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Body Genes And PE Gains Relation Theory

Originally Posted by djufo
You sound very secure stating that somatypes have nothing to do with the sort of tissue found in penis.

Do you have the scientific study proving that?


Do you have scientific proof that somatotypes exist?

Originally Posted by brazillionaire
Do you have scientific proof that somatotypes exist?

No. Why?


Present: 8.75" BPEL, 9.25" BPSFL, 5.3" EG

Goal: 1' BPEL, 6.5" EG

Well guys Im an ectomorph, for me its hard to get bigger biceps and triceps; and kinda legs, but i have a pretty decent chest and back.

I have 1 year doing the exercises of PE, and I can say that I’m glad of my results , and I never over train.

So I don’t really think that the different type of bodies can be a big difference between us in PE.

The only thing I’m interested in at this point is making a poll, for people to define their somatype, and then their ability to gain with PE.

I will be making a thread in the next few days, if you are interested in this topic, make a post.

Thanks.


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This is like comparing hair color to ease of gains in PE. I don’t mean to be rude but the sheer number of genes that contribute to overall bodytype is overwhelming, and to suggest that all bodytypes can be classified so generically seems remarkably naive.

Although I feel like it is a waste of time, I still wish you the best of luck regardless. If it helps, I definitely most closely resemble an ectomorph by bodytype (very thin and tall). I definitely gain muscle easily, however, and I seem to gain in PE just as easily.

— Don’t take this the wrong way, I don’t mean to offend!

Originally Posted by ch950990006
This is like comparing hair color to ease of gains in PE. I don’t mean to be rude but the sheer number of genes that contribute to overall bodytype is overwhelming, and to suggest that all bodytypes can be classified so generically seems remarkably naive.

Although I feel like it is a waste of time, I still wish you the best of luck regardless. If it helps, I definitely most closely resemble an ectomorph by bodytype (very thin and tall). I definitely gain muscle easily, however, and I seem to gain in PE just as easily.

— Don’t take this the wrong way, I don’t mean to offend!

With much respect,

How can you so confidently say it’s a waste of time and spawned from naivety?

Body genetics are what makes us weather it’s in your penis, your toenail, or your arm. The somatypes/PE relationship is more than just an idea, I believe that there is more to it. I’m not saying it’s a relation for sure. Who am I to say so? I’ve only been looking into it and wanted to ask some people what they thought before I make a poll.

Only the poll will give us a better idea, and even if it doesn’t make sense or show any relation, I still believe that there is something to somatypes and PE gains. I’m not saying it’s important over everything else, just that a mesomorphs genes are throughout his body, why should it only be his height and weight and ability to gain muscle/weight?

Why can it not be about every muscle in the body? We all know the penis does have muscle, and maybe the muscle of the penis being able to train better on a mesomorph effect the rest of the penis tissue to join in growth.

It could sound totally ridiculous or make sense to someone with an open mind.

I find it hard to believe that something science knows so little about (PE) could disregard any theory.

It’s not so much about could we prove this theory, it’s more about can anyone prove there’s no relation?

Are there any medically qualified members out there that care to share their feelings on this matter.

I welcome your views.


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Originally Posted by 17ml
With all due respect,

You may be skipping the whole point, I understand what you mean, and it makes sense but I think your missing the following.

Yes mesomorphs are well built from the start, but it’s not just their frame (bone structure) that makes them gain weight (muscle or fat) easier.

From what I understand (and have studied) it’s the genes of the mesomorph that can gain mass faster than an ectomorph, and not just the frame, I have studied about the theory and the genetic metabolism for each group.

You mention that penis size is not related to somatic types, which is correct, but the fact still remains that tissue gaining potential does relate to soma types.

So who’s to say that gaining penis tissue isn’t the same as gaining muscle tissue (after all the penis is made from 50% muscle)

An insight on muscle (tissue):

Muscle is the contractile tissue of the body and is derived from the mesodermal layer of embryonic germ cells. Muscle cells contain contractile filaments that move past each other and change the size of the cell. They are classified as skeletal, cardiac, or smooth muscles.

I have also studied a lot from Remek at the PE gym, who has in turn studied a lot about the penis being 50% muscle. If this is the case and the penis being 50% muscle and the mesomorph being able to gain muscle easier than lets say any other genetic body type, then shouldn’t we at least entertain the chance that they could hold the gene to easy PE gains?

