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Does Sex/Masturbation Hinder Gains

Originally Posted by peforeal
Johnnno,

I say do what you need to do. There are days after pumping, PE’ing etc, that I feel a real urge to jack off and I do. Then there are other days when I resist the urge to ejaculate and PE a second or third time that day. Cumming or not cumming never affected my ability to get permanent gains. What jacking off too frequently does do is to reduce my interest in PE’ing more. Find a balance between your need to wack and and not wack. It will all be good.

Peforeal

This is totally true for me as well! Frequent masturbation + sex leaves me feeling like there are more important things to be doing than PE. I usually have the best PE sessions (technique and time invested) when I haven’t masturbated for at least a whole day.

I was away in a hot climate where there was little privacy and not much opportunity to orgasm. I did however have the shower to PE. I had some amazing gains and have incorporated the no orgasm thing into the routine. I think tht the body releases some sort of hormone after orgasm that tells the penis to really retract and turtle. After my trip I just couldn’t question whether orgasm affected me anymore. Its just true.

WAd

Originally Posted by wadboutme
I think tht the body releases some sort of hormone after orgasm that tells the penis to really retract and turtle.

As far as I know, ejaculation depletes the existing hormones (testesterone, etc.) that’s why the dick turtles.


Start: 6.9 BPEL x 4.9 (17,5 x 12,5 cm)

Now: 7.7 BPEL x 5.7 (19,5 x 14,5 cm)

That makes some sense. So if that is true then in puberty could masturbation not stunt your growth?

Originally Posted by kaan
As far as I know, ejaculation depletes the existing hormones (testesterone, etc.) that’s why the dick turtles.

Testosterone levels are not depleted as a result of ejaculation.


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avocet8

The way I see it is if your dick turtles up and looks like a sad boy when he finds out that the snow didn’t cancel school then you should avoid beating it after a PE routine.

BUT! In my case, and I think others share my common situation, (I’m also really young and horny lol) where after PE’ing my dick hangs low, I beat it and cum, and it still hangs exactly the same as after I PE’d it, it’s okay.

Confusing sentence ^ :)


March 2006: 6.875" x 4.500" x 5.00" (BPEL x MLG x BG)

April 2007-.: 7.81" x 4.81" x 5.1" - 'And it just keeps getting bigger!'

I will have..: 8.500" x 5.750" x 6.00" My Pics My Progress

Not for me…it just isnt the same at all. Well avocet if it doesnt dep[lete the testosterone…could it be that another hormone is released and that that contracts the penis…because it sure feels that way…and when I edge too close I get the same thing but not at all if I just PE.

Originally Posted by wadboutme
Not for me…it just isnt the same at all. Well avocet if it doesnt dep[lete the testosterone…could it be that another hormone is released and that that contracts the penis…because it sure feels that way…and when I edge too close I get the same thing but not at all if I just PE.

Sure. What you are seeing is the effect of your pituitary, a pea-sized gland in your head - the thinking one. When you ejaculate, it immediately signals the release of prolactin which dampens the erection and puts you into the good, old “refractory period.” Some guys get a larger dump of prolactin than others, which partly explains why some men can cum and stay hard, or pop another boner very quickly.


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avocet8

Are you saying that I could lactate if I dont stop wanking? That could be kinda cool for a day or two.

Wait a minute, ok I am an amateur here on this but isnt prolactin one of the female hormones and doesnt it break down to estrogen or was that progesterone? Hmmmm confusion.

Wad

Ok here it is as you said

Effects
Prolactin has many effects, the most important of which is to stimulate the mammary glands to produce milk (lactation).

Increased serum concentrations of prolactin during pregnancy cause enlargement of the mammary glands of the breasts and increases the production of milk. However, the high levels of progesterone during pregnancy act directly on the breasts to stop ejection of milk. It is only when the levels of this hormone fall after childbirth that milk ejection is possible.

Sometimes, newborn babies (males as well as females) secrete a milky substance from their nipples. This substance is commonly known as Witch’s milk. This is caused by the fetus being affected by prolactin circulating in the mother just before birth, and usually stops soon after birth.

Another effect, recently discovered by the University of Paisley and the Technische Hochschule Zürich, is to provide the body with sexual gratification after sexual acts. The hormone represses the effect of dopamine, which is responsible for sexual arousal, thus causing the male’s refractory period. The amount of prolactin can be an indicator for the amount of sexual satisfaction and relaxation. Unusual high amounts are suspected to be responsible for impotence and loss of libido (see Hyperprolactinemia Symptoms).

Other possible functions of prolactin include the surfactant synthesis of the fetal lungs at the end of the pregnancy and immune tolerance of the fetus by the maternal organism during pregnancy.

So is it possible that edging also promotes the flow of this hormone?

Wad

Wad, can you provide a link to all that?


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avocet8

Sure,

Thanks for clearing up the puzzle. Now I have to find out how to reduce prolactin production. I am thinking about sticking to stretching for a few days to see if that has any effect experimentally.

WAd

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolactin

We even make estrogen, folicle stimulating hormone.Is that a kick or what. Zinc and Vitemin “C” play an important role in the cycle of testosterone preventing it from converting ov er to estrogen in the liver.


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Originally Posted by avocet8

Testosterone levels are not depleted as a result of ejaculation.

Can you give a link for that?


Start: 6.9 BPEL x 4.9 (17,5 x 12,5 cm)

Now: 7.7 BPEL x 5.7 (19,5 x 14,5 cm)

Originally Posted by kaan
Can you give a link for that?

That has already been discussed by westla somewhere in his now (very) long list of associated threads on the subject of this thread. See Post # 8, here.

I understand and appreciate your concern about the loss of “energy” following ejaculation. Some guys feel this strongly; others do not. The supposed “energy” loss is caused by the conflict between several hormones, chiefly prolactin and dopamine. Dopamine inhibits prolactin. It could be argued that men who produce more dopamine than others may have shorter refractory periods and a reduced or even absent sense of “energy loss.”

And then you have the interaction between dopamine and estrogen.

This chemical interchange is sort of like the game we used to play as kids: Scissors, Rock, and Paper. Scissors cut paper, Rock breaks Scissors, Paper covers Rock.

I have seen absolutely no confirmation in these discussions that PE gains are in any way affected by ejaculation. However, the reason all these threads are posted in one area is so that you all can hash it out and draw your own conclusions.


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avocet8

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