The Chemical PE Thread

The Patient states 4 or 5 times a week, not 3 or 4, Also 3 to 6 hours. But I do understand your fears!

Example 1 A male patient, age 41, was treated with intracavernosal injections of a vasodilator, prostaglandin El, on a regular basis (approximately four to five times per week) over an 18 month treatment period. A sufficient quantity was administered to maintain a prolonged engorgement of an erectile response between 40-75% over a period of several hours, generally 3 to 6 hours. The quantity of medication was adjusted from time to time in accordance with the patient’s response, which was monitored at least weekly.
The size of the patient’s fully erect penis increased from 5.8 inches to 8.6 inches in length (about an 48% increase) and 3.7 inches to 5.8 inches in girth (about an 56% increase) over the 18-month treatment period. Following the discontinuation of this treatment, the erect penis length remained stable for two years at over 8 1/2 inches. Treatment was re- institued combining intracavemosal injections 3-4 times per week of a mixture of testosterone (0.5 mg) and vasodilators with low dose oral Potaba (500-1000 mg) 3-4 times per day. After a short treatment period of 2 1/2 months, the patient’s erect penis was over 9 inches in length, which means he has gained an additional 0.4-0. 5 inches in length (about an 6% increase). The total increase in length was therefore about 3.2 inches (about an 55% increase) in length.

Hi Inuic, not sure if you’re still around. Sent you a couple of PMs, thanks.

You can put pretty much anything you want in a patent as long as you pay the fee and it doesn’t infringe. It being in a patent does not necessarily mean there is a smidgin of truth to it.

That’s why the real proof is in the pudding… You have to try to find out… I have and have found it to actually work. But I do think DNA is a limiting factor so to speak, but never the less I think many of the principles involved in the patent to be sound. Especially when you follow the trails around… And actually do the process.

Inuic

P.S. I will get to the PMs soon…

Inuic

Right on Inuic. Could not agree more.
Another thing is that man would have never come out of the caves
If they all was as afraid as most in this forum!

It seems like if a safe effective way to increase penis size were available, it’d be widely reported. I’m not saying I know one way or another. Just seems like a big deal if true.

Are there any topical applications that could replicate that sort of vasodialation?

Greetings all, this may take a minute to catch up.. Sorry in advance

I’ve been on and off in thunders since 2002 or 2003 can’t remember, lost my old login info and couldn’t remember which email I used but my name was very similar to this one. Anyway I’ve been lurking and learning since then. BUT it wasn’t until just recently that I considered chempe. I’ve started may 2nd of this year with my first round of PRP injections. I live in San Diego so going across the boarder to see Dr. Casavantas *sp wasn’t hard at all and at the cost compared to what’s in the states is far less just $360. I actually gain 1/4 inch in girth that to date has remained no length added at all not even temporally. I did find a pshot provider in San Diego that was only $600 and I had the procedure with them at the beginning of June. Comparing the 2 procedures was like night and day. Based on all the research I’ve done before hand I could tell the one in SD wasn’t doing it properly. I contacted the people who handle training for pshot providers and they verified that the nurse had done the training for the oshot but not the pshot .they were not happy. I went back a month later to the same nurse and asked if she could reo it since I had seen no results other that smoother skin and I asked if she could follow my advice on a different method. Surprisingly she agreed and gave it an other go, sadly she didn’t really listen to my advice and basically did the same thing over again. In then spent a month preping my unit with DMSO and PABA and iodine from time to time. Starting in the beginning of August I got my trimix injection script, just told them I didn’t like the side effects of Viagra (which I didn’t need in the first place but had to build a back story before hand)

So first injections were only getting me semi hard and for no more than 30 mins @ 1/4 units at a time. Then I slowly day by day moved up one graduation line day by day until one day I though “hell I’ll just do what the script day babe put a 1/2 mil in there.6 hours later I was in the e.r. Waiting in the room to get treated. It was the right thing to do since I didn’t know if it would go down or not but at the 6 hour 5 min mark it went down on its own. No treatment needed but I still get the hefty e.r. Bill.. Lessen learned. So ok back to the the lab to see what it takes and also now have the behind the counter sudafed just in case. Long story short my magic number is 1 unit or .10mil with this I get at a 3-4 hour %100 erection and a cool down time erection of 1-2 hour at about %60-80 then it goes away all together. Still doing dmso and paba although now it’s every other day. I just went and had an other prp done in TJ again with same doc down there on Thursday. I’ve been injecting every day with the 4-6 hour average (once I got it down) for 3 weeks on then one week off and now I’m back on again. I own every tool in the P.E. Industry bag my biggest problem has always been consistency after about a few months too many things getting away and as bib once said one day can turn into the two days and then a week 2 weeks and so on. This seems different its something that I can work around and doesn’t require a lot of extra strenuous efforts and what not. I’ve also as of this Thursday after my last PRP have began pumping with my hydromax. 10 mins a day for now as I build up to 20 mins a day. My routine will be as follows.

