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Deconditioning thoughts and questions

Ive managed to injure a ligament during an aggresive manual stretching session. Im a believer in deconditioning breaks and am now begining a 3 week no pe break to allow for healing. Ive read from other members of good gains coming off this type of break. I myself have taken a one week break in each of my three months, for various reasons and had quite good results.

Im wondering if anyone here could expand on the deconditioing theory and possibly give your own experiences with gains after extended breaks.

RedRooster

I’ve taken up to 2 months off from PE. I lost some gains during those 2 months and am still working on getting them back. I would say 3 weeks is plenty if you really want to decondition without losing any temporary gains that haven’t been cemented yet. When I took my break, my flaccid hang and erect girth were the only gains I had gotten up to that point and I lost half of each (FL and EG) after one month of no PE, I’d say. Good luck with that.


Sep. 2003: 7" bpel x 5" eg June 2004: 7 & 1/4" bp x 5 & 3/8" eg Jan. 2005: 7.5 x 5.5 Goal: 8x6 "I always knew pe existed but didn't know where to start, until I found Thundersplace."

Redrooster,

Deconditioning is definitely where it’s at for me. I gained almost three inches in five months. Extraordinary, right? And very unusual. But I put in many many hours during long, intensive manual PE sessions.

So then I went on maintenance for four months, thinking I had cemented those gains, (which I hadn’t). When I realized that I had lost an inch or so, (this was last June), I started a frantic heavy duty two month stretch routine. Did it help? I have no idea. But I did end up injuring myself.

So I took off two months, started up again at the beginning of October, (around my first anniversary P’E’ing).

Now I’m back to a simple jelq/stetch session—nothing extreme, and I’ve regained all my losses and have added an additional half inch in length.

This time I will not lay off until I’m certain the gains are cemented. Who knows how long that will take?

I’m obviously an easy gainer. But I believe my story tells the tale.

Good luck with your PE routine. Hope this is helpful.

HH


"It's not the getting there but the going that's gotta be good." Varg

Horsehung

There does seem to be a reoccuring theme with these breaks, Wadzilla has posted similar results. Anyone else?

RedRooster

I take one week breaks every few months and think it allows dicky to heal. Then I start up all over again… take a break, etc.

Taking an indefinite break will do absolutely nothing for gains. IMO breaks should occur when you feel you’ve been over doing it or simply feel you’ve put in many good stretching sessions. It makes sense to allow yourself to heal so your dick becomes accustomed to and adjusts to what it’s recently been thru. Soon the stretch is permanent.

I cannot measure anywhere near my original starting specs… but wish I could so I could post before and after pics. Like most all of us, we probably don’t believe there will be results… so we don’t take starting pics.

After overstretching a vein myself several months into PE I was worried too. But allowing a week or so of rest and some light massage to the painful area, I was surprised the pain has never returned. Amazingly, I think I strengthened this sensitive area of my dick over time.

Now I slowly stretch out this vein and it never bothers me anymore. Slow and steady!

This has been my only PE injury to date in approximately a year and a half.


Start April, 2003: 5.75" BPEL, 5.25" Girth Current: 7.125" BPEL, 5.5"+ Girth still trying...

I have injured myself a couple times, and ended up taking several months off before. I really didn’t notice a huge loss or gain in size. I actually found that during my time off that it seemed to help in getting erections as much as possible. I am sure I have stated this before, but I believe that erections are actually a good maintenance routine.

If you think about it, an erection is holding blood in the penis. If you have had gains and then stopped, it would seem logical that pushing as much blood into those new areas as possible is going to keep them more stretched out. This doesn’t mean you will never need maintenance, but if you believe in micro-tears then you cannot completely go back. In my experience this is true, I doubt I could ever go back to the size I originally was.

De-conditioning does help if you have hit a plateau, because it can weaken the tissues that have become strong from exercises. However, most of the injuries come from trying to do too much too soon. This is especially true if you have been off a couple weeks or months. Your penis is no longer used to being stressed like that and freaks out if you try to start at your previous intensity.

If you have hit a plateau, you have two choices: one is to stop all PE and decondition those tissues, the second is to try a different method. For example, I just started doing ADS because I felt like hanging was no longer giving me what I wanted, and presto, in the past few days I have had great fatigue.

There is an adage of “Don’t work harder, work smarter.” This goes the same for the penis, more weight does not equal more gains.

-Tom “Carb’s Happen” Foolery


"Yeah, we don't need another smart ass ... we have our share already." - ThunderSS

For a true deconditioning, I believe the minimum time off needs to be the shorter of 8 weeks or 1/2 the time previously active PE’ing. Someone who has only been active for 8 weeks can take a 4 week break; someone who has been going at it for 16 weeks or longer, needs the full 2 month deconditioning. Personally, I am experimenting with more.


One foot down...one to go

Rushmore, Tom Foolery,

Your posts make a lot of sense to me. There is nothing like having walked the walk.

HH


"It's not the getting there but the going that's gotta be good." Varg

Horsehung

Godzilla, overstretching a vein? What were your symptoms, I guess have not heard of this before. My injury, which I believe to be a lig, has a pain path that follows an artery or vein. HHmmm.

