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This is a great thread. I hope that Tom comes back and shares more info with us. Take a look at the chart that he posted on post #32 of this thread.

Here’s some information that in my opinion show’s scientific support for an ultra light and brief routine like Tom is doing. Shiver also did such a short routine successfully.

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1. Studies on the cyclic loading of tissues suggest that most deformation occurs in the first stretch, and after four stretches there is little change in ultimate length. Therefore there is no extra benefit from stretching a muscle 10 times in one session.

2. It takes 12-18 seconds to reach stress relaxation, so there is no need to hold a stretch for longer than 20 seconds.

3. Greater peak tensions and more energy are absorbed the faster the rate of stretch. This means that a tissue will generate greater tension if the rate of stretch is faster and therefore not achieve the same length as a tissue undergoing a slow stretch. That is, do passive stretches SLOWLY.

4. Once elongated, length changes are not rapidly reversible due to the viscous nature of the tissue. However, deformations are not permanent because the elastic properties will eventually bring the tissue back to its original length. Lasting changes come from adaptive remodelling of the connective tissues, not mechanical deformation. One study in South Africa showed that stretching every four hours was the most effective way to achieve elongation in a muscle. This may suggest that the temporary change in length following a stretch may start to regress after four hours (Grace Hughes, unpublished study).


http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/fle…ng-flexible-332

I would like to look further into ultra-light routines such as these.


Struggling with a peyronies injury during sex and loss of size after having been into PE.


Last edited by Kojack10 : 09-19-2010 at . Reason: spacing correction

Originally Posted by Kojack10
This is a great thread. I hope that Tom comes back and shares more info with us. Take a look at the chart that he posted on post #32 of this thread.

Here’s some information that in my opinion show’s scientific support for an ultra light and brief routine like Tom is doing. Shiver also did such a short routine successfully.

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/fle…ng-flexible-332

I would like to look further into ultra-light routines such as these.

I remember reading a study, quoted somewhere here in one of the forums, which stated something like holding the stretch for a minimum of one minute is crucial for connective tissure elongation. I guess thats an issue needing more research.


Now: NBPEL = 6.4 MSEG = 5.3 BEG = 5.75

Goals: NBPEL = 7.0 MSEG = 6.0

Sources can be cited to support various target times for stretches. I’ve seen information backing 20 minutes, 3 minutes, 2 minutes, and certainly 30 seconds. I believe that the success of the 30 second target time for stretches in PE speaks for itself. Also, there is substantial information backing up the effectiveness of the 30 second stretch for increasing flexibility in connective tissues and muscles.

Even though the information that I posted says that 20 seconds is sufficient, I still think that the 30 second target stretch time is the best happy medium.


Struggling with a peyronies injury during sex and loss of size after having been into PE.

I hear you, but increasing flexibility and elongation might be complete diffreent animals.


Now: NBPEL = 6.4 MSEG = 5.3 BEG = 5.75

Goals: NBPEL = 7.0 MSEG = 6.0

Originally Posted by Kojack10
Sources can be cited to support various target times for stretches. I’ve seen information backing 20 minutes, 3 minutes, 2 minutes, and certainly 30 seconds. I believe that the success of the 30 second target time for stretches in PE speaks for itself. Also, there is substantial information backing up the effectiveness of the 30 second stretch for increasing flexibility in connective tissues and muscles.Even though the information that I posted says that 20 seconds is sufficient, I still think that the 30 second target stretch time is the best happy medium.

The 30 second stretch time line (for any one stretch set) has been my target also. If I count just the actual daily total amount of time my dong is stretched, it would be somewhere between 5-10 minutes in total/day and not even every day. And my intensity (tension) hasn’t been particularly high. I did up my frequency and use 2 day on, one day off routine, recently. It’s the best way I can avoid that flaccid toughness/contraction that I get, if I over-do it.

And I’ve gained some length in ~ 5 months of using this type of abbreviated routine for the most part. I’ve done little to no jelqing. I had good EQ before I started, so gains are not likely due to change in EQ. Maybe it does only take ~ 5 minutes/day total stretching time to gain. Who knows. Maybe people are upping the volume/duration and/or tension/force too much and short-circuit long-term gains. It’s happened to me with muscle/strength gains. Not sure if the two processes can be compared though.


Starting Size: April, 28, 2010: NBPEL-7" Girth-6" (base, MSG, glans)

Currently: BPEL-8" NBPEL-7.25" Girth-6.25" (base)/6.125" (MSG)/6.125" (glans)

I’m wondering about frequency when doing a minimalist routine. Drabbuhmot (Tom) has been stretching daily, from what I can tell. Shiver tried doing the minimalist routine every day, and then switched to doing it every third day, depending on the bpfsl that he pulled on that third day.

Steelfire did a minimalist stretching routine, if I remember correctly, but I don’t remember anything else about what he did. Then bohm, I noticed on one of your threads that you were doing a minimalist routine.


