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Originally Posted by Renholder
Bearded Dragon,

Great work! Did you find any commonalities with girth gainers? I’m thinking both volume/time and exercise selection. I did notice the comment on drinking sufficient amounts of water.

I suppose there are some loose commonalities. In all honesty, I did not find any strong commonalities, there was a great diversity in the methods used. So what I did find was a diverse set of optimizations that I could use to give myself the best odds of getting good gains. As I tried out all the ideas, I gained with most of them along the way.

Of course the most important is long term consistency with some routine that expands girth beyond normal erection size.

Adequate hydration just before and during workouts - to keep the blood volume, and blood viscosity, in the ideal range for maximum erections.

General high EQ and edging. Good cardiovascular health, good libido. By doing the workouts on a maximum bone, the expanded workout size will of course be that much bigger as well.

Big gainers tend to (not always!) have big routines. Whether that means more frequent workouts, or longer duration workouts, or more intense workouts - or some combination of all those.

A unique balance of work and rest that works for them, in other words they have mastered their own growth response, PI’s, etc. A learned familiarity with what it feels like to be gaining. The feel of a productive workout, and the feel of a productive recovery, healing, growth from that workout.

A tendency (not always!) to go beyond basic manuals into pumping and clamping, or simply more intense manuals.

They tend to make their own gear, or at least be willing to customize their gear to their own preferences. If they think some specific device will help them gain or target a specific area, they make it happen.’

Likewise they tend to experiment and make up their own manuals, whatever works best for expansion or targeting a specific area.

Ejaculating slightly less often than normal (or even less frequently than that). This increases the ease and duration of erections, making for better workouts. It also significantly increases testicle size (scientifically proven), and in my opinion also increases shaft size by a very minor amount (about 0.1” x 0.05” for me). It also improves recovery and healing by freeing up the body energy that would otherwise be used on sperm production. Certainly this is not a requirement to gain, but I noticed a higher than normal percent of big gainers who credit some level of sperm retention as a factor in their success.

Being erect for girth workouts. Seems obvious. Basically having a high erection level acts as a sort of shield (kind of like an air bag) that allows one to utilize stronger forces, higher pressure, and so on.

Having some sort of post workout “stayer” device that maintains some plumpness and pressure. Bib’s theraband wrap, the Ace Thera-P magnetic bandage, the cock coil, the namba.

That’s all I can think of off the top of my head. I want to note importantly that I did not notice a specific exercise selection that had more big gainers than another. As I mentioned there was a tendency toward clamping and pumping, and generally a higher intensity level (or bigger workouts) than your average PE’er. But in terms of a specific girth technique that reigned above all others, I don’t think it exists. They are all forms of increasing internal pressure to expand beyond normal erection size, and so they all work. Optimization comes down to getting the most expansion, for the most time, with the most comfort, most enjoyment, and least risk possible.

I also want to say, I used to think that not everyone could get big gains (that was mainstream PE thought when I started). Many people doubted 20+ ci gainers. I knew they were possible, and wanted to find out why some got them and others didn’t. Now I think anyone can get big gains, whether it’s girth or length. It’s only a matter of learning how, and then simply doing it for years and years. The physiological growth response that is responsible for big gains exists in all of us, or at least anyone with a healthy body and penis.


Before 5.5" x 4.1" volume 7.3 ci ////// Now 7.4" x 4.9" volume 14.1 ci

What a great post!


Start: Dec 2016 BPEL: 6.125" MEG: 5.5" (5' - 9" 264 lb)

Curr: Oct 2017 BPEL: 6.75" MEG: 5.625" (5' - 9" 245 lb)

Goal: 7.5" x 6" .......I want to win the dick swinging contest.

Great summary!


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Excellent summary, BeardedDragon! Pure gold!


(12/5/2008) BPEL: 7.75" EG: 5.75" BSFL: 8.1" FL: 5" FG 4.25"||New Goal: NBPEL: 8" EG: 6"

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Great summary. Realizing that I now fall into the big-gainer category, much of what you summarized does apply to me and my routine.

Nice, summary, BD! Thanks! :)

Originally Posted by BeardedDragon
General high EQ and edging. Good cardiovascular health, good libido. By doing the workouts on a maximum bone, the expanded workout size will of course be that much bigger as well.

I think this is KEY. The difference between a session done with great and reduced EQ is usually night and day for me.

I wonder if the big gainers have a higher tolerance for girth work, i.e., they can push more in their sessions without destroying EQ. For me, it’s a hard balance to strike. And I find girth work hard long term since you seem so dependent on good EQ/high sex drive.

Originally Posted by BeardedDragon
Being erect for girth workouts. Seems obvious. Basically having a high erection level acts as a sort of shield (kind of like an air bag) that allows one to utilize stronger forces, higher pressure, and so on.

Yes, it seems obvious and is true, I guess, BUT, there certainly are members who advocate for instance both clamping and pumping starting with a plump dick. I’m pretty sure BIB said that with his ULI device, there was no need to be erect prior to starting and that in fact it could be an advantage not to be.

