Who to believe?

Hey guys haven’t posted in a long time. Just thought I’d share some of my thoughts on all this PE stuff. I have recently been going on doctors visits to run some test (general exams) I have a pretty good relationship with my doctor. He recently put me on medication that I have noticed has given me delayed ejaculation as well as weaker erections. To try and combat this I asked if he could prescribe something like viagra or cialis. Although I’d rather not get dependent on those meds. But I figure it’s worth a go for the meantime. I joked around saying not even my PE exercises are helping get hard erections. He practically laughed me under the table and said he did not want to see me get disappointed or worse hurt, pursuing something that is just a myth. He said PE exercises are useless and as he put it very wishful masterbation…Ouch. I like my doctor and he says it like it is, he is fairly young as well so it’s not like he would be an out of date stubborn Dr. Nevertheless, now I am very demoralized and keep thinking what if I am just setting myself up for disappoinment? Do you guys ever feel that way? Should I believe him or go against the odds?

Well enough with the venting. Here is a question that I had and hope you guys can help. Obviously PE pills don’t work (or so I think) How about penis extenders? Has anyone tried these devices and what were the results? I mean those things seem to basically do what we are trying to do here manually right? So in theory if PE exercises work, surely a device like that wouldn’t be so far fetched.

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Coming from a family with a reputaion of males with large equipment, my average 6” X 5” (on a good day) penis is very discouraging to say the least. Even my brothers last girlfriend once said, his equipment looked like a huge tree trunk. Geez talk about depressing. I certainly won’t hear those comments. I would love 8” X 6” and I just want to find the best way.

Thanks guys

Hey bro. Well I can tell you as well as the vast majority of members on this forum that PE has worked for me. There have been plenty of posts and threads trying to find a logical answer of why doctors consider PE as a fraud so I will not repeat them on here.

Anyways if you find the time and dedication to give some of this stuff a try for a reasonable amount of time I assure you are in for a big satisfaction and get hooked.

So the best advice I can give to you is to check and try the newbie routine, don’t over train and remember warm up is basic. I’m sure you would be angry in some time for not trying this stuff earlier and you will be on track of having your own tree trunk.

Good luck and you have pretty respectable goals and starting size by the way.

Yeah man when I first started I didn’t believe that this shit would work. Now I am hooked. I found this website and I just couldn’t believe how many members there were and how it was all free. I’ve seen numerous sites which sell these exercises and I just thought it was all bullshit. The best thing I can tell you to do is stick to a routine and when you feel you’ve made gains, go back and hit your doctor on the forehead with it.

Do you want to know why doctors say it does not work?

Think about it - if a doctor said “yes, PE works, it will make your penis bigger” then they are going to have to answer a BILLION questions, be pestered all the time by a ton of guys, have to take responsibility for any injuries, supply proof that it does work, etc. And then when he gets the one oddball who just cant make any gains, he calls the doctor a liar.

There is no scientific proof that PE works because there has been no scientific testing.

Doctors say that because they have to! They have no choice. It would make their life hell if they said it worked.

Who you going to listen too, the doctor who has nothing to gain at all from telling you that it works, and who probably has ZERO EXPERIENCE with PE, or the thousands of men who have tried it for themselves?

If I am a scientist and I do PE and keep meticulous records would that be considered scientific research? I’m not a scientist, but I do have a masters in science among other areas. Just curious.

I don’t think so. You would need to have a much larger test group size for the data to be valid.

And the problem is that everyone’s body is different, and so different things work for different people. It takes a certain amount of experimentation to find what works, so you would not be able to have a “standard” routine that they can all do.

Plus, who wants to play with some other dudes boner? Not me.

Cheers,
Whiskey

The fewer people that know, the better.

With the number of new members and lurkers that come here every day, it ain’t going to be long before it’s ‘out’ though!

Nah mate this site has been since 2001 already.

History has shown us that you can deform or destroy or enhance any part of your body if you are dedicated and committed enough to doing it. I think the doctor is speaking about average guys who won’t be so committed so therefore on average PE doesn’t work.

Also, even if we have good intentions, a scientific evaluation would have to be structured in a way that would eliminate biases. Like it or not, we’re all routing for it to get bigger. We’re going to be biased. That said, that or the fact that doctors say it doesn’t work doesn’t mean much. There are lots of reasons to doubt experts. They’re probably right, in their field of expertise, more often than non-experts, but if we had a nickel for every time an expert was wrong we’d all be able to retire. Why do you think malpractice insurance is so expensive?

By nature, I’m a skeptic, so keep that in mind as you consider anything I say here!

First rule: Be skeptical about everything (even.especially what an expert tells you).

Second rule: Be VERY skeptical about ANYTHING that comes to you via the Internet (including this!).

Third rule: Think for yourself!

Fourth rule: Be rational and logical. “In God we trust; all others bring data.”

Fifth rule: Don’t be afraid to try.

I’m still skeptical about how well PE is going to work. I dismissed all the emails and Internet hype for a long time before I came across Thunder’s Place. After reading the comments from so many guys here that believe they’ve seen significant results with the techniques we talk about (and no one here trying to sell anything) I had to admit there there may be something to PE. The fact that a doctor says it won’t work is just not very compelling to me. There are simply too many reasons to question their judgment concerning PE.

So what do you do? Try an experiment; find out for yourself whether there’s anything to PE. The newbie routine is simple enough and, let’s say two months, is not a huge commitment to try to get some answers that you can trust.your answers.

My answers: In two months I’ve, conservatively, increased length by 1/4”. I find this interesting, but maybe this is just the equipment adjusting to a new environment. I still need to see more results before I’ll let go of my skepticism. I’m measuring an EG increase of 1”. I’m doing the measurements myself and even I don’t believe this. So I look at this and ask how could this be. Maybe I measured incorrectly in the beginning (unlikely, but possible). For now, I remain skeptical, but the results, my results, are interesting to say the least. They’re interesting enough for me to continue my experiment.

Listen to everyone. Even if they’re mostly wrong, part of what they tell you may be mostly right. Think of how cool it would be if PE works even modestly. Set up your own experiment and go for it. There’s really not much to lose and an awful lot to gain.

You’ve been PE’ing for two months and you’ve seen an increase in girth of 1”, or approximately 2,5 cm ? How the ***** can you remain skeptic, or did you mean to say 0.1”?

Doctors don’t subscribe to PE because:

1.) They weren’t “taught” about it in medical school.
2.) Its not “approved” by the FDA.
3.) Its not in an expensive “pill” sold by any of the pharmaceutical companies and pushed by their “suits” (sales reps).
4.) They never took the time to research the topic.

No, 1 inch is the correct value.

Let me ask this. If I’d said my length had increased by 3 inches after two months of PE, would you have believed it? Why not? Because it’s highly unlikely. Guys work years not months for a 3 inch gain. From what I’ve read here at Thunder’s girth is many times a difficult thing to increase. And even if that’s not true, I don’t see many people claiming a 1 inch increase in girth in two months. Being a skeptic, at least for me, means being skeptical about myself (maybe especially myself) as well. I’m not saying that I didn’t increase my girth by 1 inch in two months, but that seems like a big change in a very short time. Whatever the case, I’m really happy about it. :-)

I don’t think this site would be there for already 7years if it wouldn’t work.. And if you gain yourself you are really pessimistic..
But it’s your choice.. I just started but I believe it will work.. There are loads of doctors who say it works..

Bye!