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Exposing Dr. Lin

Originally Posted by marinera
‘Other idiots’?

I agree with marinera, what’s up with the idiots? Be nice or your fly away.

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I am in the medical world, and have also studied chi gong with some of the best guys in Asia while living there, and while I am very well aware of the theory of Taoist alchemy, I still call BS on Dr. Lin.

Originally Posted by firegoat
I am in the medical world, and have also studied chi gong with some of the best guys in Asia while living there, and while I am very well aware of the theory of Taoist alchemy, I still call BS on Dr. Lin.

Why ?

“But before we jump into their rich vat of seminal theory, let’s have a quick look at some of the key ingredients of human semen. In fact, semen has a very complicated chemical profile, containing over 50 different compounds (including hormones, * neurotransmitters *, * endorphins* and immunosupressants) each with a special function and occurring in different concentrations within the seminal plasma. Perhaps the most striking of these compounds is the bundle of mood-enhancing chemicals in semen. There is good in this goo. Such anxiolytic chemicals include, but are by no means limited to, cortisol (known to increase affection), estrone (which elevates mood), prolactin (a natural antidepressant), oxytocin (also elevates mood), thyrotropin-releasing hormone (another antidepressant), melatonin (a sleep-inducing agent) and even * serotonin * (perhaps the most well-known antidepressant * neurotransmitter *).”

Http://www.scientificamerican.com/b…tues-2010-09-22

Originally Posted by Moloch666

Why ?

Because he takes Western medical knowledge, Chinese medical knowledge, and Taoist energy principles, mixes them all together in a way that sounds very impressive, and is incomprehensible to anyone without at least a basic knowledge of them. The individual knowledge streams are valid, but he twists them to sound like explanations of problems that he has the (expensive) pill to cure.

He is just trying to make money by confusing people into believing that he is very intelligent and has the answers to their problems.

Thanks for your quote from “Scientific American”. The article was written by Dr. Jesse Bering, a young man who again is not a medical doctor - his PhD is in developmental psychology. He is the author of “The Belief Instinct - the Psychology of Souls, Destiny and the Meaning of Life”. Interestingly, he also received the 2010 “Scientist of the Year Award” by the National Organization of Gay and Lesbian Scientists and Technical Professionals (NOGLSTP).

I’m not sure he’s a credible commentator on the properties or composition of semen, or its relationship to CSF either.

Funny how he skips my post about his ‘proof’ hey…


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Originally Posted by Big Girtha
This is some funny shit. Me thinks we may have heard the last of Dr. Moloch.

Why is it that I cannot see that name without thinking of the Morlocks?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlock


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

Originally Posted by marinera
‘Other idiots’?


Me! :wave:

Moloch, might want to get a tutor for help with ENG101.


Running a Massive Co-Front.

Originally Posted by marinera
‘Other idiots’?

I thought that perhaps we had been infiltrated by the contributors to Mad magazine, AKA “The Usual Gang of Idiots”:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_(magazine)#Contributors


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

Originally Posted by iamaru
Me! :wave:

Moloch, might want to get a tutor for help with ENG101.

Apparently he is American and medical(college). I didn’t know the school system there had sunk so low…


Starting Stats - 5.5 NBPEL x 5.6 EG

Current Stats - 5.7 NBPEL x 6.2 EG

Goal - 7 x 6 (with hopefully a large flaccid hang)

Originally Posted by Moloch666
“But before we jump into their rich vat of seminal theory, let’s have a quick look at some of the key ingredients of human semen. In fact, semen has a very complicated chemical profile, containing over 50 different compounds (including hormones, * neurotransmitters *, * endorphins* and immunosupressants) each with a special function and occurring in different concentrations within the seminal plasma. Perhaps the most striking of these compounds is the bundle of mood-enhancing chemicals in semen. There is good in this goo. Such anxiolytic chemicals include, but are by no means limited to, cortisol (known to increase affection), estrone (which elevates mood), prolactin (a natural antidepressant), oxytocin (also elevates mood), thyrotropin-releasing hormone (another antidepressant), melatonin (a sleep-inducing agent) and even * serotonin * (perhaps the most well-known antidepressant * neurotransmitter *).”

