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Clamping: Advanced Empirical Discussion

Originally Posted by marinera
About deconditioning and weight training, a very short resume can be found here:
http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com/hst_index.html

About deconditioning and PE, these are just few of thre related threads:
Who has found that gains come easier after a long lay off?
Strategic Deconditioning
Breaks and progress?

Good stuff. I don’t agree with its use in weight-training though, and have never came across somebody who did, but that is all opinionated anyway. You convinced me as to its use in PE, but I’m still unsure.

Originally Posted by LongVehicle
Not really. We are not enduring long periods of constriction. TUC is constrained at 18 minutes for me. All thats new in the OLF/OLR method is simply recognizing how we carry fatigue and how we carry recovery over time. We are just looking at it from a simpler perspective…instead of going by rules of thumb, we can use this to test out what we are doing to ourselves.

This could be messing with prostate issues. That’s all I have really come up with.

Drugs are irrelevant here, I can’t imagine any sort of codependent side effect. I’m not sure what you mean exactly. I need cialis because I encounter ED during the time that I am using other drugs (side effect). I don’t intend to use it to surpass normal fatigue indicators.

I’m going to have to agree with you here LV. Sounds risky, but when you are conditioned for it, know your dick well, and are one of those “more is more” kind of guys, this shit is the best bet for good gains.

Want to see some scary shit, look at the chemical PE threads. Guys shooting their dick with needles! Now THAT scares me… Newbie routines and gentle manual exercises work for some guys, and for usually only modest gains, most of which are really improved EQ in disguise. Once someone is truly ready for it, clamping is the fastest and best way to gain girth, hands down.

LV- I take it you finally got your Cialis? If so, how’s that going for you? When the idea here is to attain the most expansion/engorgment under clamp, there is nothing better. Also, forgive me if I missed it, but are you using ADS and/or a cock strap or ring after your routine? If not, I highly recommend it.

These past few weeks, as I have stepped up the intensity of my clamping and taken out pumping, I’ve really seen a difference. Flaccid and erect, even EQ is up. I’m so stubborn to post/update stats, but I can now say my dick is bigger than it has ever been in my life, even at the peak of my first 2 years of PE before my years off, and subsequent EG losses due to lack of a maintenance routine. I think I will wait until 9/1/09, which will be a year back at full-time PE to post a new measurement. That way I can post 5.XX EG confidently. For me that is a big deal. I started at a pathetic 4.375EG in the beginning. To join the 5+”EG club has been a fucking dream. This clamping shit works. Worth the risk? You bet!

To simplify, I’m closing in on a cemented 1/2” EG gain, beginning PE again on 9/1/08, through now. More than half that has come in the past few months. Wonder where I would be now if I didn’t still smoke cigarettes and drink a few beers a day?… I eat pretty good though, if that makes a difference.

Something else to consider, there is definitely a right and wrong way to clamp, at least from a gains perspective. I’ve read of many who “clamped” and didn’t gain much, if at all. As has been discussed in this thread, TUC, intensity, number of sets, and in my opinion ADS are critical. Half-hearted efforts will yield half-hearted results. BG is a good example, though a bit on the extreme side.

I’ve been on and off this website for awhile but in the time I’ve really been trying to get back into PE I’ve witnessed almost no gains from clamping. I’m pretty sure I’ve been doing things correctly, but I can’t seem to get anywhere. One thing I do notice is that I think due to my really high pressure routines I still have dark spotting after I’m done. I always thought that was just a sign that I was doing a bit too much pressure, could that in some way be effecting my gains?

Using too much force makes tissue stronger very fast. This phenomenon is so widely reported that it is not worth denying it. But you had to have at least some minimal growth. So, maybe your TA is so thick that simply can’t be enlarged, or maybe clamping, for some unkown reason, is not the best exercise for you.

Have you tried anything else for girth? If yes, how it worked?

I’ve done Jelqing but it led to no real gains. I would think the spotting would be a sign that there was too much pressure and I couldn’t handle it. If I’m using too much force would I see more gains if I did lower pressure clamping as apposed to stronger? I could take a 2-3 week break and come back with lower pressure.

Originally Posted by Beretta92
I’m going to have to agree with you here LV. Sounds risky, but when you are conditioned for it, know your dick well, and are one of those “more is more” kind of guys, this shit is the best bet for good gains.

Want to see some scary shit, look at the chemical PE threads. Guys shooting their dick with needles! Now THAT scares me… Newbie routines and gentle manual exercises work for some guys, and for usually only modest gains, most of which are really improved EQ in disguise. Once someone is truly ready for it, clamping is the fastest and best way to gain girth, hands down.

LV- I take it you finally got your Cialis? If so, how’s that going for you? When the idea here is to attain the most expansion/engorgment under clamp, there is nothing better. Also, forgive me if I missed it, but are you using ADS and/or a cock strap or ring after your routine? If not, I highly recommend it.

