A couple of articles that are sceptical towards P.E

I know Dr. Tom Lue. He performed an ultra-sound on me. He was the first doctor to tell me that I have (which I had long suspected) a venous leakage.

Before he injected me with an erection drug, he could tell I was nervous, I asked him how big the needle was.

He smiled and told me that “well for big penis we have big needle, for small penis we have small needle. Which do you want?”

I was in no mind frame to laugh at that, I could barely breathe.

He was a nice guy though.

The truth is: urology has failed to help me at all in the last 2.6 years that I’ve had this problem.
I have to turn somewhere, and if they speak ill of PE, it doesn’t matter very much, because they couldn’t help me.

Dr. Lue told me that nothing could be done for me, but that I should try to be strong, and patient, and that in 5 years or so stem cells may come to my rescue.

being impotent from the age of 21 to 28 does not fall in the category of patience or strength.

My PE quest begins in 6 weeks.

If it helps me, then I’ll let Dr. Lue know about it, and all my other doctors as well. Though truth be told they’ll probably shrug me off. Not that their bad people, just that, anecdotal seems to be worth about zero to doctors.

Soo true. It’s not that I’m selfish or anything but think of it this way, if half the world population of men know about PE, the average size of dick would increase thus increasing the expectancy rate of women. THink the aerage dick is about 5.5-6 EL by say 5 EG after say 5+ years with half the worlds men doin it wouldn’t the new average be somewhere about 7-7.75” by 6-6.5?

Just my 2 cents

aom

I find that a lot of the health and exercise gold nuggets I find are 10-20 years ahead of mainstream medicine. I’ve been around long enough to find some little gem I found and have been using for years suddenly becomes front page news 20 years later.

A little example is that health food community has for over 20 years been screaming about trans fats…which only in the past few years has hit the mainstream. Dr Barry Sears PhD. came out with the Zone diet about 11 years ago and he was torn to shred by the “experts” about his stressing the stabilizing of insulin by monitoring glycemic index and load…only to have the mainstream except the principle years later.

The problem with science, as well as its strength is experimentation. If you ask the right question, you can get the right answer…however, what if you don’t ask the right question (like does vitamin C help prevent heart disease, but the experiment uses a dose far lower than is effective?) or worse yet…never even conducts a experiment at all?

In order for science to be able to meaningful opinion on PE, it must be investigated. Even then, when its investigated, what if the perimeters are incorrect…it happens all the time. Tons of flawed and invalid studies go on all the time.

As a Chiropractor, who has been practicing for years, I have seen all kinds of studies that prove and disprove Chiropractic. As a expert on the subject, I can tell you that if you aren’t getting the vertebra that is the problem…you won’t get any improvement. I can also tell you that it takes quit a bit of skill to FIND the dysfunctional vertebra. So, if you aren’t treating the correct vertebra, you won’t see any improvement, and you can conclude the treatment is ineffective.

I can’t tell you how many people have come to me and told me that Chiropractic didn’t help their problem…only to get rapid improvement under my care. Why? Because the previous Chiropractor wasn’t adjusting the correct bone.

So, really,when it comes to PE, I think WE are the experts. We have YEARS of cumulative experimental time just here at Thunders. The problem is very few here are scientifically trained, so many mistakes are made. But over all, we have guys that are accurate in their objective observations, and have made valid reports of objective findings. PE CAN WORK!!! The is no doubt of that in my mind. Is it easy or guaranteed? Hell no. Well actually for some it has been easy, of others…seemingly impossible.

Personally, because of my background as a Chiropractor, I have learned to think for myself, perform the investigation personally (where possible) and make my own judgements. I do not give my mind over to the “experts”….because I have seen over the years…over and over again where the experts have asked the wrong question, come to incorrect conclusions, only to reverse that conclusion years later when the proper question is finally asked.

For me, it doesn’t seem possible that any soft tissue of the body WOULDN’T respond to appropriate stress. Every other tissue of the body does…so how is it that the penis WON’T? Well it can, and it does…but really for most its a very small window of opportunity, that once found will result in changes in size and improved function.

Doctors will believe it when we prove it to them? How? No proof will be accepted except experiments done by acceptable organizations in an acceptable way…and rightly so.

Are these studies going to happen? I doubt it. It takes millions to do most of these studies, and it has to be funded. Funding usually comes from Pharmaceutical companies, where they have a potential to make profit off of the findings…that’s just how it works.

So, where is the profit in teaching guys how to lengthen their dicks themselves? There isn’t or very little (eh Thunder?).

So, bottom line, if you’re waiting for mainstream acceptance…forget it. I happen to be one of those people that don’t need the “experts” to give me the OK on anything…if I had been, I’d wouldn’t be practicing the profession I am and I wouldn’t be as strong or healthy as I am now either…or have as big a dick! :)

I don’t know spark, the scammers seem to be doing all right.

Always do…for a while. Ill gotten gains always come to no good…guaranteed!

Hey man, you may not be making any money here…but we love ya! :)

That and a five dollar bill will get me a cup of coffee. :)

Isn’t anybody going to answer to the significant points the article made?

“”Smooth muscle doesn’t respond that way,” Lue says. In fact, stretching it can be harmful. For example, the bladder is smooth muscle. According to Lue, if you hold in urine so that the bladder expands too much, the tissue weakens. What’s more, Lue says, all the stretching, pulling, and squeezing might cause scar tissue to form in the penis, which could hinder a man’s ability to get an erection.”

“Another nonsurgical method to lengthen the penis is by employing devices (or one’s own hands) that pull at the glans of the penis for extended periods of time. This is known as traction; where tissues under continuous tension will undergo stretching. If the applied tension is too large injury to the tissues or nerves of the penis can result. This is not recommended because it can forcibly tear off the vessels and other neurogical nerves thereby reducing the erectile functions of the penis. “
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I must admit I’m a sensible person and I am going dizzy just by reading this excerpts.What’s worrying me is that I have experienced skin irritation and a few days when my erections were not as strong.

And countless others have noticed gains disappear after breaks.Could jelqing gains be caused by bleeding under the skin?

If jelqing is causing bleeding under the skin, this would be bad for penis health and I guess it would be also very bad for erection quality. At least for me, jelqing cause me longer erections, more powerful erection and I can last longer. So I don’t think that jelqing is causing bleeding under the skin, if so, I guess all persons who are doing jelqing would not get any erection after doing the newbie routine for 1 week. Bleeding is always bad, even if it’s under the skin. Your penis would shrink immediately and you would have a loss of erection.
This is my view, may be I’m wrong, but I don’t think you get inner bleeding from jelqing.
Once when I came to this forum, the longest regime where I was jelqing was 3 month and a half. If jelqing would causing inner bleeding, my penis would be not function anymore if the doctor is right with his thesis.

I would say that the doctor is right here. Hanging for example can cause nerve damage. Same as heavy manual stretching. With stretching, I guess when you are able to get an erection after each work out, you should be in a safe harbour. This just my view.

The gains I made are still there even after my more than 1 year break. My rock hard erections disappeared. I was still able to last very long, but my erections where no as hard when I was doing PE. I don’t know why, may be my erections went to a normal pre PE level again.

From the second article posted, in the section on jelking:

So there you go. Scientific evidence.

Urologist are jealous, PE does what they can not do very effectively increase penis size, improve erection power and deliver a great cum load.

They go to college of quackery and sit back collect millions for fucking up millions of lives pushing drugs for pharmaceutical companies that make drugs that cause ED.

Does everyone see a complete loss of gains, even after PEing for a year or more?

No. The gains have been permanent for me (so far, at least).