Http://www.scientificamerican.com/b…tues-2010-09-22

Dude. I see your grammar gets better when you copy and paste from websites. No one expects perfect English here, if English is your second language. But you are playing yourself off as some sort of medical expert and it just doesn’t show in your writing, except when you paste articles.


2003: 6X5 2010: 7X7

No Nukes

Originally Posted by deeznutz
I have .. Sort of. Not the kegeling itself, but I developed a nasty little side effect. I started kegeling years ago (before I knew P.E., blame it on playboy advisor). One effect I noticed it had was when I kegeled during stimulation, I noticed it made the sensation stronger and ejaculation faster. So I squeezed whenever I needed to cum fast, people coming home, girl getting sore, etc. Well I started to do it during masturbation as well, to speed it up, since I only masturbate for the happy ending.
Now, whenever my head gets stimulated, no matter what situation, my BC muscle automatically contracts. I can’t control it. It’s not even during sex or masturbation. If I’m lying on my stomach and my head gets rubbed it contracts. Sitting in a chair at work and it rubs against my pants or leg it contracts. The downside to this all? I developed premature ejaculation. I’m talking about, sometimes feeling like ejaculation as soon as I enter the vagina. It’s frustrating.

I’ve got two solutions. One, learn male multiple orgasms and just forget about it. The second, a controlled masturbation routine, where I stimulate my head and do a reverse kegel to prevent the kegel. I hope after maybe a couple months it’ll learn not to flex automatically.

Originally Posted by Harrow
This is exactly what happened to me! Ugh

I have the same problem from kegels, its been about 8 years and its still here

Although I don’t have premature ejaculation, have you 2 found any solutions

Only thing that helps is using something called a crystal wand and inserting it anally

And applying pressure to pelvic muscles around the prostate

This helps with the spasming a lot but it seems like only a temporary fix

I had no idea Dr. Lin’s degree is actually in civil engineering. That’s way worse than the Dr. Phil scandal.

Originally Posted by WestLA-90069
A few months ago I had a PM exchange with one of our members about Dr. Lin. The member was following Lin’s “ballooning” method of male multiple orgasm which supposedly has a benefit of enlarging the penis. I pointed out some inconsistencies in Lin’s advice and how he tends to use big medical words to make himself seem like a medical doctor when in reality he has no medical degree. To support my suggestion that Lin is a quack, I dug around his web sites for some examples of misleading or erroneous statements and presented them to our member with my explanations of why they are inconsistent with sound medical knowledge. I’ve been given permission to repeat that part of my PM here.

First, a little background. Dr. Lin has set himself up as a men’s health guru specializing in the penis. He says manual PE methods are dangerous and promotes his pills and powders as being helpful on his many web sites (herbolove.com, actionlove.com, linplaza.com, drlin.net, healthtao.com, lovetao.com, actiontao.com, etc.). Doctor Lin is not a physician. He is not a physiologist. He is not an anatomist. His doctoral degree isn’t in medicine at all. Lin is civil engineer with a PhD. He apparently specializes in building bridges. Why he promotes himself otherwise is unknown

Here are some examples of Lin’s “bad medicine” from my PM exchange:
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.For the most part he isn’t presenting logical, known facts about human physiology. That, in my opinion, decreases his “usefulness” as a guru. Here are some examples, I’ve highlighted the questionable parts to which I reply.

From - http://www.actionlove.com/cases/case11980.htm
Your problem is due to the depletion of cerebrospinal fluid after ejaculating, resulting in deficiency of neurotransmitters acetylcholine, dopamine and serotonin in the brain. You have experienced the brain/nervous function disorder and body trauma/fatigue as a result of a deficiency of neurotransmitters acetylcholine, dopamine and serotonin and a lack of prostaglandin E-1 by the tissue in supporting the nerve, blood vessel and tissue elasticity and flexibility while ejaculation or orgasm triggers an excessive dopamine-adrenalin conversion that constricts tissue and blood vessel against its adjacent nerve. In the post ejaculation or orgasm state, your autonomic nervous system is locked into the sympathetic mode due to an excessive adrenalin level in the blood stream for nervous Fight or Flight action. Basically, your ejaculation fluid is very thin and watery, containing no much semen. In fact, semen is produced from cerebrospinal fluid. The cerebrospinal fluid contains the neurochemicals that support the brain and nervous transduction and prostaglandin E-1 synthesis in the local tissue. Taking a low dose of Our products ViaPal-HGH-P and 5-HTP daily will help you stabilize your brain and nervous function and promote the prostaglandin E-1 production, so that you can continue enjoying your ejaculation and orgasm.