But of course, the size reached during the session exceeds the normal erect volume.

During these intense sessions was it even possible for these big gainers to have positive PI’s?? Especially doing 1-3 hours a day 5 on 2 off? Or at this point are PI’s ignored and are they forcing growth ?

You did mention “A unique balance of work and rest that works for them, in other words they have mastered their own growth response, PI’s, etc.” I was just curious to see if PI’s were still top priority when having big gains.


Last edited by Aaron22 : 11-04-2017 at .

Originally Posted by Aaron22
During these intense sessions was it even possible for these big gainers to have positive PI’s?? Especially doing 1-3 hours a day 5 on 2 off? Or at this point are PI’s ignored and are they forcing growth ?

You did mention “A unique balance of work and rest that works for them, in other words they have mastered their own growth response, PI’s, etc.” I was just curious to see if PI’s were still top priority when having big gains.

Pi’s were all over the place. I made sure my EQ was back to normal by the weekends.


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Currently: 9.75bpX6.75eg My Picture Thread

Goal:10.0bpX7.25mseg Building a thicker unit, click by click, pump by pump, jelq by jelq!

Originally Posted by dickerschwanz
I assume this is only about the starting erection. During the exercise all of them reached beyond 100% Im sure.
If I try to clamp a 100% erection I get almost no expansion. Its like clamping an iron bar.

I’m sure that’s the case with clampers, but it does not seem like the case for Wadzilla and jelqing:

Wadzilla: “Slow, firm jelqs - both wet & dry - at about 75% erection. In my early months, I was doing PE every other day - never on consecutive days. While I believe that “more is better” for Length, I believe that “LESS is more” for Girth. Too much girth work, I believe, traumatizes the tissues….inhibiting growth.
Try a simple, not-too-frequent approach to girth for a while.”

“In addition, I still believe that the best PE gains come whilst the tunica is UNloaded.”

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If you’re able to increase your less than 100% erection beyond your normal less than 100% erection during a session, maybe that’d be the same thing. I don’t know…After all these years in PE, I’m still very short on theory and an actual understanding of how things work. :)

Since I’m coming up short on time lately, I might try to do an EOD approach.

Originally Posted by Titleist
Pi’s were all over the place. I made sure my EQ was back to normal by the weekends.

I see I might take that into consideration and jelq 5 on 2 off regardless on my pIs and see where it takes me.

Originally Posted by Renholder
I’m sure that’s the case with clampers, but it does not seem like the case for Wadzilla and jelqing:

Wadzilla: “Slow, firm jelqs - both wet & dry - at about 75% erection. In my early months, I was doing PE every other day - never on consecutive days. While I believe that “more is better” for Length, I believe that “LESS is more” for Girth. Too much girth work, I believe, traumatizes the tissues….inhibiting growth.
Try a simple, not-too-frequent approach to girth for a while.”

“In addition, I still believe that the best PE gains come whilst the tunica is UNloaded.”

*

If you’re able to increase your less than 100% erection beyond your normal less than 100% erection during a session, maybe that’d be the same thing. I don’t know…After all these years in PE, I’m still very short on theory and an actual understanding of how things work. :)

Since I’m coming up short on time lately, I might try to do an EOD approach.

Yet this is very interesting too. I wonder if Wad stook to this approach during his biggest and most consistent gains.

Renholder,

You caught me. Some of my personal thoughts perhaps bled through on that point.

I suppose all I meant to say is that big girth gains tend to happen while doing erect work as opposed to flaccid work, whether that’s 50% or 100% is a matter of style.

And that being erect can protect softer tissues like blood vessels and the urethra from otherwise seemingly injurious force levels.


Before 5.5" x 4.1" volume 7.3 ci ////// Now 7.4" x 4.9" volume 14.1 ci

Noticing a pattern on volume and success with clamping. Seems all four of these big gainers were averaging an hour a day in the clamp. I think 3x5-10 minutes is a good starting point for conditioning, but progressing onward from there is probably crucial.

From drilla9:
“I favour 4 x 15 minute sets per day, mostly in the morning but I can spread it throughout the day as I work from home.”

BIB:
“Sometimes it only took four or five [ten-minute] sets. Sometimes much more. It is hard to remember the actual numbers, but that is close. Probably the most I ever did was ten or so in one day.”

Juke:
“I have maintained a routine of 3x a day clamping, 20min in the morning, 20min afternoon, and 40min in the evening.”

Big Girtha:
“During the 10 minute rest period during each hanging set [six per day] I clamp off an erection with cable clamp and do erect bends, then one Horse 440 before reattaching the Bib Starter for the next set.”

I think it is interesting to note that none of them really went beyond an hour a day a day in the clamp much, either (even BIB and BG, who both basically ate, slept, and breathed PE). Instead they added manual exercises while in the clamp with jelqs, edging, bends, and squeezes.

So maybe a good heuristic formula for clamping is to first build up to one hour per day of volume, then increase intensity.

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