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Dr. Weil and PE

Dr. Weil and PE

Here is an excerpt from Dr. Weil, popular physician, about PE:

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Another method widely promoted as both “natural” and “ancient” is called “jelqing” and involves stroking the penis. Proponents say you can gain up to four inches in length with this technique, but urologists attribute any change in size to swelling caused by bleeding under the skin triggered by the prescribed jelqing “exercise”. Urologists also warn that in time, this technique could cause formation of scar tissue in the penis, which could interfere with the ability to get an erection.

The whole article is here:

http://www.drweil.com/app/cda/drw_c…284-pt=Question

I post at his men’s wellness forum at times. Any arguments I can give him?

For some reason, he didn’t say “natural PE” does not work. I guess it’s ok if most people are kept in the dark about it.

Wow, it’s amazing how little even the urologists know about this. I suppose the 1.08” EL I’ve gained and the 0.94” EG are only a figment of my imagination. And what’s that shit about “bleeding under the skin”??? Like I wouldn’t have noticed this? Surely there would be severe discoloration, since what he described is commonly known as “bruising” - yet, I don’t get this from PE.

Honestly Girth, why the hell do you want to “argue” with him? I could give 2 shits whether Dr. Weil or anyone else believes this. Enjoy it & keep it to yourself. Besides, you’re not going to “convince” him of anything. You’re not a urologist, you’re not even a physician. Why in the world do you think he’d give 2 shits about your “opinion”?

Sex and masturbation must be bad too - wouldn’t want to stroke the penis (gasp!) and cause all that nasty bleeding and scar tissue.

Seriously, Weil or someone like him is probably more open to learning about PE than most doctors. But I agree with Wadzilla, why bother? Guys who research the matter will find their way here.

Maybe it’s better that he doesn’t know.

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Originally posted by wadzilla
Wow, it's amazing how little even the urologists know about this. I suppose the 1.08” EL I've gained and the 0.94” EG are only a figment of my imagination. And what's that shit about “bleeding under the skin”??? Like I wouldn't have noticed this? Surely there would be severe discoloration, since what he described is commonly known as “bruising” - yet, I don't get this from PE.
Honestly Girth, why the hell do you want to “argue” with him? I could give 2 shits whether Dr. Weil or anyone else believes this. Enjoy it & keep it to yourself. Besides, you're not going to “convince” him of anything. You're not a urologist, you're not even a physician. Why in the world do you think he'd give 2 shits about your “opinion”?

Ya, I know, not much chance of convincing anyone who is a “Doctor”. I guess I am kinda ornery, I like needling pompous ass types. The “don’t question me, I’m a professional!” attitude really irritates me. And I want him and his “urologist” friends to site some studies, if they have any. I want to see if they are going on pure prejudice.

If they do have some proof, it wouldn’t hurt us to look at it, we are not prejudice, are we?

What we need is a volunteer: a big gainer to give up his dick for dissection and study. C’mon guys, take one for the team! :clap:


Last edited by Girth Brooks : 07-18-2003 at .

Response from Dr. Weil team:

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Greetings:
As Dr Weil doesn’t actually mention studies other than the American Uroligists association we assume that you wanted to tell others about the forum?
We have no more information than what Dr. Weil says in the links that I have given.
Best
Communities Manager
www.drweil.com

So he was quoting the Urologists opinion. Now to go to the urologists somehow and see if they have any proof.

My response:

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Thank you for your quick response. Yes, I want to inform others who are practicing PE what harm there is in it. I will try to contact the American Uroligists association to see if they can respond to my inquiry for studies to prove that PE is harmful.

I must say, I could understand girth being increased by blood build up or scar tissue but some of the guys have increased in length by 3-4 inches over the course of years. Can’t visualize length being increased this way being explained by scar tissue. It involves the stretching of ligaments, which is common to other parts of the body as well, and tunica. Also it would seem there would be more complaining of loss of erection, which is rare. On the contrary, most report better erections, including myself.

I am open to truth no matter which way it goes and am willing to convey that information.

Their response:

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Greetings
Just remember no sales are allowed on our boards…..
otherwise…welcome.
Communities Manager
www.drweil.com

And my reply:

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Thunder’s is a free forum, not a front for anything or any product or service if that is what you are referring to. And I have no financial involvement with anything. I work with developmentally disabled children.

I know there are a lot of PE scams on the web. I assure you I am not selling anything. I would just like the truth. You quote urologists but have no opinion of your own except to blindly believe them. You don’t know about any studies, just believe the urologists. In the mean time, you disallow the experience of thousands of men who claimed to have been helped by natural penis enlargement.

As you can see I am beginning to get steamed. I hate a run-around.


"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious; It is the source of all true art and science. " Albert Einstein


Last edited by Girth Brooks : 07-18-2003 at .

