Fundamental PE

I’ve only been PE’ing for a month so far, and to date I seem to have experienced some reasonable newbie gains, mainly to flaccid length and hang and my erect girth has also noticeably increased (no discernable increase in erect length as yet tho, which is what I’m primarily after). I am also definitely experiencing ‘better’ erection quality, noticeable for me in particular as I have slight erectile dysfunction (ED) which usually means never getting quite rock-hard. During this first month I have also been reading extensively on this site. I hope you will therefore forgive me as a mere noob if I express my overall opinions about PE. Please don’t get me wrong, I’m certainly not claiming to know it all when it comes to successful PE methods, or for that matter even to know more than just a little, but I’d be interested to see whether anyone agrees with my viewpoint.

Stating the obvious for starters, it strikes me that everyone is here for the same reason, to enlarge their penis and to gain some resultant advantages from doing so. Hence, on this basis, comparison with the ‘average’ - or for that matter with other members - is essentially irrelevant. You start with what you start with, and for whatever reason you want it to become bigger (=longer, broader etc). Comparisons are only helpful insofar as they can encourage participants to keep going and do better in the future.

We should be grateful that the penis is a soft tissue organ; if it were structural like a limb, no amount of stretching/massaging/whatever would have anything other than a vanishingly small effect on its overall absolute dimensions. Of course, the muscles which are an integral part of a limb can be considerably developed, but the penis is not a muscle either; if it were, weight-lifting would become altogether more interesting!

Speaking generally, therefore, what all of us want to achieve is actual growth, primarily of the shaft, and preferably in proportion both in length and girth. Inevitably therefore this can ONLY be achieved over a considerable period of time; certainly an extra 20% or 30% of penile tissue will take at minimum of many months to grow and probably a few years to become permanent. This is what I would personally define as genuine gain. As far as I’m concerned, there simply are no ‘genuine’ gains which are both quick and permanent. Yes, I know there are newbie gains, but these are primarily a result of stretching out existing tissue so that it becomes ‘permanently’ external rather than internal. This is the gain I have personally experienced in my first month of [probably] over-zealous PE’ing. It’s psychologically beneficial, but it’s slightly illusory I think.

As far as I can see it, for permanent tissue growth to occur we have to subject the penis to a controlled state of near-permanent mechanical stress, in order that - over time - the desired growth [plastic deformation] will occur. In other words, permanent stretch will [slowly] result in permanent tissue growth. The amount of stretch is crucial. Certainly it has to exceed the normal amount of stretch which occurs during normal erection, but clearly it mustn’t be so stressful as to cause tissue damage or to restrict the blood supply and result in tissue atrophy (or worse!).

So, that’s my basic hypothesis: that no real tissue growth will occur without prolonged [controlled] stress, probably applied by a combination of pulling(/stretching/hanging) and by torsional force.

I wonder whether anyone else concurs?

You’re on the right track.

Take a look at remek’s current "PE Theory" thread, as well as tons of others for further exploration.

I am also new. I think you have basically hit the nail on the head. Isn’t your idea generally the whole theory behind PE?

Nice post, Mr. K.

Regarding the time required to make permanent gains, consider that the penis is unlike most organs in the body because it is more of a container than it is a thing in and of itself.

A 20% permanent increase in overall penis volume is, IMO, quite attainable, especially for newbies, in relatively short periods of time. I think this is possible, in part, because the penis need not gain 20% of tissue volume to hold 20% more blood volume. One can simply stretch the container.

Yes… I read this earlier; although it’s heading towards the same conclusions, it lost its way and seemed to degenerate into a debate about semantics (in particular, about the definition of plastic vs elastic deformation). Just for the record, my definition of plastic deformation simply means a permanent and irreversible change in dimensions. There is no time component to plastic deformation. Sandstone [rock] is plastically deformed [loose] sand, a process which occurs over millions of years.

I’m not sure I would claim it to be "my idea", it just seems to me to be logical. And I’m not sure that it is the whole theory behind PE, almost the reverse in fact. More on this below.

Thank you for the compliment!

You could be right, tho what I’m after is considerably more than simply an improvement in engorgement pressure. It’s worth having, of course, but real growth requires real additional penile tissue. This isn’t going to be achieved by additional internal pressure, other than very fractionally.

What I think is significant, if I’m right, is that much of the ‘conventional’ PE technique detailed on here is almost entirely futile. For example, wrapping after stretching; although it will keep the stretched penis slightly extended, this extended but tension-less state will NOT cause any new tissue to grow and thus will be of no benefit whatsoever, other than cosmetic. Similarly, hanging great big weights… tissue can only grow at a finite [slow] rate, so the amount of weight will have no correspondence with rate of growth or ultimate gained length.

In crude terms, ‘all’ that is required is to ‘permanently’ stretch the penis LONGER than it would be during erection, and maintain this state almost permanently for a minimum period of several months. Such a technique has many severe practical limitations!

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