Tom foolery, I agree on the value of breaks however I see the breaks function in an opposite manner as you.
My thinking is this, during stretching,jelqing, hanging,etc…we are constantly streching/ thinning soft tissue, our bodies defense mechanism will recognize this stress as detrimental to our safety as continued stretching will further thin the given tissue, leaving the tissue vulnerable to injury via breaking/ snaping etc…
Plateaus are natures defense against injury, taking a deconditioning break will allow stretched tissues and taxed vascular systems to regenerate and strengthen. This is why sometimes we see outstanding gains coming off a break,we are no longer fighting natures defense mechanism and are able to see gains relatively quickly again, then the process will start all over again, each cycle will produce less results than the previous as I believe is demonstrated by many posts here at Thunders.

As for break length, I think 1/2 time of “on cycle” is a bit much 1/3 is probably closer. 3 weeks on 1 week off, for a weekly cycle and 3 months on 1 month off for a monthly cycle seem appropriate and is currently what im experimenting with. My theories are based on cycle research Ive done for various disciplines. Cyclical tendencies in nature are extrodinarily powerful. I use them with a great deal of success in the stock market,and also body building, two seemingly unrelated disciplines both well grounded in cycle theory. If anyone is interested, I could expand on on/off cycles lengths,perhaps graphically as well.

Deconditioning break should be scheduled and taken before plateaus actually happen for best results I believe. Nature often signals us late that there is a problem-thirst for example is a defense mechanism against
dehydration, however by the time we become thirsty we are already into a state of dehydration. Taking water regularly is akin to taking scheduled breaks, allowing us to stay hydrated or make extended cyclical gains.

RedRooster

Thanks for reminding me, Red. I forget. Let me run and get a big glass of water.

HH


"It's not the getting there but the going that's gotta be good." Varg

Horsehung

Originally Posted by redrooster
Godzilla, overstretching a vein? What were your symptoms, I guess have not heard of this before. My injury, which I believe to be a lig, has a pain path that follows an artery or vein. HHmmm.

Tom foolery, I agree on the value of breaks however I see the breaks function in an opposite manner as you.
My thinking is this, during stretching,jelqing, hanging,etc…we are constantly streching/ thinning soft tissue, our bodies defense mechanism will recognize this stress as detrimental to our safety as continued stretching will further thin the given tissue, leaving the tissue vulnerable to injury via breaking/ snaping etc…
Plateaus are natures defense against injury, taking a deconditioning break will allow stretched tissues and taxed vascular systems to regenerate and strengthen. This is why sometimes we see outstanding gains coming off a break,we are no longer fighting natures defense mechanism and are able to see gains relatively quickly again, then the process will start all over again, each cycle will produce less results than the previous as I believe is demonstrated by many posts here at Thunders.

As for break length, I think 1/2 time of “on cycle” is a bit much 1/3 is probably closer. 3 weeks on 1 week off, for a weekly cycle and 3 months on 1 month off for a monthly cycle seem appropriate and is currently what im experimenting with. My theories are based on cycle research Ive done for various disciplines. Cyclical tendencies in nature are extrodinarily powerful. I use them with a great deal of success in the stock market,and also body building, two seemingly unrelated disciplines both well grounded in cycle theory. If anyone is interested, I could expand on on/off cycles lengths,perhaps graphically as well.

Deconditioning break should be scheduled and taken before plateaus actually happen for best results I believe. Nature often signals us late that there is a problem-thirst for example is a defense mechanism against
dehydration, however by the time we become thirsty we are already into a state of dehydration. Taking water regularly is akin to taking scheduled breaks, allowing us to stay hydrated or make extended cyclical gains.

RedRooster

RedRooster, I do agree with what you are saying. However, I also think there is still some degeneration of tissues. Initially, yes, I do think they are quite strong after they are healed but I also believe like most tissues in the body, they will eventually go into decay after inactivity.

However, I still think there is a question to how long a break one should take before coming back. No matter which theory you believe, there is no real answer in my mind how long these breaks should last.

I am a little curious why these deconditioning breaks would help less and less. Could you please elaborate?

-Tom “Forget About It” Foolery


"Yeah, we don't need another smart ass ... we have our share already." - ThunderSS

Tom foolery, I simply meant each cycle, including the break, will bring less results than previous cycles.

RR

redrooster,

Why would this be so? I still don’t understand. Does our body get used to the deconditioning and require more time then?

-Tom “Confused in Chicago” Foolery


"Yeah, we don't need another smart ass ... we have our share already." - ThunderSS

I don’t think I’ll ever repeat the kind of gains I got during the first four to five months of PE. Shit!! My dick would be fourteen inches long!! Where the hell would I put it? I’d have to wear a permanent jock strap or giant cod piece!! :chuckle:

HH


"It's not the getting there but the going that's gotta be good." Varg

Horsehung

>>>Godzilla, overstretching a vein? What were your symptoms, I guess have not heard of this before.

A thrombosed vein is what it’s called. At least that’s what I think it was. It started at the top of my dick just where it connects to my body on the right side. It looked like a thick string and would be sensitive to the touch after stretching. Looked like it could snap if I wasn’t careful.

Rest, message and light stretching in that specific area have eliminated the discomfort.


Start April, 2003: 5.75" BPEL, 5.25" Girth Current: 7.125" BPEL, 5.5"+ Girth still trying...

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