Notice how he ends with a pitch for his supplements. Semen is not produced from cerebrospinal fluid (CSF). CSF is produced by the brain and surrounds the brain and spinal cord. It has nothing whatsoever to do with semen and is not depleted with ejaculation. He’s using big sounding words, especially the names of the neurotransmitters, to make what he says sound real and important. It makes no sense if you have any understanding of human physiology.

From: http://www.actionlove.com/cases/case11949.htm
Your over-masturbation has burned down your brain's acetylcholine, serotonin and GABA nervous function and promotes an excessive dopamine-adrenalin conversion for the epinephrine and sympathetic nervous fire to over-ride your parasympathetic nervous restoration and healing. This fire causes your eye pupils to dilate, your liver and cardiovascular systems to function improperly, and your penis (and testicles if your hernia hole is over-expanded too) ) to shrink into your body like a dying man. For teenage boys, MoodMax and 5-HTP, in conjunction with a High Dose of EPA (1000 mg) from fish oil and GLA (500 mg) from Borage Oil , can help you gradually restore your brain and nervous function without over-stimulate your sex. If you want a lot sex and semen too, ViaPal-HGH-C (= DopaFibra + MoodMax + 5-HTP) with the high dose of EPA and GLA is the best for young people at your age.

Again his supplements are the cure. While it may be true that there is a series of steps that lead from dopamine to epinephrine (adrenalin), it isn’t a continuous, linear process that occurs each time dopamine is synthesized. Epinephrine, when used as a hormone, is created and stored in the adrenal glands and is released with sympathetic nervous stimulation. It obviously serves certain purposes, or it wouldn’t exist. Just because Lin says frequent ejaculation causes “excess” dopamine does not mean the body is flooded with epinephrine from too much masturbation. The body will create epinephrine via the dopamine-norepinephrine-epinephrine pathway when epinephrine is needed. It doesn’t make and release epinephrine every time dopamine is synthesized in the brain as a result of a pleasurable sensation. Lin has used a real physiological phenomenon and twisted it to make it sound dangerous. His pills, of course, will fix the “problem.”

From: http://www.actionlove.com/extra/over.htm
Over-ejaculation melts down the acetylcholine/parasympathetic nervous functions first and then the liver functions that release essential enzymes for the syntheses of the neurotransmitters acetylcholine, dopamine and serotonin and the chains of hormone production; it causes the brain and adrenal functions to perform excessive dopamine-norepinephrine-epinephrine conversion and turn the brain and body functions to be extremely sympathetic. It results in the brain’s and nervous dysfunctions, stress, anxiety, impatience, eye floaters or fuzzy vision, buzzing (noisy) ears, cardiovascular irregularities, urinary incontinence, male and female “prostatitis,” weak kidney functions, pain or cramp in the pelvic cavity or/and tail bone, weak muscles or ligaments, and so on. The solution is to take the jump-start formula ViaPal-HGH-E (3-011) or ViaPal-HGH-M (3-014) which powers and restores the brain's acetylcholine/parasympathetic, dopamine and serotonin, reduces the stress hormone level or sedates sympathetic nervous function, and partially block the sympathetic alpha receptors.

Do you see a pattern here? His supplements cure all. To suggest that ejaculation causes all of these problems is ludicrous. The one about eye floaters is especially funny. Here is one site that explains the real reasons why eye floaters develop. Ejaculation has nothing to do with it.

