M8t, keep adding input. Discussions will work out the details.
More, I have been lifting a while and built fairly well and have added over an inch to my length so I understand what pain is. My point was not to compare the two exercises but how the definition of a word is used differently.
FGoat, I could not agree with you more. Being in the military I see people all the time confuse discomfort with pain. I wish I could count the number of times I’ve said “Suck it up Cupcake” on a ruck march.