Forward from here, IPR or Hanging or?

So, I’m just past the two week mark on what I plan on being an eight week decon break. I’m trying to plot or plan my method of attack after the break. I was sort of on a break, then built a homemade power jelqer just to see if I could do it for cheap, which I did, it was less than ten dollars. But then I started using it, you know, just to try it. I had no real plan, no real schedule, and it really didn’t produce any results for me either. Just kind of started out doing jelqs with the power jelquer, and then started following that up with Bathmate sessions. I saw some temporary size gains, sometimes length would hit seven and a half, sometimes girth would get up to six inches. But nothing really stuck. I was back to my usual seven and a quarter bone pressed by five and a half girth when I checked today.

In another six weeks, I want to give this PE thing another serious shot. I’d like to aim for length more than girth, but whatever gains come will be cool with me. I have never hung, so I’m leaning towards that. However in the last month or so, I’ve read a lot about IPR and wonder if that wouldn’t be the better way forward. I have a feeling since I haven’t done either before, I will be able to gain from either.

I’m hoping for suggestions for the basis of my next big effort. What do you think is superior? What specific exercise worked best for you? I think I would likely gain from hanging, as it is a new “stressor” and my body will likely react well to that. But maybe IPR would be superior and require less time. What do you guys think?

You face a very similar situation to one that I faced recently. Because I have a predilection to not hanging I chose IPR. In hindsight, using IPR was still a good choice but hanging May produce better results because if you haven’t done it before it seems to have its own set of newbie gains.

However hanging has a significant and serious time commitment and requires a lot of research and position changes that are often pivotal in both timing and duration. I find the practice to be more technical then I care to be on a regular basis doing PE. The one thing that I have never understood that seems to be incredibly pivotal to a compression hanger is building a shoulder with your wrap and how to prevent slippage. Both things I’ve never done no matter how hard I’ve tried. Hanging is potent but finicky.

IPR on the other hand is still potent but more custom-fitted. It is also less finicky but inherently more risky by how you must tread the inflammation-injury line. A more complete understanding of both PE and Physiological Indicators is required for IPR.

In your case I don’t think that hanging offers more than IPR does. As mastering IPR will still get you as much potential for gains as hanging but just likely not as fast in the beginning.

Hanging sucks. Well, not really, but unless you’re a master vipassana meditator, I don’t know what usefulness one accomplishes during all that time.

But that’s my value system; yours is what matters.

I honestly think that hanging produces gains almost in spite of itself. There’s a long explanation that I’m not up for right now, but the essence of it is that in the absence of triggering the mechanical/chemical cascade of cellular mitosis (induced through inflammation), fibroblasts simply deform elastically…returning to unloaded geometry once the applied stress is removed. Seems that gains from hanging are largely ligament and fascia lengthening derived…which one can achieve a lot more efficiently with some strategically delivered stretches. Caveat: under the hanger (talking BIB type hanger…I consider vacuum hangers to be near useless), some inflammation induced cellular mitosis surely occurs (obviously this doesn’t happen with a vacuum hanger), but there’s a whole lot of shaft that’s outboard of the hanger that isn’t doing anything…just along for the proverbial ride ;D.

Anyhoo, my 2 cents.

xeno

Cool. Never done a stretch-centric work out before. Just the old left, right, up, down, straight out for thirty seconds style.

You could do both. Hang for a month, then take a 2-3 month break, and repeat. Or do something else the next time. Manuals, stretching, pumping, clamping, whatever you want. It all counts as IPR if you take a 2 month break afterward. I think the risk of PE is actually lower with IPR. Those regular long rest periods allow the tissue to fully heal up. It gets fresh and strong, and ready for PE again.

After doing this for almost two and a half years, I’m more convinced than ever that long rest or decon periods are essential for long term growth. Folks like Xenolith and Thoughtful Gold have been advocating this approach for some time. I can’t speak for everyone but periodic rest periods seem to be working very well for me. I’m a believer.

I realize there are those who seemingly are able to gain with little or no rest breaks.

But everyone is different. My advice is that if you’ve been doing PE for a while and you hit a plateau, try taking a long break.

It may be just the ticket to get back on track and start gaining again.

Yes, I think breaks are almost mandatory after awhile. I’m just trying to suss out a plan of attack for after this break is over. I’m plenty familiar with PE practice and my penis and think, actually I know, I can do some more “hardcore” methods. Just not sure where I’ll get my best results. As I said, hanging would be a completely new stimulus, but I’m not sure if I couldn’t gain as much if not more doing a shorter more intense stretching based routine. And what would said stretching routine look like? Would I just up my five minutes of five way stretches to ten or fifteen minutes? That seems sub-optimal to me, but maybe it would work really well.

Ray, a short, sharp shock: hanging requires mindlessness; IPR requires mindfulness.

xeno

Hmmmm, all this is making me want to workout my penis, but nope. This Saturday is only the three week mark.

It’s making me want to take a 2 month break.

Ha! I’m thinking it’ll be three weeks this Saturday, and I wasn’t hanging or clamping. Maybe I don’t have to wait so long for my wang to decondition…..

Any suggestions for stretches or exercises? Or a routine or how long the workout should be? I keep scouring through these threads, but I’m still unsure of quite how to start. Also, I thought the IPR protocol went for 14 days of IPR micro-cycle, followed by four weeks of P phase, followed by a month to two months of R phase. But has that changed recently? Seems I read something about the “macro” P phase being a waste of time or something.

I’ve been hanging with a BIB since January. Loving it. Highly recommended.

P-phase happens no matter what, on its own, as the body’s response to the I-phase. P-phase is the growth of new tissue. Kind of like depositing a bunch of building blocks around the areas of damage we caused during I-phase. R-phase takes the new tissue and actually builds it into the existing structures, increasing our size. Fibroblasts are going to lay down that new material whether or not we do anything special for P-phase or not. Using an ADS optimizes it for extra gains potential, encouraging more new material to be created. That’s the theory anyway.

In other words, P-phase work is the only phase we can get away with skipping, and still be gaining. But doing the work should help gains. No surprise there, ADS’ing in addition to solid workouts is good for gains.

OK, cool. Thanks. It seems I read something in the past week that made me think there had been a change in opinion as to the efficacy of ADS during the macro P phase. I will wear an ADS, that seems to be the easy part, well that and R phase.