From: http://www.actionlove.com/cases/case10926.htm
The uneven testicle size is due to the uneven distribution of the testosterone/DHT receptors, the nutritional supply by blood circulation, and the “optimally internal use’ of the each testicle. It is normal to have unequally sized testicles. The penile size is a measure of hemodilation of the penile arteries as well as the penile DHT receptor density and the amount of DHT in the receptors during erection. You should ask your grandpa about his penile size (shrinkage) in his different age.. The only permanent penile enlargement is to implant a pair of 10” x 1” stainless steel or teflon rods. In this way, even if you die, you will still have a permanently erecting penis to go to heaven. So, after your body is decomposed, you penis is still erecting, but without skin. Naturally, it will last forever, despite of live and death. You can enjoy the eternal erection and orgasm in THY KINGDOM COME.

Huh? Where’s he going with this? Uneven testicle size could be due to any number of things. Certainly the number of androgen receptors has nothing to do with it. Perhaps circulation does. What is “optimally internal use”? He’s using a lot of big terms here, but isn’t really saying much that makes sense. See the example below concerning androgen receptors in relation to penile size. And the remarks about steel rods - is he trying to be funny?

From: http://www.actionlove.com/cases/case12121.htm
It took you at least 8 years, from 8 to 16 years during your puberty, to grow your penis from 3 inches to 6 or 7 inches. That is, your growth rate is about 0.5 inches per year when your neuro-endocrine function reaches its peak power in your life. You can have the same penile growth rate, 0.5 inches per year, if you can bring your neuro-endocrine function back to your puberty state at your current age of 24. If you can keep the same condition for 8 years, your penis can grow up to 10 inches long at the age of 32. If you can continue to maintain your puberty state for the rest of your life, your penis will grow to an infinity, at a rate of 0.5 inches per year. How about that! However, if you can not keep your neuro-endocrine function up, your penis will shrink it back. When men are about to die, their penises and testicles will first shrink into their bodies and their eye pupils will dilate big enough to have a fuzzy or blurred vision, full of eye floaters. That is, if your penis and testicles start to shrink, your life force, the brain's acetylcholine/parasympathetic nervous function (the life energy recharging system), is degrading where “degrading” is the other name of “dying.” If you let your endocrine function degrade naturally, your penis will shrink about 20% when you reach your 45 where your androgen hormone level drops down to about 64% of that in your puberty. That is, your current 6 inches penis will become 5 inches or shorter.

Penile growth during puberty occurs because androgen receptors become sensitive to testosterone and DHT, but this mechanism ends when puberty ends and it cannot be turned on again. Lin’s suggestions that it’s easy to bring “neuro-endocrine function” (a very broad term that is meaningless here) back to the same level as it was during puberty is not supported by medical research. I am 53 years old and my penis has not changed in size for more than 30 years. His theory that decreased production of testosterone (“androgen hormone”) with age (“when you reach your 45”) will cause the penis to shrink is not true.

All below from: http://www.actionlove.com/cases/case11591.htm
Dear Dr. Lin, I have been practicing your ballooning method since 1998. I went from 5 inches to 7 inches. Then you told me I have probably reached my full potential, that my foreskin was limiting me, which I believe is correct. I emailed you asking about a traction device to grow the foreskin back to enlarge more, I'm doing that now. If I use a traction device to make my penis bigger, could that help me regrow hair due to the ability to hold more DHT in the penis? Is it possible that my penis is too small to hold all of the DHT? At the moment I can hold erections for 1-2 hours, but I’m still not regrowing any hair? I would grow my penis up to 10 inches if I thought it would grow hair on my head? I was thinking of using some of your vitamins.

I suspect he was doing more than ballooning. Extended erection time, by itself, isn’t known to cause two inches of growth. He must have been doing something else or didn’t measure correctly. I did not look for the original on the highlighted text, but this fellow obviously got the idea from Lin that the penis could be a place to “store” DHT and take it away from the scalp thus allowing his hair to grow.

