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Attention all clampers!

I’ve been experimenting with clamping…and it appears there appears to be two distinct camps;

1) Clamp until outflow and inflow is cut off…but loose enough so you can increase inflow pressure with a kagel…and inflate the penis to rock hard turgidity.

2) Clamp to the point you can still get some outflow, which will inflate the penis, but not rock hard and color and temp tend to stay normal. The decreased outflow cause a higher than normal internal pressure, but in much safer ranges.

It seems that Aristocane, BG and Red Zulu (another site) use the rock hard approach, and some other guys here (sorry don’t remember the names off the top of my head…love ya anyway!)

So, this is a bit of an inquiry on my part, please let us know what approach you use and what kind of gains you have gotten in what period of time.

It seems that the rock hard approach would stretch the connective tissue out better, but is far riskier. I just wonder if the softer approach also works and in what time frame.

Perhaps the softer approach with pressure intensifiers (bends, squeezes,etc) will make up for the inherently less baseline pressure.

I’m gonna thank you all ahead of time for your contributions. I hope that this line of questioning can move our clamping science forward even a little bit.

Hi sparky, good question and something I have been pondering myself lately.

I think one technique works for some and not others like a lot of PE exercises.

I first started clamping in 2004 after no gains on the newbie routine.
I would get 100% erect and clamp off at the base, watching porn for my 15 minutes sets.
After 2 weeks of this (5 days a week) routine I started to get a stinging sensation on the top of my penis, foolishly I carried on for another week because of my inexperience I had no idea that I had damaged a vein.

It was hard, inelastic and had lumps along it’s length. I read up on this and realised it is what some call a Thrombosed vein, actually lots of little branches off of this superficial dorsal vein were also affected.

I knew i need to stop all PE but did not think to measure until 2 weeks after stopping all PE.

To my surprise I was still 5/16” bigger in girth along my entire shaft, I may have been even bigger if I had measured 2 weeks earlier.

It took 13 weeks for my veins to heal and I decided not to clamp again. The risks outweighed the gains for me. Of course I went back to my original girth.

2 1/2 years later I decided to take a much more gentle approach, getting plump, clamping, kegeling in more blood, tighten clamp and edge for the entire 10 minute set, 2 or 3 sets.
I would expand by 3/8” while clamped but when the clamp came off I lost that immediately.

After 4 weeks of that (5 weeks now) I had not gained even a 1/16”.

Yes I think Redzuzlu and Aristocane used to do the more hardcore technique, BG as far as I understand let his penis go soft but plump in the clamp and gained this way but was doing hours a day.

I think I fall between two stools here as I’m a big believer on moderate pressure, single clamping. I’m rock hard throughout my sessions though. I could crank the pressure up another click or two if I wanted with no pain per se, but I have no desire to. Moderate pressure combined with edging keeps me rock hard throughout. It’s all about finding a balance.

IMO adding squeezes and bends to a clamped penis is a risk I’d rather not take, reverse and regular kegels add any extra pressure I require.

From clamping alone I’ve gained 0.75” within 4-5 months of starting in July ‘05 and although I’m on a cementing regime at present I feel I could go for more in the future. :)


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From what I have read BG was an advocate of option 2. Am I reading wrong?

Originally Posted by Big Girtha
dangleman:

… You need to be erect to get a good engorgement, but once fully engorged and clamped off the erection can subside but the engorgement will not. I know it seems like it should, and you will feel less pressure but it doesn’t subside Measure it for yourself. Whether your dick is hard or not, the engorgement will continue to swell so that toward the end of the 10 minute set even though you are no longer hard the engorged upper shaft and glands will actually be fatter than they were while you were hard at the beginning of the set, much fatter. In my case almost 1/4” or as much as 1/2” thicker girth after the third set. This huge post session girth is false girth, swelling, actually. But it seems logical to me that even this false girth will eventually become permanent. So, unless you are doing the edging/ballooning /X-Ulis bit, there is no need to stay hard. Also it is a little easier to get through the 10 minutes if you erection does subside a little. Just make sure you have trapped a good engorgement before it does

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I do both and I agree with both. When I clamp and let my erection go, my dick still stays fat the whole ten minutes. I prefer to clamp with a hard erection and keep it until time is up. I get a great expansion with both,especially after three sets.

But it seems logical to me that even this false girth will eventually become permanent.BG


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I think I do both as well, the concentration level for 100% clamped is sometimes too much for me. I also combine with pumping. I have more of the theory that moderate clamping “softens” the tissues and allows for the pump or “maximum clamped” to work more effectively. For instance, I do not think that if you do 3 sets of 15 minutes, the first two sets do not necessarily need to be maximum, but you do have to push the limits to grow.

I have experienced the most noticeable gains near the head of my penis. If you look at Aristo’s pictures it looks more like a uniform tube/log. The thickness especially has increase. I would say about .5 in girth or a little more and 3/4” in length over the course of a year. The base expands more and I have increased more at the base, but I started with a “tree trunk” shape. It is more dramatic of a change at the head.