Penis tissue:

I have put some interesting facts below about the smooth muscles of the penis, maybe this will explain to anyone who didn’t realise that the penis is 50% muscle:

The important role of corpora cavernosal smooth muscle in potency has been known since Goldstein et al reported the first examination of erectile tissue. 8 Normal smooth muscle content and function are necessary for the initiation and maintenance of erection. 6 Published reports suggest that the average intracorporeal smooth muscle percent is between 40% and 50%. 9 Our unpublished data confirm this rate with the finding of an incidence of smooth muscle of about 49% in normal potent males in the general population. In contrast, patients with veno-occlusive dysfunction show a much lower percent on microscopic examination. A prior study suggested that these patients have a smooth muscle percent of 10% to 36%. 9 Concomitant intracorporeal fibrosis results in abnormal smooth muscle function, increased venous leakage and eventually impotence.

* Because the penis is compromised of 50 percent smooth muscle, and smooth muscle has a lot of the basic properties of skeletal muscle (the biceps, triceps, and all the other commonly known muscles), we can presume that it might react to stress the same way normal muscle does. Which is a no brainer for us all! What are we doing here? Exercising! Moreover, nearly every single guideline we have is based off body-building/exercising/weightlifting concepts in one way or another! Think about it — Bib, presumably one of the biggest gainers (if we accept his claims as facts), used a weightlifting concept known as “progressive overload.” Peter Dick, another big gainer uses a common weightlifting program known as “muscle confusion” (in which he keeps the muscles guessing). And now, more recently (thanks to guys like you [xeno], Shiver, MX, Modesto, Wadzilla, and many more) we are now realizing cyclic training using deconditioning breaks helps us keep the penis in a responsive state. And cycylic training is a very popular weightlifting principle (if not the biggest).

* Albeit, this doesn’t particularly mean we can attribute the growth to smooth muscle growth — but regardless, if the penis grows, the smooth muscle must grow too. The article I quoted above stated: less smooth muscle = higher chance of ED. Obviously this isn’t the case for us PEers. Most of us report harder erections.

* Also, It is well documented that smooth muscle can grow due to stress. I have a whole book on the subject, in fact. It is called [you]
Hypertrophic Response in Smooth Muscle[you], by Charles L. Seidel and Normal W. Weisbrodt. It appears this book has numerous scholarly articles on the growth of smooth muscle. Link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/084.Fencoding=UTF8

* I also think this can explain why PE gains are permanent (for the most part), opposed to traditional muscular growth gains. Think about it like this: the smooth muscle in the penis is exercised when we jelq, stretch, and incorporate other exercises. These exercises take the penis (and the smooth muscle) beyond it’s normal threshold. But what is the normal threshold? An erection. Masturbation, sex, anything that involves an erection is exercise too! It’s typically just not enough to cause growth. Therefore, after the gains are cemented, and we retire all we need to do to keep the gains is have frequent erections — in which the erections are enough exercise to keep the gains. It is also well documented that as men get older, and they use their penis less, the smaller it becomes. Note: I don’t have a reference for this off-hand.

In an essence, this article went over (in detail, down to the chemistry) the smooth muscle’s role in the penis. The bottom line: smooth muscle is very, very important. Or, at least that is what I perceived it to be. The smooth muscle causes an erection (which is set off through chemical reactions) by completely relaxing. “Compression of the relaxed trabecular smooth muscle against the fibroelastic tunica albuginea causes the closure of the emissary veins,” and thus results in an erection. If this smooth muscle is unable to completely relax, then an erection can’t take place… . .

Theory: (a and b)

A: A mesomorph has greater ability’s (genetically) to gain tissue overall than the other groups of morphs.

B: The Penis consists of tissues.

Are there any points of view on this post.


I said that I would not participate in this thread,but I could not help it…
Endomorphs have more potential than even Mesomorphs when it comes to gaining tissue and “cementing”.


"You shall call him E.Honda"

"Demokrati är inget annat än att ge majoriteten rätten att mobba minoriteten. Min kropp, mitt kapital och mitt liv ska vara mitt val!"

C Phantasy, I’m just glad you opted to quote that huge original post to say so little. We all love to scroll through 5 paragraphs of something we already read just to read two sentences. Well done and thank you for your contribution.


Current average: NBPEL 7(ish)" / MSEG: 5.25"

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LT Goal: NBPEL: 7.25" / MSEG: 6"

C phantasy.

I’m glad you made that point, but it’s actually as far as I’ve gathered that the Endomorph is prone to weight gain more easily (in other words fat), this is something they can gain easier than the other types of morphs.