Ooooh nice! Where is this that you are posting? Email? I want to help. I like a good argument. I’m gaining but not a big gainer yet. :)

~Q


Going for 7.5X6, then 8.5X6.5, then who knows. Girth Brooks - "Didn't get any real gains until I started shutting my cock in a car door and then falling back."

I’d say kepp it all occult … otherwise the average will be bigger and I’ll be right back to where I started — below average!

Girth, you’re killing me … .

LOL!

QuestorSilvanthus,

It’s at Dr. Weil’s men’s health forum. They aren’t used to arguments there. It is mostly, ask the doc, get the answer, no second guessing.

It’s the urologists I want to get to. There is where the real argument is. Show the studies or shut up, Uro’s! :D

beowulf,

I don’t really think our promoting PE would have a great deal of effect on the the average dick size in the world. Most guys would be too lazy even if the AMA endorsed it. Anyway, the way it looks it will be 50 years or so before the medicos get on board.

I really would like to see if the urologists have any information that would be valuable to us. They maybe could help us come up with more efficient routines. We have nothing to fear from real science. That’s what I am trying to get to, cutting through the BS.

P.S.

And if jelqing can make yer dick fall off, wouldn’t it be best if we knew about it? :jelq: :D


"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious; It is the source of all true art and science. " Albert Einstein

Girth,

I know what you mean about wanting to slap pompous assholes but, again, why divulge all this. I love what PE has already done for me. In all honesty, even if my cock had never grown, just the increase in my steel erections was worth it….but I’m bigger now to boot. And I can’t wait to see what hanging will do for me as well (although I’m still going to manually PE along with my hanging).

Would you really want the A.M.A. to put out a 60- or 80-page guide entitled “Natural Penis Enlargement” for any guy to read?

I’ll ask that again…..

Would you really want the A.M.A. to put out a 60- or 80-page guide entitled “Natural Penis Enlargement” for any guy to read?

:(

You have a point, Wadzilla. It wouldn’t bother me though. I am egotistical enough to think my personality would push out the competition if we both were sporting a 9. And being married, the thought of competition would not bother me like you young free boys. There are many women in the world. Enough for all of you. :D

Another thought though. If doctors are so screwed up on this, doesn’t it make you wonder what else they are too close minded to look into?


"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious; It is the source of all true art and science. " Albert Einstein

Very good point Girth.

This actually brings up very complex discussions that I will only touch on here.

1st, Doctors and in fact ANY person who is considered an authority finds themselves in a difficult situation. To admit to not knowing something actually will cause a large number of their following that may be helped to loose confidence and therefore be a net negative. So, even those that WANT to be open minded and potentially even ARE… usually can not risk the display that they are considering an alternate explanation.

2nd, Very often people in a position of authority actually brainwash themselves into believing that they are “right” and therefore any alternate explanation must be “wrong” (this condition seems pervasive)

3rd, Many many alternate explanations are in fact “BS” and it takes a very disciplined individual to remain open minded especially when they have devoted a great deal of their life to the path of study they have chosen and therefore allowed to become their belief system. Human emotions are a delicate thing and dictate most of our actions… including our PE quest!

4th, Addressing the concerns about PE becoming mainstream info… not to worry, most men “wish” they were muscular and “know” about weight training but probably less than 2% of the male population practices it sufficiently to achieve noticable results. Ditto for dieting and other health issue models.

5th, Penis size is really not a competition event. Yes yes it is FUN to “win” in a dick measuring contest but really, how often would it be an issue? The truth is many men have poor self esteem from a perceived penis deficiency and PE is MOST valuable psycologically to those individuals (myself included) .

6th, Some women WANT a big dick. Others are VERY happy with average. Still others have very small vaginas and cannot tolerate a large penis (this from personal experience with my very average size dick). If man with an average size penis marries a woman secretly wanting a big dick… PE could be a marriage saver. Not to mention the most common effect of better and more frequent erections. We must not forget a womans emotional fear of not being pretty/sexy/good enough to make us happy and the burden they assume in ED situations.

So, the above are just a VERY few factors contributing to the PE environment concerning mainstream knowledge and acceptance. Do not worry that PE would become so common as to render someone who is currently above average somehow average again. Not gonna happen. So, I applaud Girth Brooks in both his effort and attitude towards possibly effecting someone (Doc Weil) who could help many if he was to open his mind to the good that PE is capable of doing.

Also, removing the stigma of weirdness that most would associate with an activity such as PE would also allow more to be helped. Helping our fellow humankind is a good and possible required lesson for our lives. Yes, on some levels PE is a personal even selfish pursuit but in reading many posts on the effects it has had on the woman in our lives and subsequent improved quality of life may challenge that primary assertion.

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