These past few weeks, as I have stepped up the intensity of my clamping and taken out pumping, I’ve really seen a difference. Flaccid and erect, even EQ is up. I’m so stubborn to post/update stats, but I can now say my dick is bigger than it has ever been in my life, even at the peak of my first 2 years of PE before my years off, and subsequent EG losses due to lack of a maintenance routine. I think I will wait until 9/1/09, which will be a year back at full-time PE to post a new measurement. That way I can post 5.XX EG confidently. For me that is a big deal. I started at a pathetic 4.375EG in the beginning. To join the 5+”EG club has been a fucking dream. This clamping shit works. Worth the risk? You bet!

To simplify, I’m closing in on a cemented 1/2” EG gain, beginning PE again on 9/1/08, through now. More than half that has come in the past few months. Wonder where I would be now if I didn’t still smoke cigarettes and drink a few beers a day?… I eat pretty good though, if that makes a difference.

Something else to consider, there is definitely a right and wrong way to clamp, at least from a gains perspective. I’ve read of many who “clamped” and didn’t gain much, if at all. As has been discussed in this thread, TUC, intensity, number of sets, and in my opinion ADS are critical. Half-hearted efforts will yield half-hearted results. BG is a good example, though a bit on the extreme side.

Hey guys, I know it seems like I’ve disappeared the past few days but I’ve just been here clamping like crazy. I think I’m going to try both LV and marineras approach to clamping. I seem to be a more is more kind of guy at least with girth. I’ve been clamping more then ever the past 5 days, carrying fatigue over to see if I’ll gain this way. After 2-3 weeks I’ll have a light week to allow supercompensation or recovery or whatever is actually going on. If I have good results I’ll probably do another cycle of that. Then I’ll try marinera’s thoughts on it and alternate a hard clamping day with a lighter one while incresing sets each week.

I do have cialis as well, and should be getting the essential oils in the mail this week to make EVO. I want to be engorged 24/7. Should I post in the other thread and track my routine. Beretta congrats on the gains, I started at 4.25 so even anything over 4.5 would seem amazing to me, keep up the hard work.


Then: 5.63"x4.25" ---> Now: 6.50"x4.44"

Originally Posted by The Man
I think I’m going to try both LV and marineras approach to clamping. I seem to be a more is more kind of guy at least with girth.

I want to make it clear that I am not a “more is more” person. I neither recommend nor practice that stuff, my upping TUC view is actually an attempt to get away from that mentality.

Clamping marathons were the most extreme and completely useless experience I ever encountered (personally, they may work for others like the esteemed BG of course). I chose to lengthen sets because I realized upping frequency at low TUC wasn’t really doing anything for gains, and it was pretty painful.

Originally Posted by Pith

I’ve done Jelqing but it led to no real gains. I would think the spotting would be a sign that there was too much pressure and I couldn’t handle it. If I’m using too much force would I see more gains if I did lower pressure clamping as apposed to stronger? I could take a 2-3 week break and come back with lower pressure.

I think should try something else than clamping rigth now. You could give it a try after again, after some months, but ‘almost no gains’, as said, seems to be a sign that clamping isn’t the best way for you.

Originally Posted by The Man

……. Should I post in the other thread and track my routine….

In the Experiment thread, you mean? See if your routine fits with LV’ ideas; if so, the Experiment thread could be the right place. You could also start a new thread in the progres report section, naming it “The Man’ experiments on girth routines”, or something, and making clear in that thread where you got the ideas you are applying. This last could be the best option, IMHO.

Originally Posted by Beretta92
I’m going to have to agree with you here LV. Sounds risky, but when you are conditioned for it, know your dick well, and are one of those “more is more” kind of guys, this shit is the best bet for good gains.

Want to see some scary shit, look at the chemical PE threads. Guys shooting their dick with needles! Now THAT scares me… Newbie routines and gentle manual exercises work for some guys, and for usually only modest gains, most of which are really improved EQ in disguise. Once someone is truly ready for it, clamping is the fastest and best way to gain girth, hands down.

LV- I take it you finally got your Cialis? If so, how’s that going for you? When the idea here is to attain the most expansion/engorgment under clamp, there is nothing better. Also, forgive me if I missed it, but are you using ADS and/or a cock strap or ring after your routine? If not, I highly recommend it.

These past few weeks, as I have stepped up the intensity of my clamping and taken out pumping, I’ve really seen a difference. Flaccid and erect, even EQ is up. I’m so stubborn to post/update stats, but I can now say my dick is bigger than it has ever been in my life, even at the peak of my first 2 years of PE before my years off, and subsequent EG losses due to lack of a maintenance routine. I think I will wait until 9/1/09, which will be a year back at full-time PE to post a new measurement. That way I can post 5.XX EG confidently. For me that is a big deal. I started at a pathetic 4.375EG in the beginning. To join the 5+”EG club has been a fucking dream. This clamping shit works. Worth the risk? You bet!

