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It’s one of those double edged sword thingymabobs. The inflammation stage will help ensure a supply of fibrins and ‘stuff’, but too much could reduce the internal pressure and restrict any blood transported nutrients. Aside from that is the risk of deposition of fibrins being forced around collagen bundles and inbetween the sheaths, which could cause adhesions. The 2nd (proliferation) stage I believe becomes the main activity only after a couple of days to a week, and remodelling (3rd stage) after about 3 weeks (depending on injury extent of course). Ground substance and type III collagen produced at stage 2 is replaced with the tougher and more dense type I collagen in the 3rd stage. These stages would overlap I imagine.

If the above hold true for PE injuries too (and I can’t see why they would be any different), then I guess the best thing to do would be not to exercise too often for a given intensity, and also massage it frequently after the exercise and give it a couple of days rest, then begin again before the 3rd stage gets a hold. That way you don’t get in a viscious cycle of inflammation. I’m not sure it would make for fast progress, but I’d expect healthier tissues that way.

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
I’m sure there’s a lot more going on than simply “breaking down” and “building up.” For example, the healing process proceeds in stages; inflammation is just the first part. I recently read (I’m sorry I don’t have the site—I really want to pull all this together some day) that it takes about 6 weeks or more to fully recover from a sprain. Although PE’ing may not cause the level of damage of a sprain, it’s probably safe to say that one heals over the course of days (at least), rather than hours.

Although the theory may not be perfectly correct, there’s still a chance it is approximately correct and may improve the results for some hard gainers. I have no doubt that the theory grossly overgeneralizes. It may be completely bogus—who knows? Without an actual scientific study, we may never know whether it has any merit.

That’s the problem with all these PE theories; they’re never tested. It would be interesting to try an experiment among the readers of this thread. Half would try double sessions with regular doses of Ibuprofen. The other half would proceed with daily single sessions. We could then compare the results for the two groups properly using statistics.

Anybody want to volunteer?

PS. I’m not calling this theory “my” theory for a couple of reasons. First, others have probably thought of it before. Second, I don’t want to get too committed to any one way of thinking. It’s important to stay flexible—especially when there are so many unknowns.


Lol. I like the way you think, and I read all your theorems and idea’s.

I’m a low brow, and just look at it more simply as, some “unit’s” are tougher to grow/elongate than others, and I fall in that category. As Walter Cronkite used to say “That’s the way it is”. :)

Shiver, if you were trying to impress me, you had me at “thingymybob” :)


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Modesto,

I agree that the only way to possibly validate any of these theoies is with controlled experiments, but it would need to be altered a bit from your description. In order to have a chance though, the goup taking ibuprofin would need to work out the same number of sessions as the other group or this would most likely be a confounding variable. It could simply be the extra workout causing the gains and not the anti-inflammaory.

Shiver,

I don’t get it. What’s your opinion on the anti-inflammatory idea?


One foot down...one to go

I have been thinking of a 12-month sschedule something like this. 4 months off-2 months on x2 = 12 months.

After I complete my current 10-week break, I will determine if this amount of time is sufficient for deconditioning. In the past year, my longest break was only 5 weeks, and this seemed a bit short in terms of subjective penis strength. If the above is able to get one’s penis close to “newbie” status, then I could hope to gain 1/4 inch each cycle for .5 inches a year. The best thing, though, is that 8 months of the year would be without PE. I would still visit the forum and chat of course, but the obsession could be alleviated possibly. All I’m saying is that if 12 months of constant work yielded 1/4 inch, and 4 months of work yielded 1/2 inch, I would opt for the later. Or who knows, I might not gain shit either way.


One foot down...one to go

For a completely different theory and perspective, check out this post at Shiver’s recent thread here:

ModestoMan - For Science minded PE’ers

I think I want to study this stuff some more before I suggest any experiments.

Originally Posted by Tomba
Rushmore:

There are people in this forum that have problems gaining and based upon my “limited” experience I would say they do the most ludicrous of things. One guy runs around all day with golf weights on his penis and thinks he’s gaining. He has an intriguing question though that requires some deep thought, “does anyone experience pinching or discomfort with these rings?”

Well, yes, when you have a stack of washers in your pants you might have one of them reach up and bite you from time to time. It’s this kind of ignorance that results in all the frustration. Instead of eating everything at the buffet, stick to the meat & potatoes and you might see some results.

Anyway I am going to Golf Galaxy and get some experience with a stack of rings, after a few months I will let you know how it works out.

Tomba,

I don’t especially care for your tone because it sounds critical. Congratulations on your two inch gain, but please don’t criticize others not as fortunate as yourself for their efforts. For your information, golf weights (swing rings) can be very beneficial for PE. Number one - their use keeps the penile arteries in the extended state which helps promote better erections (you of all people should be able to understand this principle). Number two - their use helps promote skin tissue growth for those of us that were over-circumcised at birth.

By the way, do you have any before and after photos? I would be interested in seeing exactly what a two inch gain looks like.

r0ad_h0gg

road,

Theory. Not principle. Only a couple of guys are reporting this so far, you and Tomba, and I really have my doubts that there are going to be a lot of others. I could be wrong though, and this theory may appear in others’ posts.