My experience was similar to Aristo and I think he had some valid points; too bad he kind of freaked out on us.

Originally Posted by bluenun
Hi sparky, good question and something I have been pondering myself lately.

I think one technique works for some and not others like a lot of PE exercises.

I first started clamping in 2004 after no gains on the newbie routine.
I would get 100% erect and clamp off at the base, watching porn for my 15 minutes sets.
After 2 weeks of this (5 days a week) routine I started to get a stinging sensation on the top of my penis, foolishly I carried on for another week because of my inexperience I had no idea that I had damaged a vein.

It was hard, inelastic and had lumps along it’s length. I read up on this and realised it is what some call a Thrombosed vein, actually lots of little branches off of this superficial dorsal vein were also affected.

I knew i need to stop all PE but did not think to measure until 2 weeks after stopping all PE.

To my surprise I was still 5/16” bigger in girth along my entire shaft, I may have been even bigger if I had measured 2 weeks earlier.

It took 13 weeks for my veins to heal and I decided not to clamp again. The risks outweighed the gains for me. Of course I went back to my original girth.

2 1/2 years later I decided to take a much more gentle approach, getting plump, clamping, kegeling in more blood, tighten clamp and edge for the entire 10 minute set, 2 or 3 sets.
I would expand by 3/8” while clamped but when the clamp came off I lost that immediately.

After 4 weeks of that (5 weeks now) I had not gained even a 1/16”.

Yes I think Redzuzlu and Aristocane used to do the more hardcore technique, BG as far as I understand let his penis go soft but plump in the clamp and gained this way but was doing hours a day.

I used to wonder why Redzulu thought it was such a big deal that he could finally clamp for 45 minutes straight…or he recommended 15 minutes every other day? Here at Thunders the beginners routine is like 15minutesX3 daily!

The difference is that if you clamp where you are “plumped up”, its no big deal to go an hour…but if you shut off outflow completely, you can inflate the penis to almost scary pressures…and then 15 minutes is a VERY significant time.

I am experimenting with heating up good and deep (IR) then clamping low pressure for a few minutes and finishing with the last 5 minutes at high pressure, then using frozen veggies bags (peas work great) to cool off my unit for about 1-2 minutes.

I then, unclamp to just begin to let outflow occur, which keeps it fairly inflated by softer…and try to leave it like that for about 30 minutes.

When I get that right, I have a very large flaccid for most of the day. Where I get into trouble is when I ignore the PIs and repeat it too soon or do it for too long. (I wrote the PIs primarily because I violate it way too often, and its a way of getting ME to do it right!)

I think its important to understand what the different types of clamping will or won’t do. Thats why I started this thread, I wonder if low pressure clamping will cause expansion or not.

At this point I suspect that low level clamping is great for ADC, but may not have sufficient force to EXPAND the tissues…but may be great at maintaining the expansion to help “cement” what gains you have produced with higher pressures.

Thats why I also asked about pressure intensifiers, like bends and squeezes. It may be that low level clamping won’t expand the tissue, but when you throw in the intensifiers with the low level clamping…it may be an effective combo. You start at moderate pressure baseline, ramp it up with intensifiers…then maintain the expansion with the moderate pressure baseline long enough to produce gains.

I’m hoping to kick these thoughts around on this thread and gain some insight.

The thing that makes me skeptical about doing intensifiers is that the pressure is limited by the clamp and when you do an intensifier the pressure isn’t going to get higher, it can only get lower. What I mean is that when you do an intensifer, it would increase pressure if there was zero blood coming in and out, however if any blood is going out, then doing an intensifier would only force more blood out — the pressure has a fixed maximum dictated by how tight the clamp is. So let’s say you did a squeeze. Well the second you release the squeeze, the pressure is your dick is actually lower than it was before doing the squeeze, but the max pressure was still fixed by the clamp — the squeeze just forced more blood out.

Intensifiers would obviously truly intensify if you were totally clamped off, but at partial clamp I don’t see how they could do any good over just clamping and then doing those exercises separately. Squeezing and bends work great, I just see no reason to do them at the same time as clamping. To me it would only make clamping more difficult to control and keep in the range of pressure that you find most effective for the period of time you want to clamp.

Originally Posted by drilla9
I think I fall between two stools here as I’m a big believer on moderate pressure, single clamping. I’m rock hard throughout my sessions though. I could crank the pressure up another click or two if I wanted with no pain per se, but I have no desire to. Moderate pressure combined with edging keeps me rock hard throughout. It’s all about finding a balance.

IMO adding squeezes and bends to a clamped penis is a risk I’d rather not take, reverse and regular kegels add any extra pressure I require.

From clamping alone I’ve gained 0.75” within 4-5 months of starting in July ‘05 and although I’m on a cementing regime at present I feel I could go for more in the future. :)

We probably need to work on some agreed upon terminology for different levels of pressure. I think thats part of the problem with clamping, we aren’t accurately discribing what we are doing to new comers.

You say you are rock hard, yet discribe it as moderate. In my mind, rock hard is high pressure. So of course, I would say bending or squeezing a rock hard penis is VERY risky.