To simplify, I’m closing in on a cemented 1/2” EG gain, beginning PE again on 9/1/08, through now. More than half that has come in the past few months. Wonder where I would be now if I didn’t still smoke cigarettes and drink a few beers a day?… I eat pretty good though, if that makes a difference.

Something else to consider, there is definitely a right and wrong way to clamp, at least from a gains perspective. I’ve read of many who “clamped” and didn’t gain much, if at all. As has been discussed in this thread, TUC, intensity, number of sets, and in my opinion ADS are critical. Half-hearted efforts will yield half-hearted results. BG is a good example, though a bit on the extreme side.

Ah Beretta, I love reading your enthusiastic posts.

I got my Cialis yesterday actually. I started on a low dose of 10 mg. Despite being on my debilitating accelerant, I still achieved slightly more erectile function than I would normally have without the accelerant. This is a big deal. Problem solved, and more.

I realize your starting statistics are different length-wise, but I should note that I started thinner than you, at 4.25. To me, this is a very serious matter (girth), which is why I consider it so thoroughly. I am trying to fool my penis into growing thicker, because it decided to be so damn thin.

BG is an excellent PE’er. He is very creative and laid the groundwork for what we are doing now.

As for an ADS, I honestly don’t think that is a good idea, personally. After reading some of marinera’s research reports, I’ve decided against it. Instead, EVO allows me to maintain an engorged yet unconstrained penis all day (and night) long. For example, the last time I saw mine (an hour ago) it was approximately 6x5 - flaccid. This is not my normal flaccid, it’s my EVO flaccid.

Interestingly, I failed to note something before: I think I’ve gained length from clamping. I never really payed attention until today, but I’m quite sure that I’ve gained a significant amount of length. I really don’t like measuring, but I suspect it’s about a half inch. I think if I lost the fat pad I might have an 8 BPEL, or close.

Conclusion: clamping is amazing. More efficient (hands-free, get work done while doing it), less time per day (to achieve major results), stealthier (hang, pump require large and odd tools - even jelqing requires total privacy, while you can clamp and then proceed to walk into a shopping mall if you felt like it), etc. And as for discoloration, the vascular [appearing] penis we get from this far surpasses the side-effect of discoloration, in my opinion.

Is the spotting I get from clamping a sign that I should be altering the work being placed by clamping either by increasing sets or time and not so much the force?

The spotting is definitely a sign that you are tightening too much the clamp and maybe doing too long sets also.

Originally Posted by LongVehicle
ShyMplsMale, I enjoy your posts and I don’t mean to pick on them. I have never heard of a weightlifter lifting for 7 months and seeing no gains, and reacting by taking a break. Usually he would instead check his routine and find out why he is not gaining.

This doesn’t seem to have anything to do with “deconditioning.” He didn’t gain in the start, it’s not that he gained girth and then stopped.


Actually, there have been quite a few lifters that haven’t gained because of over training, that then begin to gain when they take a break.

Originally Posted by LongVehicle
I want to make it clear that I am not a “more is more” person. I neither recommend nor practice that stuff, my upping TUC view is actually an attempt to get away from that mentality.

Clamping marathons were the most extreme and completely useless experience I ever encountered (personally, they may work for others like the esteemed BG of course). I chose to lengthen sets because I realized upping frequency at low TUC wasn’t really doing anything for gains, and it was pretty painful.

I haven’t been doing anything like a clamping marathon. I will try to keep my sets consistent from here on out to follow your views and hypothesis on clamping. I also upped my TUC a few days ago as well after reading this thread. I went from 8-10 minute sets up to 12 minutes. I think that is the longest I am conditioned to handle at this time. I believe the max I can do per day is 4x12 without carrying fatigue over. This is just a guess as I am not 100% positive. I did 4 sets on Friday, 6 on Saturday, 5 Sunday, 4 Monday, 5 Tuesday. I was going to take a couple days off in there, but when I saw the conflicting opinions on this I decided to keep clamping and carrying fatigue. I was thinking about trying for 5x12 for the next couple of weeks or maybe bump it up to 6x12 if possible. Hopefully continuing this will show big gains.

How would you like me to continue LV? I think I have been close enough to your proposed routine that I can continue to do something along these lines and track it in the experiment thread? I’ve been at or over my estimated fatigue threshold, there has been no chance for me to recover so far. Let me know what you’d like to see. After a couple cycles of your routine I will see how it goes with marinera’s proposed routine, and anyone else who can help me gain some girth ;)


Then: 5.63"x4.25" ---> Now: 6.50"x4.44"

So I should shoot for less force and more sets with less time?

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