Lin's reply: Yes. I think so. After you develop more DHT receptors in your penis, the penile tissue becomes a good DHT trapper. To help regrow your hair, you have to improve the scalp blood circulation to remove excessive, trapped DHT, so that the hair rooting cells can have a chance to get more Human Growth Hormone (HGH), DHEA, androstenedione and testosterone to grow hair again. If the scalp blood circulation is poor, the blood flow will give your eyebrow, mustache and beard more HGH, DHEA, androstenedione and testosterone to grow. A lack of HGH, DHEA, androstenedione and testosterone can cause hair loss too.

DHT is produced by the action of 5 alpha-reductase on testosterone. This occurs in the serum (blood), saliva, testicles, and the skin (in general, but specifically the scalp and skin of the genitals especially the foreskin and scrotum). DHT is present where it is formed. It isn’t “trapped” by certain structures or retained and kept from circulating once it is formed. DHEA and androstenedione are precursors of testosterone. The presence of any of these three substances, in and of themselves, has nothing to do with male pattern baldness. It is the presence of 5 alpha-reductase (or its suppression) that can effect hair growth. Increasing scalp circulation (and thus supposedly bringing more of these chemicals into the scalp) will not make hair grow. Suppressing 5 alpha-reductase (by a drug like finasteride) will.

Excessive ejaculation and excessive stress, that is, excessive dopamine-adrenalin conversion in both events, will burn too much testosterone into DHT in the bloodstream and every cell in your body.

As noted above, there is no such thing as “dopamine-adrenalin conversion” and DHT is not formed by “burning” testosterone during ejaculation or stress.

You can grow your penis if there is more stress neurohormone adrenalin being bound into the sympathetic beta receptors ( the sympathetic nervous hemodilation mechanism) rather than the alpha receptors, but lose you hair by this way. Unfortunately, if there is more stress neurohormone adrenalin being bound into the sympathetic alpha receptors rather than the beta receptors, you will shrink your penis and loss you hair.

Gobbledygook. Nonsense. Big words, no meaning. The alpha and beta receptors of the sympathetic nervous system have a lot of important functions in the body. Growing hair isn’t one of them.

Why does the penile ballooning method allow you to grow your penis and hair? You need a parasympathetic nervous hemodilation mechanism, good blood circulation, and sufficient supply of the androgen hormones to do both.

An increase in circulating testosterone (“androgen hormone”), in the presence of 5 alpha-reductase, will increase the amount of DHT in the hair follicles and increase the amount of hair loss. The fact is exactly opposite of what Lin says, increased testosterone will not grow hair.

When you relax and balloon your penis without stress, you get the best blood circulation everywhere due to the parasympathetic arterial dilation in your entire body, you don't have an excessive testosterone-DHT conversion in the initial erection stage, and the other parts of your body won't trap DHT, except your penile spongy tissue which starts to trap testosterone/DHT due to a sustaining erection. Then, you have to transfer your erection into the 2-stage erection to grow your penis. In the 2nd stage of penile erection, the penile DHT receptors can duplicate themselves under a biological action of androgen hormones (HGH/DHEA/androstendione/testosterone/DHT) in conjunction with the 30-60 minutes penile extreme expansion which happens when you are about to come but hold it back.

Androgen receptors have been shown to decrease with age and exposure of the receptor containing tissues to androgens in rats. I could find no papers discussing an increase in receptors in the human corpora cavernosa during extended erections.

[Some text removed where he repeats himself]

A 25 year old healthy man can ejaculate 3-5 times a week if lovemaking, but 1-3 times a week if masturbating. Lovemaking and masturbation are different in neuro-endocrine responses. Masturbation is only useful for physically releasing the seminal pressure and pelvic congestion and for unlocking the brain-testicular axis for the destruction- regeneration cycle in re-setting the brain/nervous systems for a good sleep if you are not sexually exhausted. Lovemaking will give more than those mentioned above, including the stimulation of the brain-testicular axis for more testosterone production and the brain/pituitary for more oxytocin release, provided that you are not sexually exhausted. In each destruction-regeneration cycle, you must preserve your acetylcholine/parasympathetic nervous recharging system for healing, restoration and regeneration; otherwise, you will be sexually exhausted.

In other words, jerking off is only good for making you sleep better. More gobbledygook. The brain-testicular axis is concerned with the hormonal control of testosterone and sperm generation. It has nothing to do with sleep.

