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Although you can injure yourself with the newbie moves, it is certainly a help that you’re doing the moves with your own two hands. When you need to release pressure, you can do so instantaneously. Many of the other methods do not allow this. Also, with regards to discoloration and lots of other kinds of “injuries” and PE related phenomena, you’re probably way better off easing yourself in than you are getting in way over your head.

Back when I started, I also (rebelliously) reacted against the newbie routine. Result? Injury (slight) by clamp. Next time I re-started (this time) I did 4 months of newbie and really learned A LOT about my dick and it’s various tendancies/responses. The newbie routine is great for informing you and developing a safe relationship between your whang and your PE. I HIGHLY reccomend it.


THEN: bpel 6.0 eg 5.0 bpfsl 6.125 NOW: bpel 7.375 eg 5.25 bpfsl 7.625

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Don’t get me wrong guys, I have done a pre newbie routine. I am now doing the newbie routine for the next three months.

What we are basically saying is the investment in knowledge and guys being over ambitious as regards hanging is the issue. But surely such guys are likely to be over ambitious with manual PE and cause injury.

The same is true in weights isn’t it? Guys who think they can come along and lift 25 kg no problem and injure themselves.

I’m just thinking the investment in reading and developing good hanging technique appears worth the consistent approach you can them take. Think of it like it is slower to start and understand hanging, but once established it is a cleaner and more scientific approach to gaining, which must ultimately lead to a better and safer way of gaining.

Anyway, I guess I’ll find out in the coming months and years.

I wouldn’t recommend anyone doesn’t start with the newbie routine, but what we are basically saying is this is the advice because of safety issues, not based on how best to approach PE using a sensible method.

Surely in an ideal world everyone would learn and develop the correct approach to hanging and start in that area? More scientific, produces length gains, controllable factors and consistency of load, angle, duration, etc? But I do agree, we don’t live in that sort of world or culture.


01/08/07: 5.75" BPEL, 5.25" EG ::: 26/05/10: 7.3" BPEL, 5.4" MSEG, [My Progress Pics] - [My Routine]

Revised Min Final Objective: [/b] 7.75" BPEL (33% increase), 5.5" MSEG

No that’s not all we are “basically saying”. Safety is one reason, learning to do PE correctly, so that you have the best chance of gaining and the least chance of wasting your time, is another.

Is it more scientific, or is it just accompanied by measurable numbers?

You seem like you would be the guy that was smart enough to learn how to hang correctly before jumping into things and hurting yourself. It does take a lot of effort and reading and studying while you are still doing the newbie routine would be my recommendation.


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Originally Posted by Ruz_
After all, returning to weight lifting, why are weights labelled in kg’s? If the approach was solely to go by feel, weights or even distances as regards running, cycling etc wouldn’t be mentioned would they? People should just go on feel alone?

These analogies to weight training are not valid. While hangers may worry about what weight they use, the point is not to hang large quantities. Weight-lifters, on the other hand, need a way to quantify strength. That’s why they should care about weight.

Physically, also, weight training and PE are very different. Building muscle is a natural, healthy process. What we do to our penises is not supposed to happen. Realize then that the body does not react to the two in the same way. That’s why the two are approached differently.

You’re over-thinking this. Sure, there is a science here, buried deep somewhere. But we don’t have the knowledge or means to fathom a good deal of that science. There is a lot we just don’t know, and even if we did know how are we going to measure some of these factors? Physiological characteristics, for instance, which are much more important than any of BiB’s superficial gauges, usually can’t be measured by hand.

Being esoteric, and just throwing out a bunch of acronyms and theories does not make this more scientific. It usually just confuses people. Just pull the damn thing!

EDIT: I’m not saying we shouldn’t strive for a better understanding of PE, just that we’re not to that level of understanding yet.


Then: 6.75" x 5" ----> Now: 8.5" x 5.75"

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Originally Posted by hbgreek
Just pull the damn thing!

Lmao.now that was funny!

Just a few reactions from me.

Hbgreek, you said:

While hangers may worry about what weight they use, the point is not to hang large quantities. Weight-lifters, on the other hand, need a way to quantify strength. That's why they should care about weight.

