Why so little evidence supporting PE

I’m surprised you got a frenulum tear from a pump and that you didn’t feel it before it even happened.

So effectively you are hanging. Two months into a new PE regimen, hanging is an intense option. It sounds a lot like you’re falling into the more is more option, you are hanging but ignoring the safety aspect. Even if your attachment simply reduces the circulation a little and as far as you are concerned you are doing fine, you may realise a month or two down the line that you have damaged yourself, maybe numbness will be the first clue. There’s a reason hangers use 20 minute sessions with a period of circulation recovery in between sets. That protocol is sensible safety advice for anyone attaching anything to their dick that may restrict blood flow, even if only partially.

I understand that you are committed to this route but I have a feeling that you are not helping your chance for gains. If I were you, I’d dump the equipment, take a decon break and come back with manual exercises.

Cantlook, I don’t know if you’re being deliberately malicious to me or just being a little dim-witted. I never claimed PE was all fake. I was merely trying to show Bdogg85 the respect he deserves. Also, I’m not saying Bib is the only one who could legitimize PE. His proof would be a strong case, there is no denying that. Doublelongdaddy’s proof would also be a strong case. Anyone sporting a 10”+ unit could offer a strong case that PE works. If it should ever happen that I gain 2”+ taking me close to or beyond 10” then I will reveal my dick on this forum in the form of a video so no one can claim my dick was photoshopped, but if that video never appears then you should believe I failed in my PE attempts.

> If it should ever happen that I gain 2”+ taking me close to or beyond 10” then I will reveal my dick on this forum in the form of a video so no one can claim my dick was photoshopped,<

Yeah, except that’s already happened multiple times.

If you are going to pick on examples with outrageous or faked claims it just makes the discussion harder. Yes, there are clearly people who have claimed more than they got and there are other’s who’s fabricated evidence. That doesn’t actually detract from the real evidence.

It would be nice if everyone who gained posted clear and obvious pics. I didn’t take pics at the start, so I can’t. I’ll bet there are many people in that position. In the end though there are some people who have documented their gains well and posted pics in the Member Pics forum.

Mememto, I start off with manual exercises. I start off warming up with an infra-red lamp, then I wet jelq flaccid, then manual stretch at 6 and 9 o’clock. The jelqing and stretching lasts for 20 minutes. Then I use the lamp again and after another 15 minutes I start the traction at 12 o’clock, starting with about 2kg, then stepping up to 6kg. 3hrs today was the longest I stretched at this weight. Yesterday was only 1hr. My dick just felt really good today. After the 3hr stretch I edged for about 1/2 hr, my dick rock hard. I measured it bone-pressed while edging at 8.4” BPEL. The longest yet! Tomorrow I might not stretch as hard. I’m listening to my dick for tell tale signs, but stretching without moving is probably safer than semi-erect jelqing. My frenulum had to snap, I knew it would be an ongoing problem so I let it happen, for it would have taken too long to heal otherwise, and then I would face the same problem again in the future. Some guys are lucky in that they can retract their foreskin right back removing all creases without pulling too much on the glans. Because my glans is large I have not been so fortunate.

:) Interesting attitude on your frenulum.

I still think you are going in too hard. Yeah, you’re right going in too hard feels great, it really feels like you’re getting somewhere. The trouble is that you don’t. We start off with these pliable dicks that are easy to stretch but after some time we end up with dicks that are much more resistant. The reason for scaling up much more slowly than you are is to keep in that pliable state for longer and maximise the gains. Your method would be great if this were a pure engineering problem: force X time = gains. It’s, however not that simple, the penis reacts, adapts, strengthens. We need to be constantly disruptive in our PE, mix girth and length work and scale as slow as possible.

I actually think Bib makes a lot of sense. I’m still at the newbie stage, so I can make gains for the time being, but I’m not going to hit 10” unless I increase the stretching force over time. The problem is, neither the vacuum nor the glans can take strains above 7kg on their own. I need the shaft to share in the grip, but Bib’s hanger is out for me. I need to devise my own solution for further gains.

I’m not yet convinced that the dick does toughen up. This might be a misnomer. I share Bibs view that rest days are bad news unless the dick hurts too much. Guys using the bib hanger complain of numbness, so it might cause nerve injuries too. I’m aware that keeping an eye on the dorsal nerves is the most important thing, but so far no numbness for me at all, just a slight burning sensation under the glans sometimes, which I think is some ligament or collagen being overstretched. Not sure though. I can’t face traction at low forces for 1000s of hrs, and I’m not convinced the gains are more than paltry.

You can make an AFB hanger, it is the basic concept the Bib’ is built on and costs nothing.

At the end of the day, PE has to be discovered for ones self.

My personal view is that the ligaments and tunica strengthen relatively quickly and can ruin potential gains if one doesn’t go heavy for the first few hanging sets and then
Back off to ride fatigue set-by-set.

I may be wrong, and should be aiming ever higher in weight each week until I’m hanging 35-40 pounds each session.

Who knows.

Each of us seems to react slightly to things.

I’m being malicious.

Why? How is it any more impressive or persuasive than seeing the growth from 3” to a 5” penis?

10” units are rare, so even if there are no before pics it’s a more convincing claim to say it’s due to PE, but before and after of any size is good, provided there’s a good size difference, say 2” minimum.

I think I might be able to do manual stretches of over 15KG with both hands in a slow wet flaccid jelq, although it’s hard to be sure just how much stress you’re applying with the technique. I feel from having tried it that I could rip my dick off, but because I take 30 secs to slide down the whole shaft and then hold for 2 minutes, repeating this might be good shock treatment before a steady stretch with the vacuum at 6kg. I can avoid the nerve using an overhand pincer grip, stopping short of the glans ridge.

That is true. And some very few get hurt doing everything right. But the vast majority of >medium injuries are guys that decide to “invent” their own routine. Whether hands on, hanging, pumping, etc..

Everyone wants to make their own mistakes. I’m exactly the same, so I know it’s probably futile to tell you this, but I feel I should: you’d benefit greatly from listening to the people who have already been down that road.

I’ll also second Marinera’s suggestion for you. If you’re interested in hanging, look into the AFB type.

This is a huge assumption.

What if the only reason there is this newbie phase is because of this mentality? How many times to we read about guys getting small to modest gains initially and changing nothing? Not very often. Why? Because this mentality tells them they need to ramp it up in an effort to gain quicker and get the same modest to no result as those who did the same things before them.

I feel like a lot of guys (yourself included) crank up the intensity way too soon and way too high and I will second what memento said… it feels like you are getting somewhere, but you are not.

I came here realising this is not a sure thing… and by that I don’t mean that I don’t think it is possible, as I have an inch and three quarters to prove that to myself and partner (sorry, don’t have 2” for you yet) but I mean the PE community hasn’t figured out a sure fire way to maximise growth in a efficient/consistent way. However, we wont find a different result if we keep doing the same things over and over.

I know one can only expect so much though because at the end of the day PE is a very selfish endeavour and most want to gain for themselves and not take a chance to experiment.

Yes. All of it’s a hoax. Everything. I photoshopped all of my images. Oh no. The cat is out of the bag.

In all seriousness though. PE has worked for me. I’ve gone from above average to big. If you don’t want to believe the (fake?) evidence that’s out there, that’s completely your problem :) .

Krowax makes me happy, regardless of his liking of Halo. Has Krowax done pumping? The only reason I started is to get my base girth to equal out a good bit. My cock is slim at the base and widens out toward the tip.