The Mesomorph is in fact the type that can gain muscle (tissue) easier and faster than the others.

I wouldn’t say any of the somatypes would have a need for cementing fat or muscle? What do you mean? Could you elaborate more.


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Originally Posted by 17ml
Are there any medically qualified members out there that care to share their feelings on this matter.

I welcome your views.


I’m not a doctor, but I am a medical student

It’s not the relationship between somatypes and PE that I doubt, but rather the value of somatypic distinctions altogether. From a genetic standpoint, such generic classifications are utterly worthless for describing actual body physiology.

Just my two cents. I don’t mean to piss on your idea, though, so I’ll keep my pessimistic attitude to my self for the remainder of you inquiry!

17 Ml, Mesomorphs do not come near the muscle mass Endomorphs are capable of achiving.
Endomorphs are like bears,heavy but powerful(Strongmen,Powerlifters etc.). Mesomorphs are more lean and generally strong(bodybuilders).

By cementing I refer to my latest PM. Cementing your PE gains. The smooth muscle plays an very important role in this. *I will not elaborate this part anymore except via PM*

Originally Posted by wda628
C Phantasy, I’m just glad you opted to quote that huge original post to say so little. We all love to scroll through 5 paragraphs of something we already read just to read two sentences. Well done and thank you for your contribution.


Your welcome.


"You shall call him E.Honda"

"Demokrati är inget annat än att ge majoriteten rätten att mobba minoriteten. Min kropp, mitt kapital och mitt liv ska vara mitt val!"


Last edited by C.phantasy : 09-15-2009 at .

Originally Posted by C.phantasy
17 Ml, Mesomorphs do not come near the muscle mass Endomorphs are capable of achiving.
Endomorphs are like bears,heavy but powerful(Strongmen,Powerlifters etc.). Mesomorphs are more lean and generally strong(bodybuilders).

By cementing I refer to my latest PM. Cementing your PE gains. The smooth muscle plays an very important role in this. *I will not elaborate this part anymore except via PM*

Your welcome.

With all due respect,

And I quote..

The Endomorph body type is solid and generally soft. Endomorphs gain FAT very easily. Endo’s are usually of a shorter build with thick arms and legs. Muscles are strong, especially the upper legs. Endomorphs find they are naturally strong in leg exercises like the squat.
Typical traits of an Endomorph:

* Soft and round body
* Gains muscle and fat very easily
* Is generally short and “stocky”
* Round physique!
* Finds it hard to lose fat!
* Slow metabolism!

Endomorph

When it comes to training endomorphs find it very easy to gain weight. Unfortunately, a large portion of this weight is fat NOT muscle!. To keep fat gain to a minimum, endomorphs must always train cardio as well as weights. Usually supplements may not be needed as long as the person has a high protein intake in their diet.

This is what I’m interested about looking into..

A Mesomorph has a large bone structure, large muscles and a naturally athletic physique. Mesomorphs are the best body type for bodybuilding. They find it quite easy to gain and lose weight. They are naturally strong which is the perfect platform for building muscle.
Typical traits on a Mesomorph:

* Athletic
* Hard body with well defined muscles
* Rectangular shaped body
* Strong
* Gains muscle easily
* Gains fat more easily than ectomorphs

Mesomorph

The mesomorph body type responds the best to weight training. Gains are usually seen very quickly, especially for beginner’s
(Noobie gains ?). The downside to mesomorphs is they gain fat more easily than ectomorphs. This means they must watch their calorie intake. Usually a combination of weight training and cardio works best for mesomorphs.

I think the mesomorph gains muscle tissue faster than any other somatype, if anyone has proof otherwise, post here to add to the discussion, I would love to know if I’m mistaken.

The mesomorph as far as I’ve learnt, has a true tissue gaining code (genetically) though stated by a medical student (whom I thank for his input and who knows a lot more about the medical world than I) that genetically doesn’t hold any weight, there is an attractive idea behind my suspicion’s.

Is there anyone at all that agrees?


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Are you quoting from where, 17ml? Add the link if those aren’t your own words, please.

I like to attach links, but the last time I tried one, it was auto linking to an old thread that thunders made. It was kind of on default, so I assumed that you weren’t allowed.

Here you go.

Http://www.muscleandstrength.com/ar…-endomorph.html

It would be interesting to see how many medical students on here (if any) think this could be a waste of time.


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