Morning shower for warm up and do Manuel stretches for 5 mins then use the phallosan and go to work. When I get home I immediately perform trimix injection and at the 2-3 hour mark apply the dmso paba mix and let it set for 30 mins or so then shower again to rinse off the mix and begin to use the pump then I use a wrap to keep me in an elongated state for the rest of the night until I start again in the morning. The Only Exception from this is when I’m having sex with my wife which is typically a night time at which point I rinse off and reapply the wrap.

Where I need the most help is guidance on if I should in fact be doing this every single day with no rest or should I keep the 3 weeks on one week off or should I do 5 days a week with weekends off. I’m flooding my body with amino acids different supplements and what not to expedite healing as fast as possible, I’ve also ordered and will be receiving next week DHT cream to add to the regiment not sure if it will be used long-term or not since the reviews and opinions of most on the matter is not worth it, I do not know what the recovery time is for the cavernosum which is why I want to try and apply accelerants for healing like BP-157 sp* and other similar peptides.

As far as stats go my original stats back in 2002 when I first began my journey into this was 5 x 5
As of right now when I am hard bone pressed and having excellent EQ I am 6.5 in length and 5.5 in girth. I’m actually quite happy with those dimensions my problem is I have a one and a half inch fat pad despite my lean physique. This experiment will be going on for a minimum of six months to one year at which point if no substantial growth has occurred I will quit all PE habits except some possibly to ensure size by maintenance exercises. Also at that point I will be strongly considering using fat dissolving injectables into the fat pad and or ultrasonic and a last resort laser liposuction.

I’m sorry for the long read thank you very much for your patience. I look forward to helpful advice and guidance especially from those with experience. If You want to know the list of all the supplements I’m taking just ask and I will put them up in the next post.

Hey Brother,

Welcome back and from the routine that I was under, you need to apply a constant stretch throughout the day to pre-fatigue the collagen fibres. So if you can, back off from the pumping and swap that out for 5 min pee breaks at work? Thats what I did, every 3 hours I would manually stretch for 3-4 minutes. When I go check up with Dr. Adams, he would randomly pinch my shaft up and down to see if there is any plaque build up so get use to doing that yourself to early detect those potential plaque.

Now, from another user who experienced quite amount of results, he advise me to work up to 20 - 45 minutes just purely jelqing to really fatigue the penis and then apply the injection to keep the penis in a fatigue engorged state.

I really wanted to keep at this routine for at least 1 year but the cost was too much and I experienced the early stage of plaque build up. Anyways, good luck

Hey guys Inuic here. I am looking into some interesting ideas at the bottom of Chem PE. Its a long story but I will try to sum it up. Its known the penis size and growth can be impacted by exposer to estrogens. In fact they have shown that exposer in the womb can impact penis and testicle size. Its also known that its estrogens that signal the bones to close the growth plates as well as its estrogens that are released when the gonads reach maturity that stop the penis from growing by the down regulation of androgen receptors. So to find the holy grail of Chem PE we want to simulate the phases of growth that exist in puberty. So what makes the difference, in puberty the conversion of testosterone to estrogen isn’t going on in a significant way yet, which is why the growth plates are still open and the testicles are still growing as well as the penis due to upregulated androgen receptors. When their is no exposure to the early estrogen conversion we grow, when are testicles mature conversion of T to E begins and it signals growth stoppage of the bones, testicles and penis.

So it would seem during puberty is the optimal time to find ways to upregulate androgen receptors naturally, but once the testicles mature its a different story. Its via the use of 5 alpha reductase inhibitors, like “Finasteride” & “Dutosteride”. There is a lot of theory and methods to how this works, but the nutshell version is it stops the conversion of T to DHT, and in the process down regulation of Androgen receptors occurs. You do this in cycles 3 months PE work a month on the inhibitor, after that month you stop the inhibitor and you get an up regulation of Androgen receptors. Its during this phase that DHT gets hyper soaked up, and the reports are is a major boon for GIRTH work.

No I wonder if we took this one step further to more completely emulate the state of penis growth found during puberty. How you say, by blocking the conversion of T to E after you re-introduce DHT after inhibitor cessation. fadrozole (100 nM), is an aromatase inhibitor of the T/estrogen conversion. This is known to aid in the up regulation of Androgen Receptors, as well as PDGF!. So I think simulation of natural growth involves deploying DHT they way to was in puberty, but you cant as an adult because your testicles matured and hence your Androgen receptors down regulated. But you can simulate and kick start a puberty like state with these basic principles.

Now add in the other principle of Chem PE and WOW. PGE-1, IGF-1, Relaxin, Potaba and Verapamil Creams and DSMO are core to the Flagship principle component of Penis Growth, DHT. But without the needed Androgen Receptors it has no effect. I postulate the world record holder got his 11 inches via HCG, because it up regulated is AR receptors via in increase in Leydig cells and increase output of testosterone. Its like a ratio of E to T has to be sufficient to counter the effects of the E, its E that seem to stem off masculinization effects at all levels of growth.

