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Originally Posted by quim92
I once went to a surgeon to ask about these stuff and he ensured that PE is just possible with surgery and just in the flaccid state, so functionally there is no way to increase your PSize he said. Then he showed me the budget and it was like I’d rather having a micropenis before giving a thief like you that much money.

Conclusion: I see everyone tries to ensure arguments according to their own economical benefit. But since a sexologist says it is possible and this


Yes, the other aspect I forgot about.
Even if natural PE is proven effective, the medical community has no interest in promoting it since it is not in their financial interest.
They make nothing telling you to just do jelks and stretches, or hang.
I have nothing against them making a living, and they are trained to perform surgeries, not advise men on how to jerk themselves.

I find totally unprofessional ensuring something that you haven’t proved. I will ask again to the sexologist who said it is possible to enlarge the penis with an extender about jelqing, he will surely say the only way is the extender and the only extender that they know it works is theirs..

Btw I know it is not related to this thread but I’d like to comment the following thing:

I have erections that really point up, like the P is not 90 when erect at all. The sexologist said if they cut my ligament the extender might work better since my ligament is pretty hard and consistent. Do you guys also have this kind of erections? What do you thing about it? Would it be more effective hanging for those that have this kind of erection due to hard ligaments?

I won’t follow any of the sexologist advice since I am just a newbie and I will stick to that routine for 3 months. I like chatting with him since I am interested and I known him so he does it for free. But I would like to know your opinion guys. Thanks

>My last conversation was with the Penimaster Pro company and also another one with Phallosan company. The second one say they have studies of an average gain of 2,8 in 6 month. <

This often comes up and it’s sales garbage. Yes, for example, a phallosan study exists and you can download it from their website. It appeared in a peer reviewed journal (I have not seen the issue in question). All this is true. The conclusions taken by the salespeople from this study are not. The study in question has a very small size. It’s interesting but it does not prove what they claim it does.

>The sexologist said if they cut my ligament the extender might work better since my ligament is pretty hard and consistent. <

We have had people who have had this surgery here before. Some even lost length. Any penis enlargement surgery is at best risky. Length surgery is probably less risky that girth surgery but if your outcome might be less length, what’s the point?


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“”This often comes up and it’s sales garbage. Yes, for example, a phallosan study exists and you can download it from their website. It appeared in a peer reviewed journal (I have not seen the issue in question). All this is true. The conclusions taken by the salespeople from this study are not. The study in question has a very small size. It’s interesting but it does not prove what they claim it does.”“

Why somebody would affirm that their studies report and average gain of 2,8 cm and a max gain of 4,6 cm in six month if it is not true ? Don’t say the same the actual study about the PE gains? Have you read it all?

You are right man:
Erection length from the study:
” The mean changed in the course of time from 12.30 cm to 13.40 cm and 14.10 cm. There was only a
Relatively slight change in the maximum (from 15.50 cm at the start of the study to 16.50 cm after 6
Months). In contrast, there was a significant change in the minimum value from 8.70 cm to 11.00 cm. ”

It seems that the biggest progress in length was for those with a smaller P. The mean just increased 1,8 cm.

Here’s the big secret about PE though: it’s fucking hard work.

[/QUOTE]that said it all for me. If it was easy everybody would have a 8,9,10 inch cock.

>Why somebody would affirm that their studies report and average gain of 2,8 cm and a max gain of 4,6 cm in six month if it is not true ? Don’t say the same the actual study about the PE gains? Have you read it all?<

Did you miss the sample size? It’s not proof it’s at best a case for more research. What it is though is perfect for a sales pitch.

>It seems that the biggest progress in length was for those with a smaller P. The mean just increased 1,8 cm.<

In PE we call these newbie gains and you can get them without shelling out a cent. You really don’t need to spend money and a manual routine is likely to be the best route to continued growth.

A cheap chinese extender from ebay with a replacement head from autoextender is as good as a phallosan but even that shouldn’t be the first stop in PE.


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Originally Posted by quim92
Why somebody would affirm that their studies report and average gain of 2,8 cm and a max gain of 4,6 cm in six month if it is not true ?


Because they are salespeople!!
I generally disregard anything somebody tells me if there is money involved. First and foremost - politicians.

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Originally Posted by plaidshirt
Here’s the big secret about PE though: it’s fucking hard work.

that said it all for me. If it was easy everybody would have a 8,9,10 inch cock.
[/QUOTE]Bit of fallacious logic. Not everyone working “fucking” hard is going to end up with an 8, 9, or 10 inch cock in any event, unless perhaps they start with a 7, 8, or 9 inch cock. Start out with 5” and end up with 10”? (Bet you won’t be posting any convincing photos.)

And still physiology varies: some guys don’t gain anything. Which, granted, doesn’t make it any easier.

Quite right Tom!

So good luck is good medicine and I wish it for you all!


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