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Originally Posted by ThunderSS
road,

Theory. Not principle. Only a couple of guys are reporting this so far, you and Tomba, and I really have my doubts that there are going to be a lot of others. I could be wrong though, and this theory may appear in others’ posts.

Thunder,

Were you referring to the Science minded PE’ers thread where I wrote “The theory is to increase erectile ability so that you can expand your penis out naturally with extraordinary erections. If you prefer, maybe some weight hanging would be beneficial in combination with the use of a stretcher.”? r0ad_h0gg - For Science minded PE’ers

Here’s something AlexW said about gold weights “First of all, I would like to mention that I have never hung anything off of my penis before. Last month however, I began to use golf weights for hanging purposes. Well, I noticed that after hanging with the golf weights, I get this raging hard on of my life. lt usually lasts up to twenty minutes. What in the hell is going on? In my teenage years Ive never had an these kind of erections. My penis feels like a steel rod since I began the weights and at times it is not that comfortable. I also have noticed that my girth is becoming insane with the weights, my girth is now around 6.4 inches. Up from 6 inches. So does hanging effect erection quality too? if so im going to have to buy a bib from one of you guys.” Golf weights and me!

In my case, an actual penis stretcher gave much better results than golf weights, but the golf weights do work - just not as good. I’m not trying to be smart, but does the theory that better erections encourage penile growth really seem that hard to believe?

r0ad_h0gg

r0ad,

I mentioned in another thread that when I am able to get a really good manual stretching session, one in which I actually feel the base being stretched, I sometimes have extraordinary wood. Almost as if the act of breaking down the fibers of the tunica results in a “super wood” as I have called it. Maybe this is a way of the body repairing the damage caused by the microtears. Does this fit in with the same concept as the golf weights etc.?

Edit: Oh here it is The Super Boner


One foot down...one to go

It never fails, if you are highly critical of some technique there will be an equal and opposite opinion supporting it (this is the PE paradox). So, as I see it the plethora of information about routines and techniques in this forum; there is not one methodology that is wrong, everybody is right because no one knows what their doing so as long as your doing something your doing something right.

Well, I am here to tell you that your wrong. Just as there is one way to get your teeth straight (you put on the hardware and crank’em down and the teeth move), in PE you grab your penis and crank down and you hang. You can do a hundred different things to invigorate the penis in terms of circulatory action but there are only two things that promote growth: 1) Excessive pressure for expansion, 2) Excessive weight for elongation. Thats it, to do anything more is to reinvent the wheel. Golf weights (this is so ridiculous it hardly merits discussion), I just hope you guys wear them when you play golf so that you maximize the return on your investment.

Now, the PE paradox kicks in, someone tell me how they completely overhauled their penis as a result of a ritual of ring toss with these miracle weights.

Sorry Tomba, I haven’t got a clue.


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Originally Posted by Tomba
You can do a hundred different things to invigorate the penis in terms of circulatory action but there are only two things that promote growth: 1) Excessive pressure for expansion, 2) Excessive weight for elongation. Thats it, to do anything more is to reinvent the wheel. Golf weights (this is so ridiculous it hardly merits discussion), I just hope you guys wear them when you play golf so that you maximize the return on your investment.

Now, the PE paradox kicks in, someone tell me how they completely overhauled their penis as a result of a ritual of ring toss with these miracle weights.

Tomba,

It seems as if you have contradicted yourself between the above quote and this quote below from another thread - Tomba - For Science minded PE’ers

Originally Posted by Tomba
The reason gains begin to slow down is a result of the difficulty affecting other anatomy; namely, the blood supplying system to the penis. Bigger pipes will result in a bigger boner, it’s that simple. It is a slow process to increase the diameter of your veins and arteries. Since it would be uncomfortable to hook-up a pressure hose to your willy you have to do the exercises necessary to increase the volume of blood to the penis. Most people when they start this game have a smooth lilly white penis with little martini straws under their skin, you have to replace that wimp-ass system with high capacity pipes.

So, instead of doing the worthless exercises, do the ones that promote the expansion of your arteries and veins to maximize your potential. Expanded pipes will big up your trout and add length. It’s all about the blood.

In the bottom quote, you mention how better circulation leads to a larger erection, but in the top quote you are basically scoffing at improved circulation.

r0ad_h0gg

Circulation is a relative term, you need good circulation for overall health of the penis. You need to rebuild your vascular highways of the penis to ride that hog down the road.

I have been a hard gainer for a long time. I have tried these breaks mentioned and did not see any benefit. Method is the key. There are methods and understanding to those methods to which can break the cycle. I am focused on length so here are some concepts that help me.

1. Heat - Tissues are more malleable when heated.
2. Fatigue - Really tough concept understand. Seek for tingling in tissues that is almost electrical feeling.
3. Conquer and Divide - Use angles to bring fatigue to select tissues. Also combats adaptive tissues.
4. Consistancy - I follow the Bib idealology - Every day Hanging, tissue will revert back to natural state with rest.
5. Intensity - Regulate weight just enough to result in fatigue.

In tune with other idealology that may seem strange to some: envision success, see your goal in your mind. Not just once, daily and believe it.


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