The tunica gets stronger, not longer.

I’m just trying to piece experience together with the proposed mechanism of connective tissue repair/remodeling to see if they conform.

Crikey, someone come up with a nickname for that intestoidal volumetrically opposed ellipliticly designed apparatimundi thingamyjiggy please.

That’s xenolith’s call. It’s his proposed mechanism.

Any abbreviation I could come up with would sound like something you’d clean off the floor after someone vomited. :)