Kick off a puberty state in an adult? You think that might be a good thing?

Paradigm - thx for the welcome back! I’m gonna try out your pre fatigue method, post jelqing and or pumping it’s a bit painful.

Inuic - I’ve seen that theory as well about 5 alpha reductase inhibitors and then cycling dht.. It makes sense to me. I’m willing to experiment with it. I’ve already had a vasectomy so no worries about baby defects and I’m already (well pretty much) bald so no worries there. I had a full blood and hormone panel done last month and I’m as healthy as a 25 year old (I’ll be 45 Nov 5th) so I think I can handle this experiment. I just got my DHT today so I’ll use it for 4 weeks then cycle off and perhaps use Clomid to help me reboost any potential test production loss.

I wonder if opon waking..

I apply dht, wait til dry then apply just dmso and let sit for 20 mins. Then take a shower to wash off and warm up.

Do manual stretching for 5 mins then strap on the phallosan

Get home jelq, inject, apply dth, dmso/paba

When done wrap and call it a night.

Thanks guys for all the great feed back!

sorry inuic you confused me …..who can give us a plan with all these ?

so we take hcg , we apply dht and dmso , igf-1 , relaxin which of these ?

we apply and jelq ….give us a daily plan if you can because im a little lost !

this guy with hcg you say , he took only hcg or something else ?

Sorry guys, I wasn’t that descriptive. Its not really like being in puberty, its more like trying to simulate the conditions that existed for penis growth while in puberty. In puberty your testicles are not fully matured and hence are not kicking out estrogens\anti androgens. I wasn’t really outlining an actual plan per say more then outlining an actual theory and some key means to improve or enhance the theory or process. Its some basic principle and not a step by step plan being illustrated.

Its the idea that you can up and down regulate your androgen receptors. You first down regulate them, then they starve and upregulate with the DHT blockers usage and stoppage. This is a known theory, but how it can be enhanced and more closely simulate puberty like conditions is by kicking the anti estrogens during the up regulation cycle of the androgen receptors. As well as kick start the known up regulators for androgen receptors. So its really knowing what to do at what phase of the cycle you are in. Its kind of like body building cycles.

There is no known best cycle for this yet so its trial an error, but I am going with 3 months on DHT, which doesn’t turn to estrogen. Its testosterone that is in danger of being converted to estrogen. The after the 3 months its expected that DHT receptors will have down regulated although not sure how other then pure cell proliferation which ironically can down regulate androgen receptors. To kick start the up regulation you take the DHT blockers for a month, which further down regulates androgen receptors to a critical point that the tissue is starved for them, and you stop taking the DHT blockers. Now you enter the up regulation cycle for DHT receptors. This is the phase you can grow! You start doing your routines for PE or Chem PE. Jelqs, shots, stretches, pumps, what ever you do. HCG was used by the guy the hit the world record. This really kick starts your balls and the cells that produce testosterone. He took a huge load of it too, which I think for a time out paced the level of estrogens in his blood, hence enable a state more conducive to natural growth.

As for doses and when you do this or that, its up to you. I don’t have a means I can say works for everyone. I just know what worked for me, and what I will try. I get most of my info from studies, so I usually go with know protocols I have seen used. But startin_at_5 has a pretty good outline in my eyes for a good place to start! What you do depends but you can go with what has worked for others, I often do. I would of course add in water pumping. Its creams to break collagen, and PGE-1 to keep erect for 2 plus hours, with shots before during and after depending on your path for stuff like IGF-1, thymosin, bcp157, depends on what works for you. You can pre pge-1 then pump to go real hard, or just pump then do PGE-1 after to not go as hard on yourself. Then after the die down put on the phallosan and stretch. This is when I would add the DHT at times as well as the creams and DMSO. You gotta mix it up to not let the body get used to any specific process in my book. I am planning on getting a devo cup to use some times vs just the phallosan. Besides the tunica you have the septum and the fibrous ligaments that connect the inner walls of the tunica like anchors or tethers. You have to stretch these, and the creams to get that deep even with DMSO. So you need something doing the jobs of the creams that is safe to inject to break the inner collagen down. That for me is Relaxin via injection, to do the job of the creams from the inside out. My idea is to pre-inject relaxing prior to pge-1 and or during so that while expanded and placing pressure on the inner ligaments the relaxin can take effect at that level of the process. Anyway I can go on and on. But you should get the picture. You have to experiment and find what works for you as well as learn from the experience of others. I myself am still experimenting and don’t have all the answers, but I sure keep looking!

Inuic…

Excellent post and reply!

I too am looking to get a divo cup set up to alternate. I.had to order a new set of glans covers from phallosan since mine finnaly broke. I also belive in mixing things up. I would love to find a place that sells relaxin.. No clue though. Maybe a peptide place? 0.o