I think you miss the point with both. Both PE-ers and weight lifters want to use enough weight to achieve a goal, be that a stretch of ligament or tissue or to build a muscle. Weight lifting isn’t just about lifting as much weight as possible. There are different types of lift to even target the same muscle, there are issued of “form” in your lifting and so forth.

I generally understand your point that you clearly won’t use the volume of weight in PE as weights, but that isn’t the issue. For example, I couldn’t and wouldn’t concentric curl with amount of weight I would bench press, but my approach to the process remains the same to maximise my goals.

Physically, also, weight training and PE are very different. Building muscle is a natural, healthy process. What we do to our penises is not supposed to happen.

Again, this is entirely inaccurate. Building muscle is a response to putting the body under stress, the body doesn’t want to naturally build such a volume of muscle, that is why we ache or feel fatigue. Hence, we stress the body, ensure nutrition is correct and let it build itself stronger.

What we do with PE is the same, although not targeting a muscle. We stress the structures of the penis and let them rebuild bigger/wider, etc.

Where it gets interesting is in this area. If two guys followed identical weights routines, diets, etc, they would both gain a similar sort of shape over a similar sort of time, in general.

Yet in PE that maybe isn’t the case. Firstly we could say the ligament or spongy tissue has two reactions to stress. The first is to grow, the second to get stronger. So what anatomically separates a good gainer and a bad gainer may very well be how their body acts to repair itself (because there must be a ultimate point where you can PE no more).

However, scientifically there are little controls of the methods people use to PE. My point is the more scientific control and knowledge that can be used to control the approach, the better for PE. But I’m not saying discount what you feel, but controlling the barrier between fatigue (good for gains) and pain (over-training) is a thin line which is best out of the human hands and in a controlled setting.

PEing within scientific controls then allows better feedback, both for the PE-er and for the wider community in understanding what happens during and what is best for PE. Yes there is a lack of knowledge, but that isn’t helped by the manual approach, because it lacks the controls to provide understanding and consistency and accuracy.


01/08/07: 5.75" BPEL, 5.25" EG ::: 26/05/10: 7.3" BPEL, 5.4" MSEG, [My Progress Pics] - [My Routine]

Revised Min Final Objective: [/b] 7.75" BPEL (33% increase), 5.5" MSEG

Originally Posted by Ruz_
I think you miss the point with both. Both PE-ers and weight lifters want to use enough weight to achieve a goal, be that a stretch of ligament or tissue or to build a muscle. Weight lifting isn’t just about lifting as much weight as possible. There are different types of lift to even target the same muscle, there are issued of “form” in your lifting and so forth.


I never said the point of weight lifting is to lift as much as possible. I said weight lifters need to pay attention to weight because that is how they gauge their progress.

Originally Posted by Ruz_
Again, this is entirely inaccurate. Building muscle is a response to putting the body under stress, the body doesn’t want to naturally build such a volume of muscle, that is why we ache or feel fatigue. Hence, we stress the body, ensure nutrition is correct and let it build itself stronger.


So, since they are both responses to stress, they must be one and the same?

Of course not. While the body may resist building muscle, it is designed to do that. The penis is not. My point is that the two growth processes are completely different and therefore should not be treated the same. Additionally, the jury is still out on whether we’re really “building” our penises or just stretching it.

All right, I will agree that there is an ideal weight, angle, etc. to hang at. We do not, yet, have a way to exactly determine those ideal settings. But even if we could: big fucking deal, the effect will be marginal at best. Once again, PE is not formulaic. It is possible to get the same response from a hanging session using different angles, weights, all that. Why is that? It’s because the body does not work linearly. There is a limit to the fatigue one can inflict in a day, in which case the perfect routine could have the same effect as the sub-optimal.

Our bodies are not mechanical devices capable of fine-tuning. They are chaotic; they are natural. The body’s non-linearity is the same reason that the run-of-the-mill newbie routine could be just as effective as the perfect hanging routine. Go ahead, split hairs all you want. It probably won’t make a difference. That’s all I’m saying.


Then: 6.75" x 5" ----> Now: 8.5" x 5.75"

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