Struggling with a peyronies injury during sex and loss of size after having been into PE.

Originally Posted by Kojack10
I’m wondering about frequency when doing a minimalist routine

One of the problems with doing an abbreviated/minimalist routine is the urge you sometimes get to want to do more (particularly with respect to increasing frequency) due to convenience and the little time commitment required. While I have convinced myself that my volume (number of sets) is fine, the 1 day on-1 day off or 2 day on-1 day off frequency is sometimes hard to stick to, since it’s so friggin easy. But I try to resist the temptation to up the frequency, partly because I really want to know what the minimum amount of exercise and frequency is for me and partly because there isn’t much evidence that a more frequent routine is any more effective, I think, especially for long-term gains.


Starting Size: April, 28, 2010: NBPEL-7" Girth-6" (base, MSG, glans)

Currently: BPEL-8" NBPEL-7.25" Girth-6.25" (base)/6.125" (MSG)/6.125" (glans)

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…it used to be a “secret” …. A boy would say “I think my penis is small…” and the good friend’s advice would be “Then why don’t you pull it out?” … This had results and I hadn’t heard of anyone dissapointed….

My concern is that all gains are really just about that— pulling out the inner penis. I’m concerned that that’s why gains eventually stop, because all that can be pulled out and made to stay out has been.

I’ve mainly hung and used ADS (penimaster). Lately I’ve been clamping and pumping but I’ve not really seen any additional length gains even after a huge decon break. With hanging I always seemed to get a burst of growth when I resumed hanging again but that hasn’t occurred since I hung the crap out of my dick to “cement” and make absolutely sure there were no more gains to be had.

Jelqing, hanging, ads, manual stretches, pumping. They all pull on the penis and results always slow to an eventually stop at around the additional length that the pulling out of the internal part of the penis might yield. Comparing how much easier it must be to pull out the inner penis than it is to stimulate new cell growth can’t we assume that the hand over point (from inner penis, to cell creation) is the point at which the length gains actually stop?

When I’ve pumped consistently and at higher pressures, after cementing and getting all the gains I could from hanging, I started getting the sensation that my eurethra and my ass were getting pulled into the tube.

I’ve never jelqued. I’ve tried it a few times but not actually ever created or stuck to a solid jelquing routine. Surely if I begin a dedicated jelquing routine now, having made my hanging and ADS length gains I should be able to gain something similar to jelquing newbie gains? I’m seriously really beginning to belive it’s just all about pulling the inner penis out.


Previously known as Mr. Fantastic

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Size Myths in the Porn Industry


Last edited by Mr. F : 09-21-2010 at .

Originally Posted by Mr. F
When I’ve pumped consistently and at higher pressures, after cementing and getting all the gains I could from hanging, I started getting the sensation that my eurethra and my ass were getting pulled into the tube.

Apologies, the above should have read “I started getting the sensation that my epididymis and my ass were getting pulled into the tube”.

I think what we used to think of as lig gains my very well have been more to do with the pulling out of the inner penis and its affect on the angle of the erection.


Previously known as Mr. Fantastic

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Size Myths in the Porn Industry

Originally Posted by bohm

But I try to resist the temptation to up the frequency, partly because I really want to know what the minimum amount of exercise and frequency is for me and partly because there isn’t much evidence that a more frequent routine is any more effective, I think, especially for long-term gains.

Excellent statement! I feel the urge to keep gathering information from members regarding frequency with minimalist routines, but I also realize that I should start testing things myself. Actually, I’m on week #2 of a routine right now.


Struggling with a peyronies injury during sex and loss of size after having been into PE.

Another part of my experiment in the beginning was visualization, but after a while I got tired of that ;-)

Interesting comments and observations; also interesting to hear that others have done similar experiments (links?).

Inspired by the comments above, I decided to do incremental measuring. After 30 seconds, I saw some change, at 2 minutes I was at the same bpfsl I would see 3 minutes later.

I like the idea of 30 seconds of stretching every time you pee (remember to drink plenty of water =P).

Basic question: how much before and after length do you see (after any kind of session)?

Are you suggesting no girth work is to be performed during this stretch experiment?


"Look what your brother did to the door!"

I’ll see if I can find the posts from Shiver and others and link them to one post on here.


Struggling with a peyronies injury during sex and loss of size after having been into PE.


Last edited by Kojack10 : 09-23-2010 at . Reason: incorrect comma usage

Originally Posted by Leatherface
Are you suggesting no girth work is to be performed during this stretch experiment?

Nah - sorry if I’m hopelessly old school, but I don’t know what ‘girth work’ is, having gained both length and girth, hanging (by current standards) a small amount of weight.

Originally Posted by Kojack10
I’ll see if I can find the posts from Shiver and others and link them to one post on here.

Please do - I perversely relish the experience of feeling redundant in this field. I turn my obsession to other areas of focus =P

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