However, if someone else thinks moderate means slightly soft penis, and doesn’t bend or squeeze, it MAY be that he won’t generate enough force to produce any expansion.

Thats why I like to reverse engineer PE…find those who have had good success…like yourself and then figure out what you did right, and how you know you are getting it right or wrong.

When I get the pressure just right for high pressure clamping (my term when rock hard) I find that I can kagel in some blood and get harder, without releasing the clamp…and it doesn’t “bleed” out. I consider that the perfect amount of compression for high pressure clamping.

If I were to go even 1 click tighter…I wouldn’t be able to kagel in any blood, one click looser…and the pressure starts to slowly bleed out.

The other thing I noticed, is that when I stop outflow, that when I kagel and push the clamp down…its STAYS put! If I am getting outflow, it will begin to slid up, the speed depending on the pressure bleed out.

I’m sure the mechanism is that the penis above the clamp (glans side) expands more than the penis on the below the clamp (balls side) forming a mechanical barrier to the clamp being pushed towards the glans.

So, what we should do is gather as much info from successful clampers, then see if we can standardize some of the terminology and land marks, so we can make it easier to reproduce a positive outcome.

Originally Posted by Iquana
From what I have read BG was an advocate of option 2. Am I reading wrong?

Link: Big Girtha - CLAMPING Everything You Ever Wanted To Know

It sounds like ALMOST complete shutoff of outflow, so either the pressure bleeds of slightly OR perhaps the tissue stretches slightly, resulting in some softening.

It puts me in mind of static stretchers , where the tissues starts out tight, but softens as it stretches.

Sparky,

I did fail to point out that I use a heating pad for both clamping and pumping.

Originally Posted by Lil J76
I do both and I agree with both. When I clamp and let my erection go, my dick still stays fat the whole ten minutes. I prefer to clamp with a hard erection and keep it until time is up. I get a great expansion with both,especially after three sets.

But it seems logical to me that even this false girth will eventually become permanent.BG

It may be that using some of the time to try and stretch the tunica, then the rest of the time, go to lower pressure merely to MAINTAIN the stretch you achieved with the initial higher pressure.

I think in the end, we will see that many approaches will work, I think that the more we clarify what we are doing and getting success, the more guys will be able to reproduce success for themselves.

For example, I think high pressure clamping MUST have some very strict guidelines to help prevent injuries to newbies…where the lower pressure guidelines need not be so stringent.

Originally Posted by all4show
I think I do both as well, the concentration level for 100% clamped is sometimes too much for me. I also combine with pumping. I have more of the theory that moderate clamping “softens” the tissues and allows for the pump or “maximum clamped” to work more effectively. For instance, I do not think that if you do 3 sets of 15 minutes, the first two sets do not necessarily need to be maximum, but you do have to push the limits to grow.

I have experienced the most noticeable gains near the head of my penis. If you look at Aristo’s pictures it looks more like a uniform tube/log. The thickness especially has increase. I would say about .5 in girth or a little more and 3/4” in length over the course of a year. The base expands more and I have increased more at the base, but I started with a “tree trunk” shape. It is more dramatic of a change at the head.

My experience was similar to Aristo and I think he had some valid points; too bad he kind of freaked out on us.

I tend to feel safer myself to use heat, then start with moderate pressure to “warm up” the tissue to prepare for the high pressure clamping. It may not have any protective effects, but it makes me feel safer when going up to high pressures.

I also tend to think it softens…then I “stretch” with high pressure, then “hold the stretch” with lower pressure for a longer period of time.

But really, I would rather learn from those that are seeing success than speculate…like I said, I like to “reverse engineer”…see what worked, then figure out what happened.


Last edited by sparkyx : 12-20-2006 at .

Originally Posted by vkn1
The thing that makes me skeptical about doing intensifiers is that the pressure is limited by the clamp and when you do an intensifier the pressure isn’t going to get higher, it can only get lower. What I mean is that when you do an intensifer, it would increase pressure if there was zero blood coming in and out, however if any blood is going out, then doing an intensifier would only force more blood out — the pressure has a fixed maximum dictated by how tight the clamp is. So let’s say you did a squeeze. Well the second you release the squeeze, the pressure is your dick is actually lower than it was before doing the squeeze, but the max pressure was still fixed by the clamp — the squeeze just forced more blood out.


True enough, you would just have to kagal more blood back in the reestablish your baseline pressure. So its like an internal surge of pressure….like a jelq, just a longer time frame.

Originally Posted by vkn1
Intensifiers would obviously truly intensify if you were totally clamped off, but at partial clamp I don’t see how they could do any good over just clamping and then doing those exercises separately. Squeezing and bends work great, I just see no reason to do them at the same time as clamping. To me it would only make clamping more difficult to control and keep in the range of pressure that you find most effective for the period of time you want to clamp.

At this point, I’m not making recommendations…merely trying to find why what has worked…works. After getting all the info we can, then I can try and make some conclusions and recommendations.

As with all PE methods…lots of things CAN work, I am just trying to figure out what works and why.

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