The thermodynamic 2nd law implies that your normal, “annual” recovery rate is about 99% provided that you lose about 25% of your sexual power in your 45 (in your midlife transition) in comparing to your sexual power in your 15 (the puberty peak). If you lose about 50% of your sexual power in your 45, your “annual” recovery rate of the overall sexual destruction-regeneration cycles is about 98%. But, Don't worry. Our products can help you regenerate your sexual power; they can bring the midlife men back to their 20's in couple months for more loves and orgasms.. Noticeably, some over-masturbation teenagers who become impotent at age of 20 have an annual recovery rate of about 90%.. And lose 10% of steam annually.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics has to do with heat transfer and entropy. It has no relationship to “sexual power” or the age of humans and their “recovery rate.” He’s totally off the wall here. Note, however, that his products will fix it.

Hint - On calculation of your nervous erectile/sexual power: According to the Dimensional Analysis of physics units, energy is linearly proportional to length squared, (your current sexual energy) / (your maximum sexual energy) = [(your current penile length)**2] / [(your maximum penile length)]**2. When the erecting penis shrinks 80% (0.8) from the maximum penis size, the sexual energy drops 64% (= 0.8 x 0.8)! This is about what the averaged middle-aged men get. It is expected that the ejaculation frequency of the averaged middle-age men should drop about 64% too.

Dimensional Analysis is a real tool in physics and other sciences. It allows one to reduce a number of variables in an equation to the smallest number of fundamental units. It isn’t about any specific formula. The one Lin proposes here to measure “sexual energy” by the length of the penis is just plain silly. His point is that he believes the penis shrinks with age and thus the man has less sexual energy as this occurs. Of course, it’s a made-up formula for a made-up problem. There’s no real science here.

There are many, many more examples of this. He makes it sound like he knows his stuff by using big medical words, but in reality he knows little about how the body works, what effects ejaculation has on the body, etc.

As I said before, he may have developed some techniques for MMO that work, such as ballooning, but his real purpose is to sell pills. And he does this by making the reader believe that normal body functions, such as ejaculation, are bad and that the body’s energy and store of hormones and neurotransmitters are decreased by them. So, in order for your body to be in correct working order, you have to take his pills.

I take a lot of supplements, but mostly I’m just playing with them to see what will happen. I don’t believe for an instant that there’s anything wrong with my bodily functions and I’m not trying to correct any problems. You, or anyone, can take all the supplements you want. My position is: don’t take them to correct problems diagnosed by Dr. Lin. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
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Lin supporters are encouraged to reply. Most, I think, will see this man as the charlatan he is and will disregard his advice and stick to the known PE methods presented here at Thunder’s Place.

Wow .. I can’t believe the Lin bashing. I think is supplement are freaking great. His supplements are the only supplements I’ve ever taken that really turn up my sex drive and I’ve been taking every damn supplement there is for the past 25 years. There is something about his supplements that work for me and I’ve even tried combining my own “supplement” with his ingredients (by buying bulk powder and mixing) and still didn’t work. I’ve done a ton of pro-hormone supplements, DHT, DHEA, testosterone gels etc. Etc. Etc.

Also, Lin does support manual enlargement but ONLY if you have the ability to get an erection by thought only .. This will show that you have the correct amount of chemicals firing correctly I.e. DHEA, DHT, testosterone etc. And I believe it because at 45 years old I know what it’s like to be young and have everything function great and to be older and not have everything function so great.

Also, as far as ejaculation frequency and whether it’s masturbation or sex, I agree with Lin, as you get older less is needed so you don’t get burned out. You can orgasm more if you are having sex as you do get sexual energy (chemicals, chi etc.) from your partner and orgasm from sex is MUCH less taxing on your body than masturbation or a blow job .. Masturbating and blow job orgasms draw chi from the spinal column .. Not good! I never believed this until I got older and more attuned to my body.

I’m sure there are more haters on here but unless you are older or have tried his supplements, it would behoove you to have an open mind. I’m not saying Lin is the end all be all, but he has great supplements and alot of useful information that can be combined with a good PE program.

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